option F. A multi billion dollar per year industry known as the Domestic Firearm Black Market will erupt, giving people like me with lots of guns the ability to name my price for just about any gun.

Soon to be followed by option G: The feds institute yet another "war", this time the War on Guns. America dives into a fascistic society, civil war erupts, just about everyone dies, and I live happily ever after dining on the carcasses of dead federal agents

Now what will happen will be A, I think. Everyone will give up their weapons cause for the most part, no one likes breaking the law. There maybe some people willing to fight, but I seriously doubt that it would get as far as D...

I also predict a huge jump in crime once this happens, cause once it's known that the average Joe can't have an Semi-automatic.... the criminals will have the jump on them.

He then stated that his stand on gun issues has not changed one bit.

He is merely distancing himself from the issue. Avoiding answering the question.

All responders please read the attached link above and be educated as to the material in question.

This is not the debate of if he will, it is a question of the outcome of if he does.

His stand on what he intends has not changed.

I hope he takes away all the guns... I mean how else will we be safe if we aren't disarmed? Makes perfect sense!

We're so **cked.

Even if you could take the best parts of Obama and combine them with the best parts of McCain, we'd still be **cked.

anything is possible and everything is possible, if you vote obama you might as well hand over your guns



FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.
FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.

[edit on 8-8-2008 by bamaoutlaw]

I think it will be ignored, both from the gov't side and the Citizens. If any action is taken, it will be done the way GW Bush did it... wait until some disaster hits some place, then move the goons in and disarm the population while they are too messed up from trying to stay alive in the first place.

I think that will happen once or twice, then we'll probably get into sit D, or SE's option G.

But I don't lose much sleep over it. Such action might be the lance to the boil that US politics has become.

And I don't expect any better from any politico. A well-armed, well-educated populace is the bane of all authoritarian governments, whatever window dressing they put on the name. This government, through several generations, has taken care of the well-educated side of that.

Now they may well be working on the well-armed side. And it aint just Democrats... see re: Bush Goons / New Orleans / Katrina.

Originally posted by Illahee
D. The final outcome will be the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of foreign and domestic troops,black water mercenaries, and law abiding citezens, turning America into an entire nation of insurgents fighting an illegal government.

That's why it hasn't yet happened, and that's why it won't happen. The government knows that.

If the government ever seriously challenged the 2nd Amendment, the country would rise up and "secure the free state" as it is charged to do. Firearm owners would become outlaws or "insurgents" in their own land.

It's not going to happen.

All I know is that I feel much safer having an unregistered gun, just in case.

I'm not very concerned because the odds of Obama winning are pretty slim.
Now if he were elected....

Ive been a legal owner for 2 years. Ive taken all necessary classes to be a responsible owner. If anyone tries and strips me of that right, they will get my guns bullets first. No doubt about it.

Those that don't own won't understand that to a lot of people, the right to own is very important in terms of freedom and feeling American. I know several people that have been saved by their firearms. More than those whom have been victims. It seems the media leaves the good out of everything.

Originally posted by AndrewTB
Ive been a legal owner for 2 years. Ive taken all necessary classes to be a responsible owner. If anyone tries and strips me of that right, they will get my guns bullets first. No doubt about it.

just to be clear, do you mean that if the police come to take your gun, you will shoot at them as well? This again brings up the importance of having an unregistered gun. If you have a "legal" gun, that means it's linked to you in a database somewhere... and the very instant they want to take it from you, they know where to find you.

This is fear mongering at its finest folks.

You must sign a paper to buy one in a store and be checked out. Anytime you need some cash you may sell it to a friend, at a garage sale or in the newspaper and its perfectly legal There are so may millions of secondary transfers every year that database is useless for anything besides recording store purchases and they damn well know it.

You are being sheepled if you feel that a single transaction means you are even satisfied with it and keep it for more than a couple days.

you buy a gun and it turns out to be a lemon. You sell it to your friend and he takes it apart and uses pieces to fix to lemons he already has. Now how are you supposed to be accountable for that purchase when you did the right thing and recycled it?

Yet this is the very lie used to get fools to hand them over.

Banning ALL semiautomatics? I just can't imagine that. Sheesh some states would try to succeed from the union again.

Originally posted by scientist

Originally posted by AndrewTB
Ive been a legal owner for 2 years. Ive taken all necessary classes to be a responsible owner. If anyone tries and strips me of that right, they will get my guns bullets first. No doubt about it.

just to be clear, do you mean that if the police come to take your gun, you will shoot at them as well? This again brings up the importance of having an unregistered gun. If you have a "legal" gun, that means it's linked to you in a database somewhere... and the very instant they want to take it from you, they know where to find you.

If the police are trying to strip me of my rights, absolutely. This is coming from one thats highly supportive of the law enforcement community.

Here in Florida there is no such thing as a registered gun unless you get into Class 3 stuff. There are no database and you can legally own a gun without there ever being a trace amount of info on the purchase.

Your still subject to background checks, so I assume they could see a gun shop requested the check and can track owners down that way. Not fully sure on that theory.