Aiken County deputy fired, arrested *Video*

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
We need to wake up and acknowledge the problem so it we can at least start to fix it.

Well spoken LoneGunMan.

Unless we acknowledge a problem it's going to continue to grow.

Shame on those here who are too wrapped up in defending the thugs to see the light. When a cop overreacts there is a reason behind his behavior. This is not about showing underwear - you are distracting yourselves from the bigger picture.

You cannot even say that they were in a bad part of town. It just happened to be a neighborhood in which the demographics are different. Does this imply automatically that it is the hood?

oops, that was wierd, posted in wrong thread.

[edit on 9/26/2008 by DYepes]

Who cares if his underwear is showing...honestly - what does it matter?
If the weather was good always, I may be inclined to walk around the way God made me...in my birthday suit.

Anyone able to see this and lighten up a bit and not take life so serious?
If someones underwear showing is the biggest problem then we are doing pretty good in the world. - oh, its not...I forgot, Putin in the gang are showing their nukes and invading countries...(America included in invasions)...they arent showing their underwear, so it must be o.k.

If I was a cop, I would be tired too if I was acting as the fashion police.


Life aint all that serious...lighten up and it can be fun.
You cant change anyone by yelling at them...and then the cop told the dude to look in his face and attacks him when he does? Come on, that is ridiculous.

Peace

dAlen

p.s.
When I was but a little kid...pre 'gangsta' era...surfers used to wear their pants loose with their boxers showing before the so called 'gang' look came in. (What makes it a gang look? How can they own one particular style.)

p.s.s.
Put that video up in the N.W.O. section.
I have told them all along you have to have I.D. with you.
(Many people declaring they will never get a required national I.D....and already are required to cary one...the drivers license or state I.D. - as said before, a cop asked me for my I.D. years back, and I did not have it, and he said I was supposed to...nothing happened, but it was interesting to say the least to be told this...this was years before all of this worry about some required national I.D.)

Here in Hungary it seems a bit more obvious as you know your supposed to carry some form of I.D. with you. Your like a dog in a cage. You walk out of your house to stroll in nature, which happens to be beside our house as we are on the edge of the city, and you still have to have I.D.

I have a passport, a large passport size permanent residence card (which should replace the passport in the country, but appears not to), a drivers license if you drive, tons of different kind of required car papers if driving, living card...(sounds funky, but its a translation, point is it has your address...as the drivers license does not), etc.

How is that for you...and all you have to carry is a drivers license.
Again, we are all dogs in cages, and that card (or cards in my case) is the ticket to walk out of the jail cell for awhile.

[edit on 26-9-2008 by dAlen]

Its funny how every protector of the Cop in this situation comes up with the excuse that he is reacting the way he because the NORMAL day to day issues that this cop has to deal with involves the "same type of people". A copy can't just go about his day thinking "well, I remember a time that three black youths are cruising the neighborhood and in this situation the three black youths killed a fellow police officer" or whatever scenario you want to come up with. This particular cop should use his intuition, common sense, etc. whatever you think is the correct term to deal with these "hoodlums". Being a cop is a difficult job but at the same time you need to weed the good from the bad sometimes with common sense. Just because you had to deal with a similar situation means that all situations will be the same. I don't hire my police man to just get all the "bad guys" who look alike but I do expect them to be able to be able to THINK.

The poster who went into "you have no idea" unless you have been there. Well, lucky for me I have been on both sides whether you call it the hood or the suburbs. I live in one of the biggest cities in California and have seen one the "baddest" hoods there are. I don't pretend to agree that what the hood says is right but I do know the legalities of illegal search and sezure..........I do know the "basic rights of all people"..........I do know that even if you follow directions the "cops mind is made up" and you will be arrested, doesn't happen all the time but there are plenty of false arrest law suites going on in the courts right now..........but, who will let you know this??? You got it right...............NOONE

The ghetto has been the worst it has been in a long time. I would argue that as long as the Economy is doing great, the gang problem isn't that bad. During the Clinton years in the White House there seemed to be a great calm in "the ghetto". As soon as Bush Jr arrived on the seen and STOLE the election, oversaw 911 issues, etc. he has become Power Hungry and has spent our Country so deep in debt that its almost laughable because its so unbelievable. If our economy wasn't in such a deep world of hurt these GHETTO issues wouldn't be as prevalent as they are right now.

