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NEWS: Janet Beechcraft crash near Area 51

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posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 09:27 AM
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posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 10:08 AM
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My heartfelt sympathies go out to the families of the victims, I know the Raytheon contract personnel along with the others that were onboard will be sorely missed by family, friends and co-workers.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 10:29 AM
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Well, at least now they're admitting there's a base out there at Groom. Since Area 51 was established the military denied it's existence.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 11:50 AM
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there are some apparent fixes going on right now, investigations are driven to their limits so as to determine if the plane crashed due to mechanical problems.
there might be...to some extent, new vigilante missions? "crazy americanz can alveyz bee trrasted" to do stupid things, and therefore this probably wasn't...just an accident (area51 wouldn't want any1 flying over them..or even remotely by them now would they)
admittedly...that's way too insensitive of me, however..i apologize, just stating an oppinion.
Cordially
Cyrus



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by mrmulder
Well, at least now they're admitting there's a base out there at Groom. Since Area 51 was established the military denied it's existence.


They have never denied the existance of the Groom Lake Facility.

It's on the aircharts.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by COOL HAND

Originally posted by mrmulder
Well, at least now they're admitting there's a base out there at Groom. Since Area 51 was established the military denied it's existence.


They have never denied the existance of the Groom Lake Facility.

It's on the aircharts.


Whatever COOL HAND. I'd like to see your proof of that. Here's mine by the way.

For years, the government wouldn't even admit the base existed.

Full article right here www.klas-tv.com...

[Edited on 18-3-2004 by mrmulder]



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 12:00 PM
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they do not deny it's existance anymore



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by Zion Mainframe
they do not deny it's existance anymore


Exaclty, that's what I'm trying to point out to COOL HAND. Ever since the workers at Area 51 started dying from an unknown disease the families went to court to demand answers. That's when the government and military finally revealed the existence of the base.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 12:03 PM
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I do not have the ability to scan an airchart for you, so I am looking to see if I can get one off the web. They have always shown the area as restricted airspace, with a marker where the runway is.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 12:11 PM
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I've seen the aircharts since Area 51 was created and the military covered that up and then denied it. Why don't you take a look at this link.



[Edited on 18-3-2004 by mrmulder]

[Edited on 18-3-2004 by mrmulder]



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by COOL HAND
They have always shown the area as restricted airspace, with a marker where the runway is.


THis is not true Cool Hand, the base was so secret, it wasn't shown on any official map for decades.




posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by mrmulder
I've seen the aircharts since Area 51 was created and the military covered that up and then denied it. Why don't you take a look at this link.


I did and fail to see your point. What I see is a picture that was classified, it says so on the left hand side.

I don't think that this is official, since they would have had to stamp "declassified" on it prior to releasing it for public viewing.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by COOL HAND

Originally posted by mrmulder
I've seen the aircharts since Area 51 was created and the military covered that up and then denied it. Why don't you take a look at this link.


I did and fail to see your point. What I see is a picture that was classified, it says so on the left hand side.

I don't think that this is official, since they would have had to stamp "declassified" on it prior to releasing it for public viewing.


*sigh* even if I gave you a hundred links to prove it you still wouldn't believe it. I still see no proof from you.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 01:03 PM
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even if I gave you a hundred links to prove it you still wouldn't believe it. I still see no proof from you.

Here's one:
lasvegas.about.com...

There is the proof of the airspace restriction for you. It is also located here:

clk.about.com.../XJ&sdn=lasvegas&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.serve.com%2Fmahood%2Fnellis%2Fgroom%2Fgroomtl.htm

BTW where is the denial that you mentioned about the AF pics?



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 01:22 PM
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I never said there was a denial about the Air Force pictures. I never even mentioned that. Read what I originally post. I said

Well, at least now they're admitting there's a base out there at Groom. Since Area 51 was established the military denied it's existence.

Meaning: "The government never acknowledges the existense of the base until recenlty." Forget the pictues in this instance.

And so Eisenhower signed an executive order. Big deal. All Presidents do that. That's still doesn't mean that they're going to acknowledge the existence of a base. That was signed so pilots over at Nellis wouldn't enter that air space.

[Edited on 18-3-2004 by mrmulder]

[Edited on 18-3-2004 by mrmulder]



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 03:08 PM
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And so Eisenhower signed an executive order. Big deal. All Presidents do that. That's still doesn't mean that they're going to acknowledge the existence of a base. That was signed so pilots over at Nellis wouldn't enter that air space.


By doing so they signified that they needed the use of that airspace. That to me signifies that there is a base there.

It does bring up a question, why does the gov't have to reveal its purpose when conducting classified work?





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