What came first the chicken or the egg?, page 2
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reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 03:58 PM by OnionCloud
The egg had to come first.

To answer this question appropriately, one must know how an egg is formed.

The eggs form naturally, whether or not it is fertilized. First, the yolk, the yellow nutrients of the egg, is released from an ovary and passed as a tiny fluid membrane ball through the female's reproductive tract. As it develops, the egg whites, or albumen, are secreted around it. Next, the shell develops as layers of calcium and other minerals build up around it. The egg is then passed through the body and exits as a fully formed egg. It is rather like an assembly line. In the birds body, there is a whole line up of undeveloped eggs, each at a more advanced stage than the one behind it, all lined up like small marbles. The eggs continue to develop constantly as long as the animal is alive, but the productivity varies depending on the time of year, whether the bird has chicks or not, and its age.


Different eggs form slightly differently, and with different minerals that their hosts diet dictates, so the construction (and thus colour, shape, etc.) can vary between species.

So, like a human female, eggs are constantly made and expelled. The difference with a chicken is that it has a shell around it because the chicken evolved that way, or that whatever species the chicken came from -
genetically proven to be a hybrid between the Red and Grey Junglefowl, and so on and so forth, back through time until you get to the first time the egg shell mutation occured. Much like a human, offspring can only be formed if the ovum is inseminated. Natural selection found it useful for an animal to not have to carry around its young inside it until they reached maturation, so a species that lays its eggs outside and hides them cleverly will be able to survive more easily since it isn't slowed down.

Ovum were around long before the egg, the shell system is only an adaptation to protect it and help the parents survive. The answer is therefor, obviously, the egg, not the chicken.

[edit on 20-8-2008 by OnionCloud]

[edit on 20-8-2008 by OnionCloud]


reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 05:23 PM by beforetime
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but all of that say's
it must pass threw a body ect... or the egg wouldn't exist.


reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 05:40 PM by OnionCloud
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I'm really not sure what your post means. Try to reformulate it in to something coherent.



reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 06:39 PM by OnionCloud
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About life, taken from a post I made in a different topic on these forums about experiments to prove primordial ooze life:

Source
The experiment used water (H2O), methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3) and hydrogen (H2). The chemicals were all sealed inside a sterile array of glass tubes and flasks connected together in a loop, with one flask half-full of liquid water and another flask containing a pair of electrodes. The liquid water was heated to induce evaporation, sparks were fired between the electrodes to simulate lightning through the atmosphere and water vapor, and then the atmosphere was cooled again so that the water could condense and trickle back into the first flask in a continuous cycle.

At the end of one week of continuous operation Miller and Urey observed that as much as 10-15% of the carbon within the system was now in the form of organic compounds. Two percent of the carbon had formed amino acids, including 2-3 of the 22 that are used to make proteins in living cells, with glycine as the most abundant. Sugars, lipids, and some of the building blocks for nucleic acids were also formed. Nucleic acids (DNA, RNA) themselves were not formed. As observed in all consequent experiments, both left-handed (L) and right-handed (D) optical isomers were created in a racemic mixture. Virtually all amino acids in the proteins of living cells are left-handed amino acids. Any right-handed amino acids, for the most part, are poisonous to the construction of the protein, causing it to unravel. Equal amounts of left- and right-handed amino acids would not be an environment friendly to life.


Right there you have some of the materials for RNA and DNA formed within one week from water, methane, ammonia, and hydrogen, for nucleic acids. Organic life from simple chemicals without intervention beyond that of early earth atmospheric conditions. All abundant in earths early history. Alternatively, ancient life could have been delivered by a meteorite.

This is kind of getting off track, though.

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reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 09:13 PM by DMTeed
The hen came...


Get it?



reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 09:28 PM by Alister
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I like this answer. This is very true. No one and no thing CAN find the gap in a cycle.



reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 11:13 AM by adamclement
to answer this i will turn to the bible story of creation :

And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

so he made the animals as working crawling, flying, swimming things....and then told them to go forth and multiply....now you can't expect a load of eggs to start reproducing.....therfore the chicken came first.....

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reply posted on 25-8-2008 @ 12:45 PM by dave420
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The egg. Obviously. The creature that laid the egg was nearly, but not exactly, a chicken. Its offspring (in the egg) had slight mutations that bring it in line with what we now call a chicken.

This is only a quandry for those who don't understand evolution.


reply posted on 13-9-2008 @ 08:25 AM by drevill
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an egg

A single cell grows into something, if you can show me, in science, anything where nothing becomes something, complete, in an instance then there you go it would be the chicken

david


reply posted on 14-9-2008 @ 03:57 PM by dave420
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What are you smoking? Can I have some?

The egg came first, but not because of what you say. Please, for the love of the Mighty Jewish Zombie himself, study evolution. Give it some actual effort. Come back and read what you wrote, and laugh.

Then apologise for embracing ignorance.
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