Proving the existence of God is possible, never stop trying.
In the thread titled, "Proving the existence of God is not possible, stop trying," I felt that my case, that God and the things of God can in fact
be proven by any individual who chooses to prove them, was being ignored.
However the whole experience has been wonderfully eye opening for me.
I now understand that while ATS' theoretically speaking, is all about denying ignorance and embracing truth, in practice it can only provide a
platform to accomplish the opposite.
People are encouraged and directed to seek truth in others outside of themselves, they are not confronted by those on the board who know better.
Only a coward would refuse to demand of his fellow man that they take up their personal responsibility to find the truth within, to make a stand and
firmly state that it cannot be found outside of one's self.
The effect of this lack of integrity in the end, only leads to the embrace of ignorance and the denying of truth.
Of course the reason for this sort of thing is always the same everywhere you go, bottom line, it is fear by those in authority.
You are never the worse for demanding that the truth be the line in the sand, even if it means a loss in revenues, or a personal sacrifice.
There is no need to fear what might happen if you take a stand for the truth.
I pray for the day we all find the courage, not to only talk the talk of denying ignorance and embracing truth, but we will put it into practice,
demanding it out of ourselves and the others around us.
It is my opinion that if an individual proves something in real physical terms for themselves, then it is as much proven as if you put together
physical evidence and presented a case to the collective herd mind, and the chief authorities recognized by the herd, stamp it proven.
What I thought I would do about it is put together this post on the subject.
I've taken what I thought to be the main points from all my posts in the opposite thread, and I am putting them here so they can be considered by
Hopefully someone will explain how it is that if the individual proves something in real physical terms that his proof is not proof?
If you succeed in proving God and the things of God for yourself, is it any more or less proven if the herd mind leaders accept it and convince the
Why should anyone stop trying to prove the existence of anything?
What are people afraid of?
If there is no God then there is nothing to be concerned about.
Faith is meant to be evidenced, that is its purpose in my opinion, otherwise why have any faith in anything?
The things of God can absolutely without question be proven, and have been by untold millions and millions of people since it all began.
People draw comfort to their conscience away from their denial by saying to themselves things such as, "faith is belief in something that can't be
proven," as if it is true because they read it in the dictionary of heard it at church, but they conveniently ignore the promise of faith, that is it
is to be evidenced for evidence.
I don't know if it holds true across every religion, but I do know that the major religions recognize a common command to each of their faithful by
their Deity, which is to "PROVE" Him and all things related to the spirit.
God challenges all people to; "PROVE," Him, because He knows what will happen if you try, that is why we are asked by God to have faith in Him in
the first place.
You can take this in any interpretation of religion you like.
If God exists, why wouldn't He want every human being to have proof of His existence?
There are certain universal governing laws of reality which any person can learn and apply to manifest supernatural miraculous power from God..
For instance what God normally has me do, when the occasion presents itself, is perform miracles for people.
I have done this more times than I can count.
You may say, "Well that isn't evidence of anything," and you would be correct, but you would also be incorrect at the same time.
My performing a miracle may not be evidence for you, but it is certainly evidence for me, because I am the one performing the exhibition of
supernatural miraculous power, and I know how it is being done.
No one is ever going to prove or disprove to another person anything to do with God, but the individual person not only can, "PROVE," the existence
of God and the spiritual for themselves, but they are challenged to do just that by God Himself, regardless of what religious label your God has been
The fact that people adamantly and forcefully demand that others stop trying to do what God commands they should do, which is "PROVE HIM," to me
clearly shows, that while it may not be a conscious conspiracy against God, people are being manipulated to strive against His commonly accepted and
universally recognized will.
Who are we that we should stand against God?
I have already proven the existence of God for myself.
Should I not consider the fact that I am now able to perform miracles and have done so repeatedly at the minimum as evidence for the existence of
I was told that if I believed, I would receive power as a token, specifically the power to manifest the gift of God in nine definable measurable ways,
real effects in physical terms, I believed and have done exactly that repeatedly.
Shouldn't I consider my new abilities as evidence; I mean I wasn't able to manifest supernatural miraculous power before I came to know God?
If you want proof it is available to have, anyone can prove God anytime anywhere.
What I am calling proof is exactly that it is not faith, it is the exhibition of spiritual power in definable measurable ways, the physical
manifestation of the gift of holy spirit, how is that faith?
