Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

Yes I appreciated the sarcasm

However if you are prepared to "play" by "rules" then you really shouldnt' complain about them - payback or not, if Russia is happy to "apply" what it sees as "NATO's rules" then it is, de facto, making them Russia's rules too and signifying its agreement that they should apply.

reply to post by Vitchilo


Vitchilo, I had the distinct pleasure of watching that steaming turd with a Russian. I've never seen him so close to smashing his television!

I had to assure him that no media-savvy American would ever take such ridiculous piece of propaganda trash seriously. We then spent all of five minutes on the web before the connections were exposed; the movie was bought and paid for by the Georgian government.

Still, we had a good old, MST3Kesque time tearing the movie apart.

reply to post by NightShift


Yep... I was pretty mad too... it was really a big joke... Saakasvilli as the hero... What a joke.

They certainly didn't have him chewing on his tie in the movie...

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


There is no agreement of any sort. Why should Russia recognize Kosovo if NATO does not recognize Abkhazia. We all know that neither one will, so any arguement is moot point. The point here is that NATO made the first move by recognizing Kosovo - the first move of what is likely to be a very long game. It opened the Pandora's Box if you will.

Medvedev ratifies Abkhazia, S. Ossetia military base deployment

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev ratified agreements on Thursday concluded last year with Abkhazia and South Ossetia, under which Moscow will set up military bases in the breakaway republics.

The treaties allow Russia to operate military bases in Abkhazia and South Ossetia for an initial term of 49 years, with possible extensions for an additional 15 years.

That will sure piss off Saakasvilli.

U.S. Warship Visits Georgia Despite Russia Anger

A U.S warship arrived Oct. 17 in Georgia's Black Sea port of Batumi for exercises with the country's coast guard, the U.S. embassy said, in the latest of a series of such calls which have angered Russia.

The guided missile cruiser Philippine Sea's "regularly scheduled" port call will include "combined training exercises with the Georgian Coast Guard," the U.S. embassy in Tbilisi said in a statement.

US still has military relations with that nutjob Saakasvilli... should tell something about Obama...

Russia recognizes annulment of S.Ossetian elections

Russia has recognized the annulment of South Ossetian presidential elections, calling on all South Ossetian political powers to respect the Supreme Court’s decision, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on its web site on Wednesday.

Russia calls for maintaining “a calm and stable situation” in South Ossetia, the ministry said.

South Ossetia’s Supreme Court on Tuesday declared null and void the outcome of the November 27 runoff presidential elections because of violations. However South Ossetia’s former education minister, Alla Dzhioyeva, who had won the runoff, declared herself president of the breakaway republic in defiance of a court ruling.

This ain't good.

Repeat Election Set for March in Breakaway S.Ossetia

Following a court’s decision annulling results of the Sunday’s presidential runoff, the breakaway South Ossetia’s Parliament approved March 25, 2012 as the date of repeat polls.

Outgoing South Ossetian leader, Eduard Kokoity, welcomed both the Supreme Court’s ruling and a decision of the Parliament and called on the citizens to maintain calm and observe the constitution.

Moscow 'Concerned' over S.Ossetia Post-Election Tensions

In a second statement released on November 30 over developments in breakaway South Ossetia, the Russian Foreign Ministry said Moscow was concerned about the tensions, but had no intention to meddle in internal affairs of Tskhinvali.

Georgia Ceases CFE Treaty Vis-à-Vis Russia

Following some NATO-member states Georgia too has announced about stopping sharing military information under the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE) with Russia.

Of course.

Tbilisi Says S.Ossetia Polls 'Kremlin-Planned Event'

Sunday’s presidential runoff in breakaway South Ossetia is not an election, but “an event planned by the Kremlin,” Georgian Deputy Foreign Minister, Nino Kalandadze, said on November 28.

Right. And the election of Saakasvilli was what again?

Ronald Reagan Statue Unveiled in Tbilisi

A statue to former U.S. President Ronald Reagan was unveiled in downtown Tbilisi by President Saakashvili and the U.S. congressional delegation on November 23 with the Georgian leader saying at the ceremony that the statue was symbolizing the difference between the ideologies of Georgia and its northern neighbor.

Saakasvilli, licking the boots of America.

Saakashvili: Jeers for Putin Mean 'Beginning of End for Authoritarian Rule in Russia'

‘I am sure their days are numbered’;
Russia ‘wants Georgia to be its slave’;
‘Some Georgian politicians miss licking Russian soldiers’ dirty underwear’;
‘Russian Church declared a crusade for restoration of Soviet Union’;

Medvedev: August War Stopped Georgia's NATO Membership

Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev said twice on Monday on two separate occasions, that the August, 2008 war with Georgia thwarted NATO's plans to expand further on the post-Soviet space.

