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Originally posted by southern_Guardian
So what your saying here is that we wait for these horrible incidences to happen instead of preventing the majority of them before hand? Im sorry I have disagree.
I admit we will never be able to completely keep america safe from gun violence especially in schools but we can prevent alot of them from happening.
You cannot compare this situation in the middle east with gun regulation debate here, honestly.
Originally posted by orangetom1999
THe state is also the people..not the government.
By popular ignorance and uneducation...the tern has become the state as something more than the people.
The militia was made up of the people who brought thier arms to form a well regulated militia...not the government arming them.
Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
But more-over.
I've learned a lot from our discussion, texan, and i thank you.
Back to the OP (no matter how full of ignorance it is)
Barack Obama does not support anywhere close to "all" of those things the OP so ignorantly points out.
To xtexan (allow me to pick your brain for a moment)
These questions are in regards to the insinuations that the OP intends to make
1.) Do you support any sort of ban on any sort of weapon
2.) If you don't support ban, would you support a restriction? "waiting period" and "background checks"
3.) Do you believe felons should have access to fire arms (legally speaking of course)
Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by orangetom1999
The militia was made up of the people who brought thier arms to form a well regulated militia...not the government arming them.
nobody is arguing that.
What im arguing is that "the people" and "a militia" are seperate entities much in the way "the job force" and "nuclear technician" are not the same things.
One is made up of the other - but that does not mean that anyon in the job force has access to a nuclear reactor, in the way a nuclear technician does.
For the safety of a city, and the job force, a nuclear technicians access to a nuclear reactor shall not be infringed upon.
Thats exactly how the second amendment is written as it pertains to my example....
That doesnt mean that everyone in the job force has access. It means that the nuclear technician has access in order to protect the city and its people.
Just because you're a citizen of this country does not mean you belong to any militia.
A militia is a certain body OF the people.
A militia is not a completly body composed of all the people.
If there were true, then there'd be no reason to add "militia" and it would just be "the people"
[edit on 8/12/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]
Originally posted by Rick007
reply to post by vor78
It seems you have been fooled by the term " Assault Rifle"
If it is not a fully auto rifle it is not an " assault rifle" it is a " semi automatic rifle"
You are using the term incorrectly.
Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin
Furthermore, a "militia" is defined as such
1. a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.
2. a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.
3. all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.
4. a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government.
source
So to be a citizen is one thing
To belong to a militia is another.
No where does the definition, nor in the 2nd amendment, does it constitute a militia as "all of the people" it confers the right to a militia COMPOSED of people.
Not all people in and of themselves.
A militia is an "organized group of people"
So to belong to a well organized militia (as specifically stated by the 2nd amendment) would grant you the RIGHT to bare arms.
If you dont belong to the militia - as another interpretation of the 2nd amendment would show you - you are not able to have that right.
10 USCS [Armed Forces]
"311. MILITIA: COMPOSITION AND CLASSES
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age [which deals with
membership in the National Guard] who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of
the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are--
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National
Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members
of the militia who are not members of the National Guard
or the Naval Militia."