I am not talking about something happening in my head, or just believing and telling myself I am doing something, I am talking about literally
physically doing it.
God provided his gift as evidence to be evidenced.
To the person performing an operation of spiritual power it is not only evidence, but for that individual it can serve as sufficient physical evidence
to qualify as proof?
The reason that no one can prove to anyone other than themselves the existence of God or the spiritual, is because of the quantum nature of the
Life begins from within us not from without, and that is how it works, we must deal with reality the way it is, not the way we want it to be, God will
not redo the universe just to suit one person.
God and the existence of the spiritual can absolutely without question be proven, but only the individual can do it for themselves, not because of God
is hiding from us, but because of the quantum nature of the universe, that is just how things work.
There is no resolution between the people who believe it is possible to prove God and the things of God, and the people who believe it is not
Proclaiming you know the truth, in the statement that the existence of God cannot be proven, does not make it correct, it only means that you do not
believe it is possible and will no longer consider it to be otherwise?
This attitude shows an ignorance and unwillingness to learn regarding the things of faith, when they are told something such as faith is also a law,
these individuals refuse to acknowledge new possibilities for how things might be proven.
If you want proof of the existence of God and the things of God the first thing you must do is acknowledge that faith is also a law, because you can
not manifest spiritual power without utilizing the law of faith.
The only way we can prove God and the things of God is to bring them into our reality, to literally experience God and the things of God in our life
and living, which is absolute proof to anyone who does it.
My opinion is people engage in a lot of self deceptions when it comes to God, they attempt to find excuses not to bother proving God or the things of
God, by convincing themselves that it is not possible.
They tell themselves that it must not be possible to prove God, and for comfort sake they seek to draw others into their self deception by demanding
they stop trying to prove things as they have.
God and the things of God can absolutely be proven by anyone, anytime, anywhere I know this to be a fact, to convince oneself that they can't is a
Have you ever considered the possibility that people who say they have "proved" God to themselves, have done just that and are only trying to tell
others the truth as they see it.
My proof is physical and substantial in the form of operations of supernatural miraculous power, which anyone can do, if they are willing to accept
and learn some basics about faith and the quantum nature of the universe.
Any individual that chooses to can absolutely prove God and the things of God in real physical terms by performing an operation of supernatural
miraculous power, it is that simple.
Personally performing any of the nine manifestation of holy spirit serves as real physical evidence of God and spiritual things, it is even more than
sufficient to qualify as proof, that is for the individual doing the operation.
I agree that it is not proof to any person who may witness it, so in that sense you can not provide proof of God or the things of God to another
person, but the manifestation of holy spirit are absolute physical evidence for the individual manifesting, which anyone can have if they choose to.
The reason you can prove the existence of God for yourself, but not to someone else, is because of the quantum nature of reality.
While God is alive, He does not exist as part of the substance of our universe, you can't cut off a piece of God put it in a box and give it to
Can you take a sample piece of a thought from your head to prove it exists in physical terms to someone else?
Thoughts may be the result of electro chemical reactions, but the thought itself does not exist as part of the substance of our universe, thoughts are
formless, you can't cut off a piece of a thought put it in a box and give it so someone.
However you can manifest your thoughts physically by speaking them, and give someone a piece of your mind if you like.
God and the things of God are exactly the same.
You can't hold a piece of the spiritual, spiritual things are formless, but you can manifest them in physical terms, in nine definable measurable
ways, anyone can.
By manifesting holy spirit you prove it exists in the same way as you are proving your thoughts exist when you speak.
My speaking does not prove to the person hearing me that I am having a thought, but for the person speaking, it is absolute proof that thoughts do
exist in their head and they are occurring.
A person speaking manifests in physical terms the existence of thought.
God is Spirit and exists outside of our space time, we are part of physical reality God is not, He shapes our physical reality.
Think of all of us, that is all of our individual consciousness and realities as existing like thoughts in the mind of God.
God gives all men plenty of physical evidence He is living and real, through signs miracles and wonders, and anyone at anytime in anyplace can prove
God for themselves if they decide to, all it takes is learning some things like what I learned from the bible and personal revelations about the
quantum nature of reality and the law of faith.
It is incorrect to say it is not possible to prove God or the things of God
It is correct however to say, it is not possible to provide another with proof of God or the things of God,
I hear some people talk about they were Christian and never manifested any supernatural miraculous power.
