Realy interesting thread, thought provoking and catalystic.

Some thoughts and I dare say my honest opinions. I find it so difficult to understand how people quote the bible scripture word for word. It has been plagurised and re-written for politcal reasons down the ages and for sure, bares no resemblance to the original writings, having been manipulated by the Romans, Greeks and more importantly the Egyptians through time, to fit their own political and religious views.

That is not to say that I dont lean towards some of the claims made by the OP. My reasons for believing that the end times are close are more based on what I feel. I think deep inside we all know we have come to a place in time where it would be best to start again. Technical progress has stalled, we dont know where we are going, as a spieces we are hardened and non compassionate and I dont know abou anyone else, but I dont feel I belong here anymore.

We are not in contol of our own destiny anymore. The elite and the puppet governmenats have stripped us of our identity. The media has stripped us of our feelings and compassion. The self imposed rat-race and high teck needs society that we live in has made us forget how to love, to cry, and how to even communicate with each other anymore.

If you believe everything cycles then we are at the point where we are at the end of our progress and for whatever reason, for whatever identified prophesy that comes true, I hope some of us survive whats coming and pass on the lessons learned to the new generations.

These are only my opinions, my feelings, and on thinking about it, probably my wishes.

The best way to start bible prophecy is to read Daniel. Daniel 9 gives us a time line. So far, 69 of the 'weeks' have been fulfilled, leaving 1 week (seven years) left.

I think we are in the last 'week' as we speak, we have the EU coming together after thousands of years as prophesied by Daniel, and a confirming of a 7 year covenant (ENP) that was confirmed (made strong) January 1, 2007. (Daniel 9:27) I'm not saying that's when the last seven started though. Not saying this man is the antichrist, but look how much power Javier Solana has and how under the radar he is. He is one to watch. Bet many people haven't heard of him. 3 times the number 666 came up under him. (For example: see EU Recommendation 666-Support proposals for the WEU Secretary-General and CFSP High Representative to preside over the PSC and civilian crisis-management machinery and give him powers to convene the Council of the European Union in the event of an emergency; ) On 6/6/06 he was the one who offered Iran for the first time a package of incentives to stop their nuclear program.


The reason the Georgia/Russia conflict raised flags is about Ezekiel 38-39-the Gog/Magog War. Many believe Russia to be Gog, and they need that tiny country of Georgia to march down into Israel as it states an army will do.

As of right now, the conflict military sense is pretty much halted in Georgia and Russia. However, the aftermath is what we need to worry about. The U.S. is discussing about punishing Russia.

This could only lead to something we never imagined but also something we feared...

Buddha Maitreya is and will be the next buddha on Earth - long after any remnants of Buddhism remain. He will do what the last buddha did, as well as the infinite number of Buddhas before him - teach humanity the "way". I am definately not afraid of him - why should I be? If you research Buddhism you won't be afraid either.

bad thing about prophecy is that it only make sense AFTER it has come to pass, because that the only time we can read into it and make it fit our own paradigm

I have YET to find a reliable source of prophecy, and I mean black and white reliable. If god gave man prophecies, I would hope he will improve to the point that we could know BEFORE something happens.

I am a 2012er, not because all the fuzzy spiritual ascension prophecy but because of the actual planetary and physicality that is involved, soemthing that can be seen and charted and "predicted" and which is quite rare.

what we make of it all is up to us.

hehe... I think all of the Fear & Doom is based on all of the "prophecy" stories we have heard.... pretty much all I have heard (from those that mention wars) is 3... anyone know a prophecy that talks about the 4th or 5th World War?

Most of the Bible prophecy is because many of the end times "pre-requisites" are now met.

Israel becoming a nation again (1948)

The rebuilding of the temple (3rd temple) - may be happening soon as it has been mentioned that the mosque that is currently on the temple mount may not be where the Jewish temple once stood (gentiles sector if I am not mistaken) and they may rebuild the temple on the mount away from the mosque.

The "technology" to reach a world audience (modern telecommunications / TV)

The technology needed to bring about a "mark of the beast" where nobody can buy or sell without it (some kind of implant and no hard currency).

