Originally posted by ThatDGgirl
...What ARE the hallmarks of a "disinfo" agent?
I've listed it elsewhere, but I will list it here also.
Listed below are the signs that you are dealing with a disinfo agent or a paid shill. The difference between the two, roughly, is that a "disinfo
agent" is generally seen as being with some governmental agency, or subcontracted by a governmental agency. A "paid shill" is someone who works
for a public or private company that has no real connection to the government.
You will find "disinfo agents" mostly on threads that deal with government conspiracies, UFOs, false flags, "protest" threads, anti-government
threads, etc. You will find a "paid shill" mostly on threads dealing with corporate conspiracies (oil price fixing, for example), mainstream media
threads, threads about the economy (shills from banks, finance firms mostly), and various other threads like that. Paid shills are most common in any
thread that is critical of those of jewish decent. Actually, I should say they are most common in the political threads having to do with the
elections, but that is only at election time.
1) They will jump right in and immediately engage your emotions. They will turn the conversation from a logical discussion to one that hinges on
emotions. If someone ("pro conspiracy") brings up a point for which there is no logical answer, they will often immediately attack or ridicule that
poster, so as to detract your attention from that post.
2) They will often "refute" an argument with either a "straw-man" argument, or an "argument ad absurdo" (taking an argument to absurd
extremes). This by itself is not necessarily an indication of a disinfo agent/paid shill, because people do this also. However, when combined with
the other listings here, it adds evidence that you are, in fact, dealing with one.
3) You will see lots and lots of #1, and #2, then, if someone brings out something that is almost irrefutable, they will suddenly disappear, without
the usual "Ok, your mind will not change"/"It's obvious we aren't going to agree here", etc. They do this in hopes that the thread will die
down, and no one will read it.
4) They will argue over and over and over on things like governmental conspiracy, 9/11 ESPECIALLY, and state how you are absurd for believing such
things, how no one who isn't crazy believes such things, etc., but will not bother to step foot into such things as the "holes in the poles to the
center of the earth" threads, nor in the "the earth if flat" type threads. In other words, they will NOT be seen "debunking" stuff that even us
"kooks" look at and go "WTF?!". This is a great indicator, because the type of personality that has a strong desire to correct what they view as
"misinformation" will not hesitate to venture into those threads. There is a good possibility that if you see them posting a lot in those type of
threads, that they are NOT a disinfo agent.
5) This one I have only seen in the last couple of weeks. I'm not sure if this is a definite sign of a disinfo agent yet, as I do not have enough
examples to come to a conclusion; however, I notice it cropping up more and more, and WHERE it is cropping up is suspicious (see #4). They will say
"Oh, you are wrong, here is the link" and the link will have either have NOTHING to do with the subject matter, or will say the exact OPPOSITE of
what they claim it says. If it happens once, it can be just a mistake. When it happens several times, it is on purpose, and you have to ask yourself
what purpose it is attempting to serve. (Here's a hint... it is my guess that they believe most people do not follow links within a thread.)
6) When a legitimate question or point is posted, they will not address it.
They will attempt to explain away EVERYTHING. Very seldom will
you see "Good point", or "I don't know", or "It does seem that way, doesn't it?" from them on a thread. When that question/point is brought
up, they will attempt to use tactics #1 or #2 above, and if that doesn't work, they will try and get the thread locked. If all else fails, they will
A great strategy to find out if #6 is applicable (ESPECIALLY if you have very strong evidence, or an exceptionally accurate point) is to repeat your
question/point again. They will try and work around it. If you repeat it a third time, and they still aren't addressing it, it is almost conclusive
you are dealing with a disinfo agent/paid shill. The key, though, is to be able to discern someone who legitimately has a difference of opinion, and
thinks that they HAVE addressed your question/point, and one is avoiding addressing it. Sometimes this is difficult at first, but gets easier with
That's why you will sometimes read a post, and someone immediately goes "You are a disinfo agent/paid shill", and you are going "WTF?!". They
have become very good at spotting them. And sometimes the accusing person is just too paranoid.