My question to such a person is, what does being a Christian have to do with God or proving the things of God?
From my personal dealings I concluded that Christian religious teachings, of ideas such as the trinity and life after death, if believed can only
serve to obstruct the individual from manifesting the power of God and proving it for themselves, and that is exactly what they have done for
thousands of years.
Evidence is evidence whether or not a court or you accept it, and proof is proof regardless of who recognizes it as such.
The manifestation of holy spirit are physical evidence of the existence of God and the things of God, and for the individual performing them it is
sufficient evidence to qualify as proof.
Any person who literally performs any one or combination of the nine displays of the gift of God is proving physically and substantially for
themselves their existence.
It is incorrect to say that the existence of God cannot be proven because it can be, by the individual, literally.
I will make my case plainer for people to read.
To do this I will be quoting the bible, not as to provide evidence that I am correct, but simply because it is what I know best, and I can draw upon
it to help in making and illustrating my points.
God is a living God, and life is real.
The same way in which God moved in the individuals who wrote the bile, it was received by revelation, is the same way He moves in people who interpret
Anything, written, formed, or made, that people look to in the belief that it holds truth and meaning, that originated with God, which can be thought
by that person as Gods word, as far as I am concerned, it can all work as scripture.
If the thing, written, formed, or made, was received by revelation from God then revelation is required to gain a real time working interpretation
God does not change He is eternal; if He gave his word by revelation then revelation is required to interpret it.
If God communicated His will directly to the individuals who wrote the bible or Koran then He must communicate the interpretation directly to those
who interpret it, for the interpretation to be real in the sense that it can work and be applicable real time for that individual in their life.
For this reason I do not use words necessarily the way a dictionary might define that they be used, but I use them in ways which I feel they will help
others understand things as I understand them.
Which this is a side note, but all holly writings are like this, God uses words and language the way He wants them to be understood, to mean what He
decides for them to mean..
That is why people who try and use the accepted definitions of words from original languages and such, as a way of interpreting scriptures, not
allowing for revelation, for God to communicate His meaning and use of those words and languages by enlightening it to their hearts in real time, they
will always be confronted by contradictions that have no answer, and ideas that when put into practice never produce the expected results.
There is subjective and objective truth, only the individual can know the objective truth for themselves, because it is hid in God who alone is all
No person can read the bible and tell you their interpretation and you then know the objective truth, at best all you will have is subjective truth,
and at the worse a lie.
For a person to understand what the objective truth is at any given moment, they must receive it by revelation, which means they must operate for
themselves one or a combination of three spiritual manifestation, word of knowledge, word of wisdom, and discerning of spirits.
This is why God can say something such as, "prove all things," and you can have any number of interpretations, contradictory one to the other, and
yet objectively speaking each of the individuals with their own personal interpretation could all be correct at the same time.
The simultaneous co-existence of both subjective and objective truth, the quantum paradox of consciousness, the simultaneous co-existence of both the
physical and spiritual reality, the duality of life itself, are all the result of the quantum nature of things.
If you know the spiritual then you can know a fuller measure of what is real, you can know objective truth in real time, you can see through the eyes
Unless you know the spiritual, then you can only know of the physical, which is at best the subjective truth in real time.
Both are true, one is a fuller truth which recognizes the existence of both; the other can only recognizes the existence of itself.
You either recognize the simultaneous co-existence of both subjective and objective truth or you don't, but regardless of your belief, this is either
the nature of things in the literal sense outside of belief or disbelief, or it is not.
I submit that it is indeed part of the context of all of our realities.
The simultaneous co-existence of both subjective and objective truth is merely the reflection upon consciousness of the simultaneous co-existence of
both the spiritual and physical realities.
It is because of this fact, the simultaneous co-existence of both subjective and objective truth, that any individual can objectively physically prove
God and the things of God.
All that is required to prove the existence of God and the things of God is for the individual to personally manifest supernatural miraculous power,
to exercise spiritual means to produce a measurable effect upon physical reality.
However no physical evidence can be provided to another human being, all signs, miracles, and wonders, performed by any individual, can only be
witnessed contextually subjectively.
Religion, the belief in a God coupled with a system of worship, exists as and for a denial of the power of God.
