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Originally posted by undoakhenaten is not moses. akhe worshipped the disk. this is not what moses was on about. sun and son, are two entirely different words in egyptian. the spelling is different, the hierglyphs are different and the phonetic sounds are different. sun of god and son of god, are not the same thing in the original language. it's only in english that they sound related and are spelled similarly
In the Turin Canon catalogue of kings of the thirteenth dynasty, listed number 17, is "The General," with the throne name of Semenkhkare. (Gardiner's "Egypt of the Pharaohs", page 440; and Weigall's "History of the Pharaohs", pages 136, 151-152.) The Egyptian word for "the General" was Mermeshoi. Not in all dynastic history does this title appear again as the personal name of a ruler of Egypt. This General was Moses as will be demonstrated by a comparison with contemporary history. Two beautiful large granite statues of Mermeshoi -- the General -- have been found in the Delta at Tanis.
When Moses was made General or Commander of the Troops, he automatically inherited royal authority, as did Joseph before him. Only KINGS could have the supreme command of the army. That explains his appearance in this list. Before the rise to power of this famous General, the thirteenth dynasty was of Asiatic blood. Its kings at times bore the epithet "the Asiatic." There was consequently no basic prejudice in adopting the Hebrew child Moses into the family. (See Volume II, chapter II of the revised "Cambridge Ancient History", 1962)
The sixteenth king listed in the Turin Canon -- just before "the General" -- was Userkare Khendjer -- the latter being an un-Egyptian personal name. He ruled over the Delta as well as Upper Egypt. A pyramid of his has been found at South Saqqara. No descendant of his is known to have succeeded to the throne. Though nothing more is known of this man's family, every evidence points to him as the Pharaoh whose daughter is mentioned in the book of Exodus. Within a few years the influence of this dynasty in the eastern Delta ceased.
The kings of this period often have their names associated with King Neferkare on royal seals. This name is that of Pepi the Great. Here is the final proof that these rulers of Dynasty XIII were contemporary with the last great Pharaoh of the sixth dynasty of Memphis! More than one name on a scarab has puzzled many historians, who view Egypt as ruled generally by only one king at a time. But literally hundreds of such seals have been found. They are generally treated with discreet silence, for the implication of these seals would revolutionize the history of Egypt! (See "The Sceptre of Egypt", by William C. Hayes, Volume I, page 342.)
About 40 years after the reign of the General, Egypt collapsed. With the reign of the 25th king of the dynasty, nearly all contemporary evidence ceases. Foreigners invade the country. This period is summarized by Sir Alan Gardiner by the dismal words: "... darkness descends upon the historical scene, leaving discernible in the twilight little beyond royal names ..." (page 155 of "Egypt of the Pharaohs").
No internal dates for this dynasty are now available. But the history of this and preceding dynasties of Thebes can be restored Take the evidence of Barbarus, which gives the dynasty, while centered in the Delta, 153 years. Place this date in the 41st year before the collapse of Egypt in 1486. The 41st year before 1486 brings us to 1527. (This is when Moses is nearly 40 years old during the war with Ethiopia. When Moses is forty, in 1526 he flees Egypt.) The beginning of the dynasty was then 153 years before this, or in 1680. There were only two dynasties of Thebes before this time -- the eleventh and the twelfth. Dynasty XI ruled 143 years; the famous Dynasty XII for 212 calendar years. Add these figures up and one reaches 2035 -- the reign of Shem!
Now the story of Shem is clear. Shem came into Egypt to divide the country up into various kingships, in order to prevent the rise to power of one unified kingdom over the entire world.
But Shem did more than found a new kingship at Thebes -- he also established a kingship at Heracleopolis, south of Memphis. Manetho's Dynasty IX -- the first of two dynasties to be established in Heracleopolis -- ruled 409 years. It is exactly 409 years from 2035 to 1626, the date at which Dynasty VI of Memphis began.
The historians' fiction of an Old and a Middle Kingdom -- under Memphis, and then Thebes -- is completely demolished by these facts of history. It is, rather, the story of the kings of Memphis in Lower Egypt and the kings of Thebes in Upper Egypt ruling in a great confederacy.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
I have some curiosities that mabey you all can clarify for me.
First, I have studies the Bible endlessly, I do not feel that it is all what we think it is, a literal book of facts that pertained to the Hebrews/Jews.
When studying the Egyptian history, I find some interesting things. First, I read that circumcision started with the Egyptian Pharaohs. Second, I read that Amun-Ra was once carried in a box/Ark by the Egyptians.
Now let me ask some what ifs.
What if-Abraham was not Isaacs father. What if the long ages in the Bible were added so we dont associate the Hebrew history with the Egyptian history. What if, when Abraham and Sarah were in Egypt, and they lied to the Pharaoh about Sarah not being the wife of Abraham...what if Sarah got pregnant by the Pharaoh. What if Sarah, was carrying the bloodline of the Egyptian rule. What if this is the reason, even though the Pharaoh was mad at them for this lie, he still sends them away with many gifts. What if the secret of the Hebrews was that they were shunned out of Egypt and they tried to take the God out of Egypt. What if the whole reason God did go with Sarah and Abraham was because the baby that was due for the next inheritance was the baby of the Pharaoh. What if this is why we see a people that have now no land and who are not a nation....trying to become one and trying to say they have 'rights' to a particular land all because they considered themselves special enough to rightfully kill masses of people to take their land in Gods name.
Could there be a deeper Egyptian tie going on in the Old Testament that people are over looking?
Is there more to the name....Is-Ra-El?
Some say, Israel means Ra is God.
[edit on 4-10-2008 by LeoVirgo]
[edit on 4-10-2008 by LeoVirgo]
Originally posted by undo
as far as abrahamic faiths being the sole proprietors of war, wow you don't know your history. here's a few clues:
how did the grecian empire become an empire?
how did the pagan roman empire become an empire?
have you ever read the mahabharata?
do you know the history of china?
how about japan?
what about the history of the vikings?
hello? earth to person who is claiming he needs evidence before believing something, did you forget to read the rest of history?
Originally posted by undothis is repeatedly the task of the hebrews. deliver human DNA to the advent of christ. that was their only task.
Originally posted by undo
well my theory on this is, we aren't even from this planet. that eden was somewhere else in the universe. that this planet was owned by a race of bipedal serpent beings, who were later called the seraphim. they are a race, created by God, who became angels. i think the one we refer to as the serpent in the Garden, brought us here as slaves, and that the lie, was teaching us their knowledge of civilization.
Originally posted by undo
if you follow the cookie crumb trail, you can see it's all over the place. heck there are even egyptian texts that support my theory, such as the