The persecution of Christianity (hell, who would have believed 30 years ago that this could happen in the US? It is mind boggling to see how society has changed and how Christianity is scorned.

Sodom & Gomorrah - Wow, watch TV. I cannot believe how much our society has degraded. Some of the reality stuff on MTV prime time would be on HBO after dark 25 years ago. Our children are bombarded with sex, group sex, wife swapping, torture, S&M as common behavior now. I won't even go into depth with the increase in violence. Yeah, we had scary movies in the 80's but what is up with all of this "torture murder" crap that is going into movies now? (End rant on violence as that could take hours)

What was moral is now wrong and ridiculed, what was wrong is now OK and promoted.

Am I the only one who has noticed?

OK - back to the original topic - There are a ton of other "prophecies" that have or can be fulfilled in the near future and beyond that are the other sources we see on the Discovery Channel and the like on 2012, Other prophets, etc. and it gets people a bit jumpy.

I was raised in an extremely fundamentalist church that believed in speaking in tongues, prophecy, healing, i.e., the gifts of the spirit. For as long as I can recall, some preacher, or some church member would stand up and give a prophecy that the return of Christ was imminent. Usually, the prophecy was given in tongues, and then someone would interpret, which is according to biblical directive. However, it was ALWAYS the preacher who had the interpretation.
I have read the bible through and through several times, and have always tried to pick different translations, in case there was a different perspective. I have come to the conclusion that everything, with the exception of Israel "blooming," could have, and has, happened over and over throughout the centuries. We have always had earthquakes "in diverse places," economic turmoil, (read "recession/depression") and nation rising against nation.
In addition, there are a lot of crackpot preachers out there who thing they have their own personal hotline to the Creator, and they alone are privleged to interpret the Bible according to what is going on in the world. These guys are usually junior high school dropouts who have an online purchased PhD, and an extremely narrow view of the Universe, and extremely bad grammar.
When I hear one of these idiots screaming about the end of the world, I change the channel and go back to sleep.
As an aside, the Bible does not speak about "the end of the world." In contrast, it speaks of a "world without end."

Every World War was an economic realignment.

Now that the U.S. is falling, other nations are rising, and precious resources are becoming scarce/pricey, we will see another realignment.

Originally posted by infolurker
hehe... I think all of the Fear & Doom is based on all of the "prophecy" stories we have heard.... pretty much all I have heard (from those that mention wars) is 3... anyone know a prophecy that talks about the 4th or 5th World War?

Most of the Bible prophecy is because many of the end times "pre-requisites" are now met.

Israel becoming a nation again (1948)

The rebuilding of the temple (3rd temple) - may be happening soon as it has been mentioned that the mosque that is currently on the temple mount may not be where the Jewish temple once stood (gentiles sector if I am not mistaken) and they may rebuild the temple on the mount away from the mosque.

The "technology" to reach a world audience (modern telecommunications / TV)

The technology needed to bring about a "mark of the beast" where nobody can buy or sell without it (some kind of implant and no hard currency).

The persecution of Christianity (hell, who would have believed 30 years ago that this could happen in the US? It is mind boggling to see how society has changed and how Christianity is scorned.

Sodom & Gomorrah - Wow, watch TV. I cannot believe how much our society has degraded. Some of the reality stuff on MTV prime time would be on HBO after dark 25 years ago. Our children are bombarded with sex, group sex, wife swapping, torture, S&M as common behavior now. I won't even go into depth with the increase in violence. Yeah, we had scary movies in the 80's but what is up with all of this "torture murder" crap that is going into movies now? (End rant on violence as that could take hours)

What was moral is now wrong and ridiculed, what was wrong is now OK and promoted.

Am I the only one who has noticed?

OK - back to the original topic - There are a ton of other "prophecies" that have or can be fulfilled in the near future and beyond that are the other sources we see on the Discovery Channel and the like on 2012, Other prophets, etc. and it gets people a bit jumpy.

i have noticed this as well- basically shocked and somewhat puzzeled by
actions of people who should be 'adults'. there is a non-caring attitude and a no-courteous policy with regard to others.