Which is great.

Ivanishvili Reiterates 'NATO has No Alternative for Georgia’s Security'

Billionaire-turned-politician, Bidzina Ivanishvili, said on November 17, that while there had been some progress in military reforms, Saakashvili’s “authoritarian” rule was making it impossible for Georgia to join the NATO in near future.

“NATO has no alternative in terms of Georgia’s security and I stand where the absolute majority of the Georgian people stands and the Georgian people have made their choice in this regard,” Ivanishvili said, referring to January, 2008 plebiscite in which 72.5% of voters said they want Georgia to join NATO.

He said that unlike the authorities, “I and my team do not believe that we will be able to join NATO in the nearest future.”

“NATO is a political-military structure and apart of development of military system, development of democratic institutions in parallel is necessary. One of the statements and one of the issues on which [NATO Secretary General] Mr. Rasmussen stressed [when he visited Georgia on November 9-10] was that [parliamentary] elections in 2012 will be decisive and that NATO will be watching closely these elections,” Ivanishvili said during a press conference held for media sources based in the Georgian regions.

Except Georgia cannot join NATO because it doesn't control ``all`` of it's territory (South Ossetia, Abkhazia)...

U.S. Secretary of Navy to Visit Georgia

U.S. Secretary of the Navy, Ray Mabus, will visit Georgia on November 18-19.

More arms for Saakasvilli?

Protesters Launch 'Nonstop Rallies' in Tskhinvali

Supporters of Alla Jioyeva, an opposition candidate who won in now annulled presidential runoff, erected several tents on Tskhinvali’s central square outside the government building on Thursday evening vowing to stand their ground.

“Our protest rally turned into a permanent one,” said Anatoly Barankevich, the breakaway region’s former secretary of national security council, who is Jioyeva’s one of the key allies.

“We are setting up tents now and we will be staying here before achieving annulment of the Supreme Court’s decision” which invalidated the November 27 runoff results, he added.

Occupy Tskhinvali!

Still big trouble in South Ossetia...

Opposition in Tskhinvali Accuses Authorities of 'Repressions'

Opposition in breakaway South Ossetia accused the authorities of launching “repressions” against supporters of Alla Jioyeva, whose victory in the November 27 presidential runoff has been annulled by the court.

Court in Tskhinvali Upholds Annulment of Runoff Results

Meanwhile, at dawn on Tuesday an anti-tank rocket was fired at a home of the breakaway region’s chief prosecutor Taimuraz Khugaev, a close ally of incumbent South Ossetian leader Eduard Kokoity.

Russian-South Ossetian border closed

Earlier, there were reports that the South Ossetian authorities had closed the border ”to avoid possible provocations” amid anger over annulled presidential elections.

reply to post by Vitchilo


I see a Global Warfare around 2012 Russia would be seen as the good guys the west and NATO puppets the bad guys.

Mark my words.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

I see a Global Warfare around 2012 Russia would be seen as the good guys the west and NATO puppets the bad guys.

Mark my words.

Lets be honest, the terrorist organisation known as the "US government" and its bodyguards NATO are the bad guys. Russia are just pissed off with America bullying people around. However, if Russia wanted to take over the world (no chance) then they would obviously be the bad guys.

Politics, don't you love it?

reply to post by Krono


See world domination is one of the worst ideas in my opinion.Millions of people will die because of it.Sadly enough many americans have this 'yehaw lets kill everyone who does not agree with us' and this attitude is trouble.USSR fell because of this attitude.America will also.

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by Krono

 

See world domination is one of the worst ideas in my opinion.Millions of people will die because of it.Sadly enough many americans have this 'yehaw lets kill everyone who does not agree with us' and this attitude is trouble.USSR fell because of this attitude.America will also.

I'm going to make this clear, I'm not American I'm British and I don't want world domination. Just saying IF Putin wanted the world then Russia would be the bad guys. But Russia wouldn't do much damage conventionally.

Originally posted by Krono

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by Krono

 

See world domination is one of the worst ideas in my opinion.Millions of people will die because of it.Sadly enough many americans have this 'yehaw lets kill everyone who does not agree with us' and this attitude is trouble.USSR fell because of this attitude.America will also.

I'm going to make this clear, I'm not American I'm British and I don't want world domination. Just saying IF Putin wanted the world then Russia would be the bad guys. But Russia wouldn't do much damage conventionally.

I completely disagree. Russia would do a lot of conventional damage, especially since it has the capability to do it. They also have the capability to do a lot of unconventional attacks too, such as proxy warfare or special ops.