7) They overload the thread with tons of statistics and links, but with evidence that is only tangentially related to the topic at hand. Attorneys
have a name for this, though this escapes me at the moment. They overwhelm you with tons of links so that you do not have time to respond. This
results in it looking like you have no direct answer for them, or that you are afraid to answer their questions. They will also often say things like
"Why didn't you answer? It must be because you know my proof is correct", yet when you check the timestamps, the time between the two will be
8) A paid shill/disinfo agent will post at certain times of the day/night. Very rarely will they post at other times. In other words, they are all
hot to trot and engage you from 8 to 5, 3 to 11, or some other range (those are just examples, seldom will you see it as clear as those hours), but
then all of the sudden, when they were posting within minutes of your posts, they will quit posting until the next day.
9) They overwhelm the thread with postings that are ALMOST outside of the topic range, or with postings that attempt to change the topic. They will
often tag-team with someone else, so that it looks like there are 2 or 3 people, so that it seems as if other (other than disinfo agents/paid shills)
people are voicing their opinions/facts. Almost always will they agree with each other. Or, they will agree, then go on to state more "evidence".
In #9 above, you could have several people that actually like the debate, or are defending a certain point. How do you tell the two apart? The
disinfo agents/shills will lead you off topic, or post replies that are ALMOST off topic. People that are passionate about a point will usually stick
10) You very rarely see them agree with someone who is "pro kooky theory". Even if you absolutely irrefutable proof, they will ignore that post,
and act as if it was never brought up. When pointed to it, they will either ignore that post too, or say they "missed it, and will get back with you
on it", but they never do.
11) (Rarely tried, but sometimes these crop up). They will post things that are blatantly illegal/immoral, and say the equivalent of "Who's with
me?". Sometimes, even if they do not come right out and say it, they will allude to doing something highly illegal. You will see this most often in
assassination threads, revolution threads, and sometimes they crop up in threads having to do with owning/carrying guns. When you read something that
makes you go (or someone else responds with) "Wow. I bet the secret service would be interested in THAT post.", there is about a 99% certainty is
was posted by a paid disinfo agent. What they are doing is seeing if they can entrap (not in the legal definition, but the average sense) someone
into "conspiring" with them. Most often, they will see who agrees with them (maybe not directly, but alludes to agreeing with them) and will follow
it up with U2Us or e-mails.
12) They will claim you are anti-"something" (anti-semetic, racist, liberal, conservative, etc.) when you make a point or state a fact that is
uncomfortable or which they cannot directly refute. You will see this alot when you keep posting the point, and ask for an answer/refutation of your
main point/question. When you point out how it is logically impossible for you to be whatever it is they claim, they will continue on in this vein,
and call you a liar, etc. (Remember? ANYTHING to get you off topic!).
As an example, I have been called "racist" in quit a few threads on another forum. When I point out that I was in a mixed-race marriage, and that
my son is of mixed heritage, that fact was outright denied, was glossed over with "but....", or conveniently ignored, while the "racist" labeling
continued. This is mostly paid shills. Disinfo agents hardly use this tactic.
13) They will have the "yes, but..." syndrome. You make a good and valid point, and they will go "yes, but..." and their refutation will have
absolutely nothing to do with your argument or point. Sometimes, this is done by people who merely are bad at debates, and sometimes it is done by
people who put information together differently than you. People who have long been into conspiracy theories can often put together two things that
someone who hasn't been into it as long, or as deep, cannot. They will say "Well, obviously X and Y are related, as Z shows", but they leave out
parts A,B, and C which show how X,Y, and Z fit together. You see this in real life too, when you deal with experts in their field. They will say
"Oh, I forgot to tell you X? I forgot, I just do it automatically". We've all had this experience.
14) Will jump right in on very controversial topics, while avoiding the more mundane ones. I don't mean seldom post in them, I mean almost NEVER
post in them.