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Chavez says crisis-hit U.S. needs new constitution

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posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 10:01 AM
reply to post by tdogg1

Dont be an ignorant fool.

The U.S. has been a spawning grounds for racism for a long time. Im not racist myself but I see how the country is.

Did you know that Abraham Lincoln was devising a plan to send all African Americans back to Africa?

Did you know that before black slaves were here slaves were white... except their housing was typically somewhere in the community and not on a plantation. (You wont hear that in the textbooks)- nobody wants the U.S. public to know that if we didn't have the slaves it would have been the lower class)

The U.S. Constitution stands for something that is great, but it has to be updated. Racism is the biggest problem in the U.S.

Mexicans illegally cross the border (it is estimated to be about 1 million a year, not only do they smuggle in drugs, but have the potential to smuggle in terrorists, weapons etc. Mexicans have the right to enjoy freedom but imagine Millions upon Millions of workers who aren't spending their money in the U.S. they are spending it in Mexico. Dont forget the Iraq War where we have spent A couple Trillion to rebuild their country, this is money that isn't coming back. Money that could have helped settle the national debt. (Right now it is almost 10 Trillion) That would cost every American in the country to pay about $32,500 a piece to pay off. If you estimate the amount of money that has been spent on the war and the money illegal immigrants take home not to mention the 1 Trillion that the Nation Spends on Welfare... you are looking at maybe 3 Trillion in the National Debt THAT IS LEFT TO BE PAID! and that could itself be paid by the taxpayers... 10,000 A piece ( much better than the current 32,500). This country is not interested in helping itself out. It is clear there is another Agenda. Chavez is not mocking the U.S. Constitution he is mocking the fact that the U.S. Government has other plans for America and Americans... Americans wont do anything about it however... because the are afriad and cant...EVERYTHING IS RELATED

If you affect the mood of the people you affect the mood of the nation,
If you affect the amount of welath there is you set a mood
if you decrese the amount of money you set a mood
If you cater to a specific type of person it sets a mood by the lack of energy going to the other types of peoples.
If you create a war in vain it sets a mood in Americans that all war is not neccessary. You would create a feeling of negative feelings for war... even more so.

The U.S. is carefully planning something out. The fact that there hasn't been mass deaths and mass catastrophes is a good sign. But the fact that turmoil is spreading, russia is becoming active and china is becoming active (the largest populations on the planet- minus India) It almost seems like Operation population control is about to take effect.

Back to racism.

Black Entertainment Channel?
NAACP? Advancement for colored peoples? They cant do it on their own they have to form a nagging board of directors?
African American? Why cant they be SNIPPING Americans? Too proud? Ignorant Maybe?

All the negative energy isn't because of true racism, the only thing that makes me racist is when I see a black man with a gun robbing a store because the sorry ass drug addict needs to grow up... then I see black entertainment channels supporting the idea that black men have to be rude cocky douchebags touting guns, and its no wonder the generation of black males coming up with not much motivation looks to the TV for inspiration. Its very disgusting. and as I said TODD who just created an ATS account. Im not racist I have a lot of black friends, racism is hating a group of people for lack of a good reason, just haiting them for predjudice... I assure you, when a group of people want to behaive like heathens, they give me and others a reason to detest them. I live in the south, drugs, sex, gangs is very prominant here amongst Mexicans and African Amerians... thats their choice, its not happening by White Americans... When it does its because of the lowest of the low of incomed families turn to violence to feed their families.

The U.S. constitution would need to address that Its ok to bare arms for protection of self, to kill varmints and people who would like to harm your family, but not to kill other people because they called you something you didn't like. Oh Hey freedom of speech...? You have the right to speak your mind about anything (but back then people were more positive and actually beleive in others and their families) so today it means I can say whatever the heck I want wether it be negative, racist or terroristic because the constitution says so. people are ignorant, just like others abuse the name of God, they abuse the name of freedom, "i am free to do what I want, free to steal, free to cheat, free to say what I want" its all hogwash. The negative country is wreaking havoc upon itself and the world. Something has to be done or America will wipe itself off of the map. - To quote a misquote that the U.S. turned on a country who they are obviously planning war with next.