True spirituality is all the power of God available in all of the people equally, it allows self governance to occur sustained by supernatural
All the great religions such as Christianity begin in true spirituality, the power of God clearly evidenced by and in all those whom God brings
together, a movement directed from the bottom up, stirred in the hearts of every single participant from the inside first.
God may bring people together for a single event, or for a lifetime of events, it is done to impart edification to all involved by the direction of
Men without conscience, individuals who trust government more than God to give them power, see a true movement of God and descend upon it as an
opportunity to establish themselves, as rulers over the weaker minded and less mature of the people involved.
Those less mature in the movement have not yet fully developed in their relationships with God making them vulnerable to manipulation and
exploitation, they are devoured by wolfs in sheep clothing so to speak, and become the bases for a religion.
This is how we get all religions, it is certainly how we got the Christian religion.
Religion is a denial of the power of God, a devolution from true spirituality.
In the end people who become faithful adherents and practitioners of a religion are the most valuable among us, making themselves, by their devotion
to religion above God, to be the weakest most easily manipulated and exploited people among the nations.
Religious people attempt to accomplish spiritual things, such as having an active relationship with the creator where both parties participate
practicality effecting circumstance, they try and do this by using physical means only, such as personal discipline or obedience to authority, this is
God can only be worshiped in the realities of physical life and circumstance by spiritual means.
If you make the worship of God a goal then it can not be accomplished by discipline, personal commitment, or any physical method.
If you actually attempt to believe and practice a religion, any religion as a system of worship, it reduces your reality and makes you more vulnerable
to manipulation and exploitation than even people who have no religion at all.
Religion deceives people, if you accept it, then you giving up your rights to walk in the true liberty of the spirit, by the supernatural operation of
miraculous power from God, for the sake of religious governance.
Religion is a denial of the power of God, this is why religion always leads to the final step of human decline which is science.
Science is an attempt to regain power through natural means, power which we instinctively feel that we should have
God gives his gift to all as a token, for the purpose of every believing person to have evidence to be evidenced
God and the things of God can and should be evidenced in real physical terms.
You should experience the operation of supernatural miraculous power for yourself, all who say they believe God are required to prove Him for
themselves, to be able to see that what they have is true and real and not simply in their head.
As believers it is our burden to bear, and until we are mature enough to accomplish the manifesting of the gift of God, we need only be encouraged to
grow toward that day.
But religion is a great evil upon the earth killing the seed before it can sprout, and the Christian religion is chief among the hands of demons to
pluck out those that rise up before they can bloom.
No one needs religion to tell them of the existence of God.
You may disagree, but if God in fact does exists, and He is everywhere present, then it is literally impossible at a certain place in our
consciousness not know of His existence.
A person may not believe God exists but it would be impossible at a certain level not to know He exists.
This is why it is assumed that all mankind is without any excuse, because at some point we know God exists, but we chose not to recognize His
existence and believe.
Religion is a deception over the minds of people, it denies the power of God, it entices people to become apathetic toward the reality of the
existence of God, by focusing their attention and activity on physical realities, such as rights an rituals.
Religion breads apathy toward God and the things of God in people, which apathy is a form of unbelief.
Anyone who desires can manifest spiritual power, they can have all the proof of God and the things of God they need, if they are willing to grow in
their understanding of what is real and possible.
There are nine definable measurable ways which an individual can physically exhibit the gift of God.
Performing any one or a combination of the nine manifestation, can be for the individual doing the exhibition, irrefutable poof of God and the things
You can prove the existence of God and the things of God, by manifesting supernatural miraculous power, and if you haven't, then you should keep
trying until you do, because it is available, I have done it myself as have millions upon millions of others down through the centuries.
There are nine ways in which spirit can be manifested, and every single one has a definable measurable effect on physical reality.
Every manifestation, every miracle or healing performed, is literally evidenced physically in some way, they have all had multiple witnesses to them,
some have been photographed and videotaped, some have had medical proof such as x-rays, blood test, cat-scans and the like, to back them up.
When you exhibit supernatural miraculous power it is exactly that, it is an exhibition, a real physical display, that is why displays of the power of
God are also called, "SIGNS," and "WONDERS."
