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Topic started on 11-9-2008 @ 10:19 PM by cognoscente

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So Kim Jong-Il is apparently sick. What if he is already dead? He might possibly have a body double.

Now all of this is an already wide spread alternative theory in its own right. Assuming that he had in fact passed away, it could be rationalized that his death was not made public knowledge because it would stir up the country. It would just be such an inopportune time for him to die. I'm certain North Korean leadership close to him would not be pleased at the notion of a regime change, especially in such a politically turbulent time. They can't wager having a new leader appointed, especially if he or she is incapable of exercising the truculence and artifice, against the international powers and world at large, in which Jong-Il is so proficient. Also, whatever Jong-Il is cooking up, in terms of advancing his country's nuclear power agenda, may be limited to the closest members of his cabinet. They would not like to see a new leader come in and wipe away their plans. Jong-Il has said that he does not believe his son(s)? are qualified enough to take over leadership of the country after his death. That likely means a new president will take over from the Communist party. If in fact his son is "appointed" this could be indicative of Jong-Il's untimely (actual) death and expose this whole cover up involving body doubles, Jong-Il's (the fake one's) declining health and multiple strokes. It would be his closest members of cabinet that decide to appoint this son, whom Jong-Il is convinced would not make a good leader, as president, and only them.

Assuming Jong-Il is dead; this body double is now slowly being made to appear to be dying, so as to make his death seem natural.

Was Kim Jong-Il killed?

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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 10:25 PM by Alora

Total speculation on my part, but he seems to be the type of man who would want his death to be a big dramatic spiritual musical (Team America, anyone?) event, soon to be a national holiday.

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 10:26 PM by cognoscente

I added some to my post above. What do you think?

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 10:30 PM by Cuhail

As I understand it, KJIl's son is even worse than the father. On that note, it may be the NK Government preparing for a change of leadership from KJIl to his son OR they realize what the son would be like and are preparing for a change of policy to bypass the son.

...hmmmm. Gonna look into the son and get some dirt...brb

Cuhail

{EDIT} Well, from Wiki there's this: Kim Jong-woon, but, it doesn't tell much.

Kim Jong-woon aka Kim Jong-woong (born 1983 or 1984) is the supposed third son of Kim Jong-il with his late partner Ko Young-hee. He is reportedly known as the "Morning Star King", probably under the instruction of his mother.

Kim Jong-il's former chef, Kenji Fujimoto, revealed details of Kim Jong-woon, stating that he is favoured to be his father's successor. Fujimoto also claimed that Jong-woon is favoured by his father over his elder brother, Jong-chul, reasoning that Jong-chul is too feminine in terms of his character, while Jong-woon is "exactly like his father".

That's all folks. The whole article.

Let's see...what else....

GlobalSecurity.org came up with a short article as well. Both have mentioned this former chef's book.
Kim Jong-woong - Leadership Succession

Writing under his pen name, Kenji Fujimoto, a Japanese sushi chef who worked for Kim Jong-il for 13 years wrote a best-selling memoir, "I Was Kim Jong Il's Cook." Specialists following North Korea characterize Fujimoto's accounts as being credible. According to one account, "Fujimoto said, Kim would often bemoan that Kim Jong Chul, his 23-year old son, would never rule because he had turned out to be "like a girl." Fujimoto said Kim doted on his youngest son -- Kim Jong Woon, 18, who looks like the North Korean leader." According to one rumor, Koh Yong Hee had ordered the Workers Party and high officials to call Jong-Woon the "Morning Star King".

I am seeing nothing to back up what I heard about his son being worse than him. I, at this time, retract my above assessment until further notice.

C

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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 10:30 PM by Hellmutt

Maybe he missed that parade because he might have been afraid of a possible assassination attempt perhaps? Just an idea. Maybe he's not dead, and maybe he's not even il? ... erh, I meant "ill".

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 10:33 PM by Alora

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I think your ideas make perfect sense and it isn't beyond belief by any stretch that this would actually happen.

I would think that there would be a plan for his death, put into motion even before he died (knowing the end was near), but perhaps the ploy is needed to actually execute the plan?

Hmm- good ideas anyhow.