The only decent people left in America are the ones reamining silent trying to survive, some of the Churches people (a majority are 2-faced hypocrits) and the true Americans... Indians... and they are dying off on their reserves. I left a lot of people out. But There is no need in explanation ... any true American knows our country is going to hell in a hand basket and there arent very many good people left due to the media, greed, permiscuous (sp..?) sex, and everything else that is fun for the moment and wreaks huge consequences. (kinda like the one man who dropped off what was it 7 kids at a hospital?)

America is no longer America, and Americans are too afraid to take their own country back.

[edit on 29-9-2008 by rjmelter]

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 11:21 AM
reply to post by rjmelter

it is estimated to be about 1 million a year, not only do they smuggle in drugs, but have the potential to smuggle in terrorists, weapons etc. Mexicans have the right to enjoy freedom but imagine Millions upon Millions of workers who aren't spending their money in the U.S. they are spending it in Mexico.

Any race has the potential to smuggle drugs, terrorist, weapons, etc...Hell, Colombians even have their own submarines.

They do spend their money here. Many of them buy cars...They eat here...many pay bills cause they rent...they buy clothes...etc..

I could see you talking about the South Border not being secured but you would have to recall that the Canadian border is longer and even less secure. Could this be based on the grounds of racism you speak of?

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 11:27 AM
reply to post by jam321

No it is based on current political concern speaking about racism... Most canadians are of causcasion decent, Mexicans are of spanish decent... (hence white people are more racist against mexicans) I was discussing the Mexican Border where people are being caught smuggling drugs which can only be grown in areas that are warm unlike that of Canada... the drugs are another negative destructive force in America... that I left out... Do not underestimate my meaning Jam, try to contribute like you were trying when you mentioned canada, no need to stir up the pot with Racism.

I hope that helped clarify.

Edit to add... Drugs of Marijuana namely if you you would like to debate on the drugs could come from Canada... THEY COULD come from Canada, but mexico mass produces it. Also Drugs are one of the biggest job forces in the country.

The world is the problem, not just the U.S.

One of the biggest problems the U.S. has is trying to play hero in other contries when we should be concerned more about here at home.

[edit on 29-9-2008 by rjmelter]

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 11:38 AM
reply to post by rjmelter

Appreciate you clarifying that. And I agree with you that we have issues here that have been pressing for a long time and election after election we hear promises but once elected no results. To get attention away from our needs they focus on foreign affairs. And I think the Constitution should also be updated, the problem is who do you trust for it to be updated? Everybody seems to interpret it a different way.

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 11:44 AM
I agree with the posters that say Capitalism isn't responsible for the econmic crisis, but niether was Communism responsible for the excess of Stalin and Mao.

No system is any better than the people who administer them or the people who tolerate them.

All Communism basically means is community--what people add on the that is something else.

Capitalism IS responsible for holding back the progress of the entire species of woman, by working so hard to hold back 80% of them to the benefit of 20% of them.

People who talk about capitalism are two types--those who has studied and know what it does in the world and those who don't anything about it but the money part.

Capitalism is more a spiritual and metaphysical movement than it is an economical/political one.

How else to explain why a Nation with not even twenty people, is swooped down on and interfered with by Capitalism if it tries to do something for it's poor? Even to the point of causing civil wars?

People who knows about Capitalism knows what it does, and they are not against it just because people get rich.

People talk about the "underdeveloped world" and don't have a inkling of what they are speaking of.

We never found out until decades later that the French not only instigated the genocide in Rwanda, their soldiers participated in the slaughter. And of course if the cowardly French was involved you can be sure the rest of the Western world wasn't far behind.

That's the philosophy of Capitalism in a microism and always had been.

Nobody talks about the role that the inability of Capitalism to steal from the rest of the world plays in this economic crisis. They have been kicked out of every watering hole they ever guzzled at, Nations are all taking
control of their resources, so how can a parasitic system like Capitalism possibly maintain their markets with those kinds of losses?

It can't and the rich and powerful knows it. That why all the foul birds(so to speak) are fleeing to China.
Socialism was always going to win out in the end because nobody is really against it and everybody understands the need for it.

Whoever don't agree with me can answer this:

Are you against Social security, free housing for military personal, pensions, grade school education,
highways, and all the myraid of other things that we get and use without paying as we go?

