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Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
There's far to many tragedys, deaths etc, on this planet for there to be a real God. If there was a supreme being do you really think he would have sat idly by and let all those people die in the trade centre towers? Would he refuse to intervene in the madness that is taking place in Iraq and Afghanistan? Would he really turn a deaf ear to all those people sitting at the bedsides of their dieing relatives, sons, daughters, mothers, fathers etc,who pray for help?
Go to the nearest cancer hos[ital, to the childrens ward, look at the horror and the despair and then start asking yourself whether there's a god.
And please don't reply by saying that god works in mysterious ways because I dont buy that explanation. With all the disease, death, disasters, starvation and madness that is staking place here on earth at the moment, if there is a god then he should be put on trial for neglect. . !
Christian prayer will be answered as long as it is not a selfish and materialistic request as this will go against the teaching of God throughout the Bible.
1) can i have a great job and earn lots of money lord ( not going to happen)
2) could i have a job where i can have more of an impact for you Lord (will happen)
This is why prayer requests fail. We all send them from at sometime or another. however if they are not for the right reasons they will fail
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Here this is not saying ask and it is given it is stating that we are not to worry for the things we have need for will be provided for anyway.
we should ask for a strengthened faith so that we can trust God fully.
Does God really exist, or is he just an imaginary friend for immature, insecure adults?
That would have been a better question...
June 19 2005
Characteristics of adults who use prayer as an alternative therapy.
[PURPOSE: To describe the demographics, health-related and preventive-health behaviors, health status, and health care charges of adults who do and do not pray for health. DESIGN: Cross-sectional survey with 1-year follow-up. SETTING: A Minnesota health plan. SUBJECTS: A stratified random sample of 5107 members age 40 and over with analysis based on 4404 survey respondents (86%). MEASURES: Survey data included health risks, health practices, use of preventive health services, satisfaction with care, and use of alternative therapies. Health care charges were obtained from administrative data.
RESULTS: Overall, 47.2% of study subjects reported that they pray for health, and 90.3% of these believed prayer improved their health. After adjustment for demographics, those who pray had significantly less smoking and alcohol use and more preventive care visits, influenza immunizations, vegetable intake, satisfaction with care, and social support and were more likely to have a regular primary care provider. Rates of functional impairment, depressive symptoms, chronic diseases, and total health care charges were not related to prayer CONCLUSIONS: Those who pray had more favorable health-related behaviors, preventive service use, and satisfaction with care. Discussion of prayer could help guide customization of clinical care. Research that examines the effect of prayer on health status should adjust for variables related both to use of prayer and to health status.
Originally posted by MrAndy
But if your child was in so much pain and suffering or dying, and you had the power and ability to stop it, what good parent would sit by and not help them?
Originally posted by Venit
Excuse me, but just because i'm secular, why does that make me a moron? I think you could have made that post without insulting those whose beliefs differ from your own.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by mhc_70
All that study suggests to me is those people that prayed in a clinical setting had an increased interest in preventative care. It kinda goes without saying though, as that is why those people were praying to begin with. That study doesn't support much along the lines of validating divinity.
Originally posted by mhc_70
I am not trying to validate Divinity, I am showing examples of answered prayer.
Originally posted by MrAndy
Well, OK, you could say that. But why would God still allow them to suffer and not end their pain immediately?
Originally posted by jon1
What does surprise me about this thread is that the people with the most to say are not even christians, this means that they don't pray in the first place.