Living in the ghetto creates what they call STREET SMARTS. I would much rather have "these people" on the front lines shooting the hell out of anyone who was invading our country, including our own Gov., than someone who will just "allow themselves to be handcuffed and put in jail".

The Government, which includes the Cops, need to understand that THEY SERVE US, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

[edit on 26-9-2008 by hoochymama]

Originally posted by hoochymama
The ghetto has been the worst it has been in a long time. I would argue that as long as the Economy is doing great, the gang problem isn't that bad.

That gives a whole new meaning to "whining americans"

What happened to being responsible citizens no matter the financial climate. Is that like, too much to ask?

Gang problem not that bad eh? I think that is related more directly with local policies/issues than Federal matters. I know I am young, but here in Tampa, FL , the gang problems were horrible buring the 90's, and not nearly as bad today. I was 11 years old when I started hanging out with my older brothers schoolmates (they were only in the 7th grade). Their older siblings were part of the Folk Nation, and seeing as we all rolled together, it was common for us to scrap with anyone that threw our signs down. The basketball courts were their marketplace for Marijuana, coc aine, and occasionally rocks. They were only in 7th grade and I was 11?! This would have been considered a bad neighborhood at the time, but was not section 8 or subsidized neighborhood. It was a middle-low working class neighborhood.

I only hung out with them though. At that time the Latin Kings were falling from their peak due to what I later found out with my teen years of associating with them (imagine that, I rolled with folks as a child, and then kings as a teen, they never knew) was a result of informants for the police helping them arrest and indict many of the leaders.

Thanks goodness I had the sense to never officially join any of these gangs. And by the time Bush was in office, I was regularly associating with three different gangs. I never threw signs anymore, it was not that serious in town anymore by the time as far as I can tell Bush was in office and I was becoming more aware of the world. I am now completely anti crime and gang, and it probably took suffering the consequences of it to come to that mindset.

I know its way different in the bigger cities, where colors can literally get you killed. That is why a lot of Northern families move to this city apparantley, considering the testimonials I here from friends that moved here from places like Chicago, New York, Philly, New Jersey, and California.

But frankly, I feel a lot of people have an incorrect mindset of what is considered the 'hood' and what type it may be by just observing random citizens walking in their own streets. I live in a respectable community today, and youth walk in groups dressed in the same attire. You can see kids walking down the street like that in nearly every neighborhood in this city, and hundreds of other cities and towns no doubt.

If you actually read my post, that is exactly what I was saying. During Clinton's years the gang problem wasn't that bad. Trust me, I am no Clinton fan. It was just a good time as far as economics is concerned.

Now, the gang problem is becoming what it was back in the early to late eighties. Not that bad but it is moving towards that. I live in a big California city and the only reason it hasn't gotten just like the eighties is that the State through the Government has hired double the cops it had in the eighties to "keep a lid on things".

To Stevees point. Look, I know you just itch to respond to a post of mine just to find some little minute point to start an argument but come on. My post was pretty long and thats all you could find?? You took a statement from my post, and I quote "The ghetto has been the worst it has been in a long time. I would argue that as long as the Economy is doing great, the gang problem isn't that bad." and our great response has to do with Whining Americans??? What does that have to do with the social economic problem with the way our economy is going to the problem with Gangs??? If there are more jobs available than the gang problem goes down.......if houses are worth more in the hood than gang problems go down...........if the average salary of a house hold goes up but prices stay steady than gang problems go down..........etc. As soon as the economic crap hits the fan than what do you think happens??? Yep, you got it right, the gang problems go UP.........but, as long as the police force is doubled in that time than you won't see a dramatic up swing as you normally would see...thank 911 for that!!!!

Originally posted by hoochymama
As soon as the economic crap hits the fan than what do you think happens??? Yep, you got it right, the gang problems go UP.........but, as long as the police force is doubled in that time than you won't see a dramatic up swing as you normally would see...thank 911 for that!!!!

We must blame the economy!

We must blame the NWO!

Watch more police state youtube videos!!!

Anything but acknowledge personal accountability, personal responsibility. Gangs owe their entire existance to neglecting those values.

See now, I agree with that personal responsibility thing. Coming from that background, I saw alot of gang members who had hard working, well-off families. They obviosuly were not rich, but nobody was suffering from hunger, or wearing outdated clothes. The parents probably were not even abusive many times (but many were).