You are either against every last one of them or you are a Communist/socialist.

I bet not a single person who talk so big against Socialism, will refuse that check when they get old, or that cheese 2 months after they lose every nickle to the coming crash.

Don't nobody have any money. We have paper and numbers in a computer.

All we really have is eachother and our ability to get along and deal together so that we can survive.

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 11:50 AM
reply to post by jam321

That is the best question of all

I have done a lot of research and its kinda like an oxymoron... the anwser is in research

If we reasearch the best ways to ensure society stays together and intact, using psychology, history, past experiences and advice from all the senate and congress you would come up with a pretty fair assessment of what would need to be concluded in a working document to help control the country for the collective good of our society (not everyone wants to do the right or good thing tho)...

Another huge problem is that if we were to do so we would come up with a result that would need to make all contries similar, that in essence would create a one world Government... the NWO. That would be a problem for a lot of people lol. So if you think about it there is no winning.

The reason all countries would need to participate is if you actually use people as the medium to wrap around rules... people are inherently good. Kids love laugh and smile but are corrupted with greed and all that because it is the opposite force... And why other countries need to participate again is there cant be war, racism, disagreeance and all of that. Being an ex part of the U.S. Air Force and past american citizen and present again... Im not racist to color, Im racist to greed, money adulters, corruption and lies... I like every color of person, Unfortunately the Mass Media Propels certain populations against each other which creates some overwhelming problems.

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 11:55 AM
Chavez is an idiot... The reason our country is having problems is because our government didn't follow our constitution.. If they did we wouldn't be having this conversation and trust me when I say our founding fathers had more brain cells in their butt cheeks than Chavez does in his family tree.

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 12:08 PM
Yes, the U.S needs a new constitution that prevents private organizations to be in control of their money for example. Chavez is against the private corporations running the countries and that's what he is trying to say.

Anyway, if what Jordan Maxwell and others say is true, than the U.S constitution is the biggest threat to freedom ever. They show how the English language was used to deceive everyone into believing they were free when in fact the constitution said Americans were just a product of a corporation named "The United States" without any God given rights. Can't remember correctly but I think you loose all your rights when you get a social security number and become a part of that corporation.

Anyway, I think America at least needs a President and a Prime Minister. The prime minister would be Bush and the president would be someone else that was just there to ensure every new law was constitutional. I have that in my country and it works pretty well.

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 12:14 PM
reply to post by rjmelter

Unfortunately the Mass Media Propels certain populations against each other which creates some overwhelming problems.

government doesn't lag far behind.

Research would be a good way to update constitution especially identifying the issues that split us up the most and how we could come to some sort of agreement on those issue. About making it a one world I am not too hot on that idea but I could see why you would suggest it.

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 12:16 PM
reply to post by jam321
Jam321,They did for both reasons,don't let yourself be fooled into thinking that either of those new oversight comittes will do anything all those guys who will be on it will be Wall Street's biggest supporters from both parties.

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 12:23 PM
reply to post by mike dangerously

I agree with you Mike. Just seems that the same faces are always being recycled to different boards and this is no different. Once this has calmed down and America's short time memory has taken its place,it will be back to business as usual.

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 12:37 PM
The U.S. Constitution has survived countless times for over 2 centuries even in hard economic times with multiple recessions and depression, even the Great Depression. A new constitution doesn't do anything as long as America still believes in free enterprise.

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 02:21 PM
I had always heard negative things of Chavez...but the man has a respectable quote here...Let liberty rise from the ashes...Its true that this country has gone to **** fight there. I think everyone is so fed up with the way our "leaders" are doing us- that a new constitution should be formed FROM THE PEOPLE- not our so called "leaderes". There is no experienced or intelligent person "leading" us...just ignorant.

We trusted these people, they've done us wrong. It was only a matter of time before our laws were stripped away from us. Look at the police force today...aka the Gestapo. This nation won't last long if it continues to be led into the flames by our leaders.

America is losing its credit as the greatest country on the planet. Its sad but we can rebuild it, better this time. We've accomplished so much, been through so much history...we can't give it all up because of what our "leaders" say...I'm a firm believer in reform...This country needs to be reformatted- we can start by clearing out everyone curently in a government position. Clearly we have criminals within different branches. Surely, I'm not the only fed up American here.