In fact you can call yourself a "CHRISTIAN" and claim you have "FAITH" all day long, but if there is no physical evidence in the form of signs,
miracles, and wonders in your life, or the life of those around you to support that claim, then you may be "CHRISTIAN," but you are not a
The secular and religious definitions of "FAITH," are subjective and do not recognize the existence or need for physical evidence for ones
A person who actually has "FAITH" objectively speaking, knows that without evidence faith is dead, that is to say that your "FAITH" personally is
not living or real in any physical sense.
A "FAITH" that is alive is based on physical evidence, the physical evidence you can see and experience that your "FAITH" is indeed living and
Here is just one of several verses in the bible talking about signs following them that believe.
You can find verses that say things to this effect in most all holy books, not just the bible.
Mr 16:17 - 18 (KJV)
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents;
and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Of course the main reason every believer needs to see signs and wonders in the first place, is so you can avoid being deceived into believing ideas
that obstruct personal growth and the operations of the manifestation of the spirit.
Christian ideas such as the trinity or life after death, they derail the growth and progress of young believers, it happens somewhere every single day
of the week
Such ideas prevent immature believers from ever performing or witnessing any of the exhibitions of supernatural miraculous power that God has made
available, and would have all men experience.
It does not matter how much evidence you have that a miracle occurred unless you are the one personally performing the miracle you are not in a
position to "KNOW" how it was accomplished, you are in a subjective position regarding the reality of how the miracle was brought into existence.
Not "KNOWING" allows you to dismiss any evidence, or accept it, but also not to have to change your belief on the subject of God, because you can
say the person performing the miracle is using science, they are a magician of some kind, or it was just a coincidence, you can tell yourself anything
in order to maintain your belief at the time you witness the sign, miracle, or wonder.
As long as you are not the person performing the operation of supernatural miraculous power of God, then you can always find yourself some excuse not
to accept the stated way in which the feat was accomplished, no natter how much evidence there may be to support the fact that it occurred and was
People who attempt to interject definitions of things from the dictionary, like regarding the words I use such as "subjective" and "objective," or
who try to direct your thinking toward religious ideas around words such as, "faith" or "belief," these individuals most often unwittingly are
doing the devils work as it were.
It is an attempt to redirect your thinking, by introducing to your mind the idea that there is a higher authority on the subject than yourself.
This is an attack to hinder you from actually physically accomplishing a thing that God would have you to do, it can come from anyone at anytime.
Here is an example for examples sake of what I aim saying from the bible, but once again you can find examples of this sort of thing from most all
holy books not just the bible.
There are numerous examples that can be utilized, but here is the most commonly cited, Peter is doing this very same thing unknowingly to Jesus.
Mt 16:22 - 23 (KJV)
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get
thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
We are the highest authority when it comes to the truth, no one else can tell you what the truth is, only the individual can find and know for
themselves what the objective truth of a matter is, everything else is only subjective opinion.
You have your own mind, you can think for yourself, there is no need to look to secular and religious authorities that others would have you look to
in order to make your determinations as to the truth of a matter, regardless the way the words or language are used to describe that truth.
The individual literally proving God and the things of God by operating supernatural miraculous power, can be witnessed and documented doing it, but
the physical documentation and eyewitness accounts of the event will not be sufficient as to proved proof to others.
The performing of any one or combination of the nine manifestation is evidence of God and the things of God in real physical terms, and for the
individual accomplishing the feat it is sufficient evidence to qualify as proof.
It is not possible to provide another human being with proof of the existence of God, only the individual can prove God and the things of God for
themselves, that is the point I have been making all along with my comments.
God and the things of God can be proven, but it can only be accomplished by the individual.
The individual can prove God and the things of God in real physical terms, it is factual and substantial evidence which they use to do it, the
personal manifestation of supernatural miraculous power, and it is as much proof of God and the things of God, as the kind of subjective non-proof
that others would divert people attention towards focusing on.
God if He exists, by the very fact of His existence, compels that He be proven.
But because of certain laws which govern the construction and continuation of reality, and the quantum nature of the universe, only the individual can
accomplish the feat of proving God and the things of God for themselves.
It can however be accomplished nonetheless.
I have made a case that God and the things of God can be proven in real physical terms, not only that it can be done, but I have gone into why only
the individual can do it, and to a large degree how the individual can do it.
It is a valid reality to say that the individual can absolutely prove God and the things of God, in real physical terms, by personally manifesting
spiritual power from God.