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Originally posted by TheBandit795
They are not living in some alternate universe. Or are they?
Originally posted by dariousg
reply to post by TheBandit795
To be honest with you it is because we live in America. Not the America where our leaders actually fought for the right of ALL voices to be heard but an America where big money tells us what we need to hear. Period. We do not live in a 'free' country like many try to convince themselves and others of. We live in an elaborately controlled system. These people know full well that the easiest way to control how people think (vote) is to expose them to what they want them to vote against or for in various lights.
It's the farce that this country has become. I would say that less than 10% of our voices are actually heard. That's the top 10% of the money in this country.
That's why these others do not get nearly as much exposure. They stand for the old America where the government needs to be held accountable for their actions and where corporations can't pay off politicians.
The delegates to Philadelphia wanted a stronger central power that would (a) resolve problems among the thirteen states regarding trade and duties, (b) protect overseas commercial and diplomatic interests, (c) effectively propagate the financial and commercial interests of th affluent class, and (d) defend the very wealthy from the competing claims of other classes within the society. It was (c) and (d) that are usually ignored or denied by most historians.
Most troublesome to the framers of the Constitution was the insurgent spirit evidenced among the people. IN 1787 George Washington wrote to a former comrade-in-arms, "There are combustibles in every state, to which spark might set fire." Much needed was a constitution " to contain the threat of the people rather than to embrace their participation and their competence,"
lest "the anarchy of the property less would give way to despotism." Even plutocrats like Governor Morris, who shortly before the Constitutional Convention had opposed strong federation, now realized that an alliance with conservatives from other stats would be a safeguard if radicals should capture the state government. So Morris "gave up 'state rights' for 'nationalism' without hesitation." The delegates newly found devotion to nation building did not posses them as sudden inspiration. As their private communications show, they came upon it as a practical response to pressing material conditions, born of a common propertied class interest.
The framers were if the opinion that democracy (rule by the common people) was "the worst of all political evils," as Elbridge Gerry put it. For Edmund Randolph , the country's problems were caused by "the turbulence and follies of democracy." Roger Sherman concurred, "The people should have as little to do as may be about the Government." According to Alexander Hamilton, "All communities divide themselves into the few and the many. The first are the rich and the wellborn, the other the mass of the people.... The people are turbulent and changing, they seldom judge or determine right." He recommended a strong centralized state power to "check the imprudence of democracy." And George Washington, the presiding officer at the Philadelphia Convention urged the delegates not to produce a document merely to "please the people"
Originally posted by leaderof theTFHbrigade
What would you guys suggest?