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 03:24 PM

Originally posted by rjmelter
reply to post by tdogg1

All the negative energy isn't because of true racism, the only thing that makes me racist is when I see a black man with a gun robbing a store

[edit on 29-9-2008 by rjmelter]

How do you feel when you see a "white" man stealing trillions of dollars from everybody?"

Do that get you all tingly racist at "White" people?

You're a racist. You are just too dumb to know it which makes you harmless.

Carry on old sport.

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 04:21 PM
reply to post by jam321
Sad but true,the attention span of most of the public is so short they don't know anything.

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 05:23 PM
I'm sure Hugo Chavez has a very good idea of what he thinks a Constitution ought to look like...

Article 1, Section 1:

I am the boss of you.

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 07:25 PM
reply to post by 44soulslayer

As Alexander Hamilton put it, "the practice of parsing out two senators per
state shocks too much the ideas of justice and every human feeling." And he said that when the ratio between the most populous state and the least was near 10-to-1, not the obscene 69-to-1 that it is now.

We have put up with the patented absurdities of an unrepresentative Senate and the Electoral College for far too long. A constitution is only a plan of government. There is nothing sacred about it.

The legitimacy of the constitution, ought to derive solely from its utility as an instrument of democratic government -- nothing more, nothing less.

At the very least, before we attempt to export democracy to the cradle of
civilization, we should begin talking about the real deficiencies in our

No one still wears white wigs and satin breeches, and no reason exists for
us to continue to govern ourselves with an 18th-century document. Other
countries with people no more capable than us have recently written new
constitutions: Denmark in 1953, the Dutch in 1972 and 1983, and Portugal and Sweden in 1976. What stops us?

Excerpts from modern constitutions:


No one shall require prior permission to publish thoughts or opinions
through the press, without prejudice to the responsibility of every person
under the law.

No one shall be required to submit thoughts or opinions for prior approval
in order to disseminate them by means other than those mentioned in the
preceding paragraphs, without prejudice to the responsibility of every
person under the law. The holding of performances open to persons younger than sixteen years of age may be regulated by Act of Parliament in order to protect good morals.

Adopted in 1983


Everyone has the right to express and make known his or her thoughts freely by words, images, or any other means, and also the right to inform, obtain information, and be informed without hindrance or discrimination.

The exercise of these rights may not be prevented or restricted by any type or form of censorship.

Adopted in 1976


Any person shall be entitled to publish his thoughts in printing, in
writing, and in speech, provided that he may be held answerable in a court
of justice. Censorship and other preventive measures shall never again be

The citizens shall without previous permission be entitled to assemble
unarmed. The police shall be entitled to be present at public meetings.
Open-air meetings may be prohibited when it is feared that they may
constitute a danger to the public peace.

Adopted in 1953

[edit on 29-9-2008 by ofhumandescent]

posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 08:09 PM
Say what you want to about the USA most of it is true. However, if it was not for the USA sticking its nose in every countries business, your life as well as many others, would be worthless. People like "Chavez" would decide when you eat, if you get educated, live or die.

If it was not for the USA you may not even be posting today...

Originally posted by cbass

Say what you want about this guy but he hits the nail on the head sometimes doesn't he. I wish more Americans would listen to what he is saying but everyone thinks he is a nutter so he will not have any credibility in the U.S.

There is no more United States of America. That country is dead now folks. You are living in a lie. The U.S. has collapsed and died. I'm am truly sorry.
(visit the link for the full news article)

posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 12:44 AM
I believe I can speak for the Vast Majority of Americans when I state that there is NOTHING wrong with our Constitution. We debate day in and day out over differing interpretations of Constitutional elements, and how best to adhere to those interpretations. However, the one issue which is never brought up amongst American Citizens is the value of the Constitution and what it represents. We base our entire lives, including values, and beliefs upon the United States Constitution and what it represents. Whether you are a Liberal, or a Conservative, a Democrat, an Independent, or Republican, a Strict Constructionist or a Loose Constructionist, the one belief which we all hold sacred and dear is that Document known as the United States Constitution.

posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 11:25 PM

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