Does God Really Answer Prayers, Or Is It Just Wishful Thinking???, page 1

First off, the greatest anime character of all time is Vampire Hunter D. Ok now that we covered that, we can talk God. (Whos name is Jeff by the way. Don't know if you knew that, just an interesting tidbit.)

If you're a true Christian then you know that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Thats what that means. If an Ancient, or a Muslim, or a Pagan, got his or her prayers answered it's because they were answered by the Christian God *Jeff* or, even worse, and probably more likely, they were decieved by the Christian Satan.

Prayers. Yes, prayers work. If you're a Christian, and you pray for something suspiciously abstract, or at the very least, you leave enough ambiguity for Jeff to be "mysterious" with his approach, then they are answered.

Here is an informational YouTube clip addressing your thread topic. Warning *is a product of Satan*

Why god won't heal amputees?


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reply to post by RFBurns

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A true Christian is a Christian who believes himself (his faith) to be True, and the people of other faiths to be False.

I infered this definition simply by talking to a monsterous amount of Christians, Mormons, Catholics, etc.. They all claimed the same thing!... they were the Right ones!

Thus, a 'true Christian' is one that believes they are exclusively correct. And if you argue that one of those groups isn't the right one, that's probably because you are a true Christian

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reply to post by AlexG141989

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its all one's perspective.... a christian or a follower of any of the 5 major organized religions will see their (concept of ) 'God', answering their prayers, petitions, and unspoken longings.

Others, myself included, find that 'Lady Luck', or even the archaic 'Fates' have the same likely hood of happening in our lives, as those minor miracles believed to have been brought about by intentional prayer.


thanks,

Originally posted by AlexG141989
(Yes, another God thread lol. I make this one because I've been in other God discussions at other boards. I asked two theists this question, and both have completely ignored the questions

Hi alexG, first off yes most of your questions in your last thread were either completely ignored or answered by changing the subject or throwing the discussion off topic and down the road of secular reasoning.

Perhaps you could return to your last jesusgod discussion and try to find out why after quite few pages of posts the questions have nor been answered.

I have no doubt that this thread will be led a merry little dance of circular reasoning, escpecially since we are dealing with the completely unprovable.

This link -
www.youtube.com...

Is in my opinion a brilliant video asking christians some very important question, unfortuantely I've yet to meet a christian with enough courage of their convictions, to STUDY and THINK about it for more than a few seconds, before exclaiming childishly. "It's satan trying to tempt us ".


I look forward to the usual christian posters, turning this thread into a mess of bible verses which are completely meaningless unprovable, and completely banal never being able to back up their beliefs in the real world.


I 've said it before and I'll sat it again, I dont give a flying monkeys what christians choose to belive as long as they keep it to themselves.

However they still insist that the world that my children are growing up into should be governed by their moral standards and their delude thinking.


I would ask Alex G , if you havent considered the above video and considered it's discussion of prayer, please do so and respectfully ask christians to do likewise in order to get some sensible discussion going, without unprovable hearsay once more.

reply to post by moocowman

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Ok, Christian poster here. Not a earthly clue really, my earlier post a bit more tongue in cheeck than it should have been, but hat I meant by it was, it was either God or a coincidence, and you can't prove either way.
The character from Jim Butcher's Dresden files Michael Carpenter has a pretty good statment, basically, you don't know wether it was God helping you out or not, but I like to thank him for it anyway, more polite that way.
I'm afraid that's the best you'll get. I could try for more detail, but I'm pretty sure I'd run out of room.

reply to post by moocowman

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Did you see the video I already posted? It's from the same people

reply to post by RuneSpider

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Thank you for you honest response,RuneSpiser.

Given the fact that god is alledged to answer prayers in but three ways ie

Yes

NO

Later


Is not fair to say that it makes no difference whether an individual prays to allah jehova or a hamster, their prayer is allways answered making their belief system the right one ?

If I'm floating in the sea surrounded by hungry sharks, I could pray to the jesusgod to save me from being eaten alive so that I could return to my family. I as a christian would know that the jesusgod will of course be aware that the jesus god answers my prayer in one of three ways.

He would immediatelty stop the sharks eating me

He would allow the sharks to eat me

He may do nothing immediately and make me wait

After six hours in the water with the sharks getting closer I'm down to two possiblites in relation to the answer to my prayer.

Throughout this miserable experience how reassured have I been knowing the Jesusgod answers all prayers?

If we take this scenarion to the next level ie life, how is reassuerd is an individual expected to be when he could live a lifetime of misery waiting for the answer yes but then it could be no.

I personnaly know a christian suffering mental torture because of this catch22 prayer position, it would appear given his situation that I show more compassion for him than the jesus god who dictates his life.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

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Hi Lucid Lunacy ,
yup I have seen that vid, you ever tried getting a christian to think about it (let alone watch it all the way through) ?

More often than not the conversation normally collapses into

"god moves in mysterious ways"

"its not for me to know gods will"

"the amputee has not enough faith"

"god wants the amputee to be an amputee it's part of the plan"


"I'll ask my preacher/ pastor/ priest "

"satan makes amputees"


I recently joined pal talk, got on a christian board with some people who it seemed spent every waking moment, memorising every passage of the bible.
I claimed that I'd recently been saved and had read in my bible that that what ever I asked jesus for I would receive.

Everyone in the chatroom agreed that what jesus said was true , so I asked why my amputated hand had not grown back.

The discussion went down silly street and there was on christian even claiming that there have been incidents of miraculous regrowth of limbs through prayer. Needless to say when pressed on this the response was allways cant remember where I read it but it's true .

Eventually I got banned from this chat room because I said the word hell, out of context apparently .

The lesson ?

Keep your children far far away from christianity, it seems to be more confused than Michael Jackson, and damages for a lifetime.

reply to post by moocowman

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One thing the fundies, and a remarkably large number of the religiouse population, tend to forget is a simplle phrase: God helps those who help themselves.
It's a good phrase. If you succed, it's becasue of God, if you fail, it's your fault. (possibly the devil helped, don't think that guy gets credit much where it's due anymore, he just has to sit back these days and let folks do his work for him.)
Fundies drive menuts, they drive most normal Christians nuts to. It's impossible to try to debate anything with them. Asked one about limestone layers, and sediemtns one time. Apparently, they are miracles of God.
If anything, God may get the ball rolling. Now, at the same time it could be praying will give someone the mental boost they need.

reply to post by heliosprime

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PS heliosprime

have you taken the time to study the videos that Lucidlucy and I have posted?

Can you give us your christian view on the video discussion as we would appreciate your take on this.

If you choose not to bother, would you be courteous anough to let us know why you would not want to see the discussion from another perspective ?

reply to post by St Udio

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I'm getting the feeling that ther's not going to be much christian response to this discussion.

Perhaps it's because the gospel instruction on prayer seems to run contradictory to what the christians say they apply in real life situations.

At the end of the day, if my god was jesus then I should logically take what he says about prayers as truth.

So I'll have to go and look up all that jesus is alledged to have said about the manner of prayer and what to expect etc.

Unless of course a christian (or any other religious person) could save me the trouble and post this info for me to study.

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