IMO, it is a direct result of the media targetting the most susceptible demographic with psychological attacks which most people know nearly nothing about. They put up thse images of criminals, gang bangers, drug dealers, pimps, thieves, traffickers what have you, and they glorify these individuals!

They show them prospering! they show them buying their every desire and protection. They glorify corruption, crime, and immorality and target people utilizing subversive sublimminal and nerological attacks which have had billions in research put in to work. The average American knows nothing about the stuff that has had billions of dollars to support the attack on their minds.

You do not see gangbangers riding through the neighborhood jamming out Toby Mac or Jewel. They are jamming out young jeezy and jay-z and rick ross glorifying their coc aine and crack hustle game. They have G-Unit or Plies talking about riding up on their enemies and blastin them. This stuff is crap. it is nothing but corruption.

But that does not mean that this innocent kid and his friends who were just walking down the street in their neighborhood minding their business deserve to be burtalized and have their rights violated. Because as far as anyone can tell, they were not involved with criminal activity, and there is no reason to believe they are at all.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
These thugs drive by the station and shoot at the Firefighters personal vehicle and the station itself trying to kill some Firefighters!

If this happens, I deplore it! But I would never make the mistake to generalize such an evil.

Please unless you are in the real world. and have dealt with inner-city thugs please do not defend them, because you have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

For your info I lived in the inner city of chicago, and one of your heartless thugs took the time to tell me to stay in my home one night because there was a gang war going on. Please stop generalizing so ignorantly. You are only exposing your depth when you make such mistakes.

90 percent of these thugs are raised to take advantage of every situation,

These sound like the words of a bigot.

In most of these hoods the Fire Dept. has to be escorted by the police so they dont try and kill the medics for there drug box.

In most? Rhetoric.

They dont care that you are trying to do the right thing in life...they see that as a weakness instead of the strength of character it represents.

Even though what you say has a chance to be true, the fact that your so certain still makes you a bigot. IMO,

Go this weekend to the biggest city near you and hang out in the hood all night. Then go to the poorest trailer park and if you survive the "hood" tell me the difference. We need to wake up and acknowledge the problem so it we can at least start to fix it.

Even though I realize I risk my very first warning in the three years I've been a part of this great board, I must say that you're an idiot.

AAC

[edit on 26-9-2008 by AnAbsoluteCreation]

reply to post by SteveR


I could argue, and debate with you, but it seems that you and the officer are just as ignorant as each other. You are just as mindless as him if you honestly believe half the crap you have written. You really believe the cop wasn't wrong? If you watched that video, and said to yourself, hmmm, what a fine job that cop did, then your deaf, blind, and dumb, and there is no saving you. I won't waste my time. And if you don't like this post, then don't call me out next time. Check the motto, DENY IGNORANCE!! Not embrace it!!!!!

reply to post by schism85


Oh how justified the anger. How fragile the beholder. Cry havoc! and let slip the dogs of war!

reply to post by SteveR


You know your wrong. You are just looking to argue. Say all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the kid was hit wrongfully. You know you are sticking up for some biggot cop right? You know what that makes you bud?? I hope it happens to you one day, then you can cry on here about how wrong you were treated, and how your rights were trampled. And I can come on here, and call you a biggot, and say you deserved it. How would that be?? Untill then, keep lying to yourself. We all know that cop was way out of line. Get real.

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The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

reply to post by SteveR


Yeah yeah. Whatever. Lame.

reply to post by schism85


To mourn a mischief that is past and gone is the next way to draw new mischief on.



Still waiting for you to represent your position without the whining and sniping. 'Till then it means nothing to me. I am a patient man.

reply to post by SteveR


I think you already know my position. Iam not sniping you at all. I am simply stating what I think about your comments left for others. I already said what I wanted to say to you. You know exactly where I stand on this. Like I said before in my other post, there no saving someone like you. LOL Sniping you. Give me a break.

reply to post by schism85


I don't know your position. You haven't articulated anything worthwhile, other than you are angered. Give me something to consider.

reply to post by SteveR


I'm not angered, just annoyed. I think the cop was an idiot, jackass. Thats my position. I don't think that needs much explanation. If you want to argue, then give ME something to argue about. I know your wrong, and I think you do too. So anything we argue about would be pointless. So if you want to argue pointlessly, then ok. The ball has been in your court for about a week already, and I have been waiting for anything to come out of you worth discussing. And no luck. Too bad.


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[edit on 1-10-2008 by schism85]