But I seriously doubt that Russia is interested in "taking over the world". They aren't exactly the plutocratic empire that the US is. Russia is, in fact, very nationalist and would be more interested in acheiving Russian goals, of which taking over the world is not one of them.

"Taking over the world" isn't even a practical goal for nations. It is more like a goal for an ideology- hence why capitalism wants it because it promises more profit, aswell as why the Soviets wanted it (because socialism is stronger in quantity).

However, as I said, Russia isn't really in ideological mode at the moment. They seem more interested in establishing their own autonomous power through economic and geopolitical means. This is so Russia will have a stronger base to stand on than rivals, such as China with its unstable economy, the EU that is currently in differentiation mode to separate the "top" EU countries from the weaker ones, or the US that only survives on "quantitative easing".

Russia would be defeated just by being heasily sanctioned.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by Krono

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by Krono

 

See world domination is one of the worst ideas in my opinion.Millions of people will die because of it.Sadly enough many americans have this 'yehaw lets kill everyone who does not agree with us' and this attitude is trouble.USSR fell because of this attitude.America will also.

I'm going to make this clear, I'm not American I'm British and I don't want world domination. Just saying IF Putin wanted the world then Russia would be the bad guys. But Russia wouldn't do much damage conventionally.

Russia would be defeated after being sanctioned.

I completely disagree. Russia would do a lot of conventional damage, especially since it has the capability to do it. They also have the capability to do a lot of unconventional attacks too, such as proxy warfare or special ops.

But I seriously doubt that Russia is interested in "taking over the world". They aren't exactly the plutocratic empire that the US is. Russia is, in fact, very nationalist and would be more interested in acheiving Russian goals, of which taking over the world is not one of them.

"Taking over the world" isn't even a practical goal for nations. It is more like a goal for an ideology- hence why capitalism wants it because it promises more profit, aswell as why the Soviets wanted it (because socialism is stronger in quantity).

However, as I said, Russia isn't really in ideological mode at the moment. They seem more interested in establishing their own autonomous power through economic and geopolitical means. This is so Russia will have a stronger base to stand on than rivals, such as China with its unstable economy, the EU that is currently in differentiation mode to separate the "top" EU countries from the weaker ones, or the US that only survives on "quantitative easing".

Georgia becomes NATO aspirant state – deputy PM

Georgia was named a NATO aspirant country for the first time on Thursday, the country’s deputy premier said.

Georgia, which has been proactively seeking NATO membership since a coup in 2003, was included on the list during a two-day meeting of NATO foreign ministers that opened on Wednesday in Brussels

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who attended a NATO-Russian council meeting in Brussels earlier on Thursday, has warned that Russia’s 2008 war with Georgia could be repeated if the South Caucasus state joined NATO.

Freaking NATO doing everything it can to create WW3...

Russia says Georgia's entry to NATO could lead to war

Russia’s foreign minister has warned of a repetition of its 2008 war with Georgia if the South Caucasus state joins NATO.

DUH.

I mean arming and training that nutjob Saakasvilli to attack Russian peacekeepers in 2008 wasn't enough, now they are doing this. Georgia in NATO means NATO right on Russia's border... and Saakasvilli is such a nut, they are crazy enough to put missile interceptors in Georgia.

NATO is run by INSANE PEOPLE.

Originally posted by Krono
Russia would be defeated just by being heasily sanctioned.

edit on 7-12-2011 by Krono because: Screwed up reply, please delet second reply.

You do realize that Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council... right?

It can't be sanctioned, or really chastised by any serious diplomatic means. Any attempt to do so will put the US in the same position

Georgia in U.S. Military Authorization Bill

The U.S. defense authorization bill contains a section, which calls for “normalization” of military cooperation with Georgia, including the sale of defensive arms.

The portion of the legislation dealing with Georgia calls on the U.S. President to submit to the congressional committees for defense and foreign affairs within three months after the bill is enacted a “plan for normalization” with a purpose to support Georgia “in providing for the defense of its government, people, and sovereign territory, consistent with the continuing commitment of the Government of the Republic of Georgia to its nonuse-of-force pledge.”

It calls for the sale of the U.S. “defense articles and services” and also for encouraging “NATO member and candidate countries to restore and enhance their sales of defensive articles and services to the Republic of Georgia as part of a broader NATO effort to deepen its defense relationship and cooperation” with Georgia.

For flying spaghetti monster's sake...

Yeah let's put Georgia, run by Saakasvilli, into NATO and arm him... I mean that ONLY almost created WW3 last time... why not try again? Freaking nutjobs in the US congress to push stuff like that.