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Originally posted by skyshow Are you trying to debate that Zeitgeist is a fraud, or are you trying to persuade others to believe in your brand of mythology and it's gods?
I was answering questions posed to ME. And as far as "repenting and being saved"? You don't have to do that if you don't want to. God created you with free will. You can choose to worship a Snickers bar if thats what you want to do.
Originally posted by skyshow
reply to post by NOTurTypical
What does all of that have to do with Zeitgeist the movie? Listen here, I know where the nearby mega-entertainment-metropolis church is at, and I know how to open the front doors and enter on Sunday with all the other SUV driving, cool-aide drinking, drunk on religion sheeple if I want to. I am on this thread to try and see how folks reason this thing out and then I come to your posts and tell me how it's any different that proselytizing Sunday morning at some church somewhere? huh? How can you get on here and debate such subjective superstitions as the existence of whom you call God, demons and Satan? How is this adding to the conversation when you present unverified variables and figures from mythology like this? What are you telling us that we haven't already heard before? I don't see one shred of evidence that these gods even exist as presented, yet you serve them up like it's something set in stone. How is that? By the same way, I could print up here in a blog post how Santa Clause climbs down the chimney on the third day following the Winter Solctice to deliver for all the little boys and girls toys manufactured by little elfs at the North Poll and brough hither by a team of rambunctious raindeer, and of course we all would know that was the ordained gospel...jeesh, do you actually think you're going to convince ATS'ers of such? You think we come here to seek to repent and be saved by your Jesus god? Unbelievable.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here. Ney. I'm trying to say that at ATS we damand a bit more than the regular tired and worn out religious mantra. Are you trying to debate that Zeitgeist is a fraud, or are you trying to persuade others to believe in your brand of mythology and it's gods? In my opinion, what your actually succeeding in doing is pointing out a major part of why ATS exists in the first place!
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by re22666
My friend, there are scores of seular accounts of Jesus, there are scores of secular accounts of miracles. One in perticular is a source that states there was in fact darkness at the crucifixion of Jesus even though astrology showed there wasn't supposed to be one.
What happens then is humans come along after that and then discredit those secular accounts.
"Proof" is relative my friend, if a person doesn't want to believe something he never will no matter how much evidence there is.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by re22666
My friend, there are scores of seular accounts of Jesus, there are scores of secular accounts of miracles. One in perticular is a source that states there was in fact darkness at the crucifixion of Jesus even though astrology showed there wasn't supposed to be one.
Discredit where discredit is due
What happens then is humans come along after that and then discredit those secular accounts.
We could reverse this to if a person wants to believe something he always will no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary - its called FAITH
"Proof" is relative my friend, if a person doesn't want to believe something he never will no matter how much evidence there is.
Do you actually realize that the exact same litmus test you use to discredit the secular accounts of Jesus Christ also discredit the "proof" that Alexander the Great existed?
Originally posted by re22666
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by re22666
My friend, there are scores of seular accounts of Jesus, there are scores of secular accounts of miracles. One in perticular is a source that states there was in fact darkness at the crucifixion of Jesus even though astrology showed there wasn't supposed to be one.
What happens then is humans come along after that and then discredit those secular accounts.
"Proof" is relative my friend, if a person doesn't want to believe something he never will no matter how much evidence there is.
scores? really? where are they? how can i read them? how can i verify how old they are?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Do you actually realize that the exact same litmus test you use to discredit the secular accounts of Jesus Christ also discredit the "proof" that Alexander the Great existed?
Originally posted by re22666
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by re22666
My friend, there are scores of seular accounts of Jesus, there are scores of secular accounts of miracles. One in perticular is a source that states there was in fact darkness at the crucifixion of Jesus even though astrology showed there wasn't supposed to be one.
What happens then is humans come along after that and then discredit those secular accounts.
"Proof" is relative my friend, if a person doesn't want to believe something he never will no matter how much evidence there is.
scores? really? where are they? how can i read them? how can i verify how old they are?
The only proof he existed is from accounts written by historians after he died.
And his life has FAR less of an impact on Earth today than the life of Jesus Christ.
Think about that fact when you want to discredit the secular accounts of Jesus.
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Originally posted by DickieDee
Yes zeitgeist is an embarrassment to legitimate atheists. It's highschool level work just plagiarizing some already debunked sources.
I respectfully have to disagree. Just because some or most don't doesn't mean that ALL don't. You need to watch it first before you can claim it doesn't present documented evidence. That's a logical fallacy to assume all are trash because some or most are trash.
Originally posted by re22666
reply to post by NOTurTypical
well first of all, i can show you a youtube video proving a hollow earth, an oasis in antartica, 57 breeds of aliens. i am sorry but youtube videos are not only a waste of time when looking for documented evidence but exactly that- NOT documented evidence. and your link has 9 citings with absoloutely NO references. any decent work of research at least shows where it got its information and that does not for the whole 9 people it states. i guess since i am unfairly dismissing your videos, lets say all 9 are good and valid. you are still at least 31 off.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
I respectfully have to disagree. Just because some or most don't doesn't mean that ALL don't. You need to watch it first before you can claim it doesn't present documented evidence. That's a logical fallacy to assume all are trash because some or most are trash.
But again, I have no idea why you cannot search this stuff out on your own? I had no idea there was secular evidence for Jesus until I did the research. No offense, but it leaves me with the impression you truly aren't interested in finding out if the information is there or not, but more interested in looking at one side that supports your preconceived notions.
Again, I'm not trying to disrespect you, but if the truth is truly what you seek then you can also research the other side with the same level of vigor. Am I wrong?