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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 12:01 PM by tristar
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Log this in your files,
Georgians received a bloody nose with the recent conflict, this time round, i do sense they are not going to walk away but be carried.
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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 12:19 PM by wylee
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More evidence that Al-Queda is Al CIAda to begin with.....Ridiculous. This was a Cheney/Haliburton project, since they found Mercs among the dead
during the inital attacks to make all new future for the Military Industry Complex.
Thanks for all the information.
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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 12:47 PM by john124
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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 01:02 PM by pluckynoonez
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Originally posted by john124
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Difficult to say, probably the beginning of further tensions.
Meh. That tells me nothing. I get "further tensions" if I stare at my cat long enough (he likes to fight).
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 08:02 PM by john124
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Here's a good explanation of what's going on!:
Georgian MFA on Russia’s Al Qaeda Allegations
Georgian Foreign Ministry said on October 13 that Russia’s “utterly false” allegations about Tbilisi aiding Al Qaeda was a cause of “a
serious concern”.
Chief of Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB), Alexander Bortnikov, claimed on October 13, that the Georgian secret services were assisting “Al
Qaeda emissaries” in arranging sending of fighters and arms in Chechnya and Dagestan.
The Georgian Foreign Ministry said that this “hysterical campaign” of spreading “absurdity” was an attempt by Moscow “to accuse Georgia of
creating the catastrophic situation in the North Caucasus, for which Russia itself is to be blamed.”
“The propaganda noise stirred up by the Kremlin on the normalization and stabilization of the situation [in North Caucasus] has failed to cover up
the actually existing disastrous situation in the region, in particular, the fact that the conflict raging in the North Caucasus has entered its most
acute stage. The Kremlin is aware that its attempts to bring the situation under control are vain and [by] employing [already] tested Soviet methods
[it] tries to disguise its hopelessness by using the factor of external enemy,” the Foreign Ministry said.
It also said that this allegation against Georgia originated in “some fevered brains.”
“To meet its own imperialistic demands, the Kremlin will use any pretext in order to maximally [stir up] tension across the Georgian borders and
create a suitable background for carrying out military provocations against the peaceful democratic country,” the Georgian Foreign Ministry
said.
Undercover channel 4 reporters from the UK a few weeks back seemed to confirm that Russia were causing the problems in the caucasus regions. Footage
shown of interviews with ordinary familities being ethnic cleansed, especially the younger males.
[edit on 14-10-2009 by john124]
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reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 08:22 PM by john124
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FSB’s Linking of Tbilisi and Al Qaeda Latest Moscow Effort
to Avoid Facing Reality in the Caucasus
Markedonov points out, “Georgia has its own reasons to avoid any friendship with such structures” like Al Qaeda. That group’s agenda
would further threaten Georgia’s territorial integrity in the Pankisi Gorge and create new problems for Tbilisi all along Georgia’s northern
borders.
Officials in the Georgian capital certainly know “about the slogans of the North Caucasus salafites,” who in addition to being anti-Russian,
anti-Western, and anti-Semitic, are also to a certain extent “anti-Georgian.” For all these reasons, linking Georgia to Al Qaeda “seems very
problematic.” Without evidence, “it hangs in the air” and resembles “propaganda.”
Still worse, at least from Russia’s perspective, it reflects a continuing tendency “to ascribe [Russia’s] own failures and mistakes” to the
actions of shadowy foreign forces: Now, according to some, the US and Israel are directing “terrorism in Ingushetia; now, Georgia “is acquiring
the extent of a great super power with a truly powerful spy network.”
What Russia needs “instead of alarmist comments concerning espionage and provocatory actions of Georgia,” Markedonov says, is a willingness to
look “at the internal causes for the North Caucasus crisis” and to see that “[Russia’s] own corruption, bribe taking and privatization schemes
are much more dangerous than the intrigues of Al Qaeda.”
President Dmitry Medvedev suggested as much in his programmatic article, “Russia, Forward!” Markedonov argues. While suggesting that “crimes”
in the North Caucasus are “being committed with the support of international bandit groups,” Russians need to acknowledge that “the situation
would not be so sharp” if domestic conditions were better.
Unfortunately, the statement of the FSB director yesterday shows that many officials are unwilling to follow his lead and prefer instead to “make
Georgia into some kind of universal” bogey man “to whom it is possible to ascribe everything” and thus avoid taking any responsibility on
oneself.
That could prove disastrous, the Moscow analyst suggests, because “both the powers that be and citizens need a serious expert discussion about the
problems of the Caucasus, an open and honest exchange of opinions, and not conspiratorial competitions of professional patriots” of the kind now on
offer.
Only if Russia faces up to that reality in the North Caucasus now, rather than retreating into the ideological shibboleths of the Soviet past,
Markedonov concludes, can the powers that be in Moscow have any chance to cope and thereby “effectively stand up against the threats of the 21st
century.”
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 10:49 PM by Vitchilo
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Again...
Joint US-Georgia military exercises to begin on Monday
The United States and Georgia will begin military exercises on October 26 in preparation for sending troops to Afghanistan, a foreign liaison
officer in the US embassy in Tbilisi said on Saturday.
The US embassy on Friday said the exercises would begin on October 24.
"The program is specifically designed to enhance Georgia's ability to conduct joint counterinsurgency operations in Afghanistan together with US
forces," the embassy statement said on Friday.
The two-week joint military exercise, code-named Immediate Response, will be held in Georgia and will include training in counterterrorist operations.
US military instructors have already arrived at the Krtsanisi training center.
"We commend Georgia for its voluntary contribution of forces to the critical mission in Afghanistan," the US embassy said.
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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 06:40 AM by ArMaP
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I forgot to post this before.
Hollywood is recreating the 2008 Georgian war. It will be interesting to see how they present the situation, with Andy Garcia as Saakashvili.
Hollywood comes to Georgia
It was a case of deja vu for the residents of a small town in Georgia when a Hollywood crew turned up to make a film based on last year’s
Georgian-Russian war.
Using the same streets and settings, locals not only watched the unfolding drama but actively participated in the story set in the five day
conflict.
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reply posted on 7-11-2009 @ 07:45 PM by Vitchilo
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Russia spy chief warns of new Georgia war
Russian military intelligence believes Georgia might again attack South Ossetia, the pro-Moscow region over which the two countries fought a
war last year, a powerful spy chief said Thursday.
Alexander Shlyakhturov, who in April took over command of the military's Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU), said the situation was strained and
accused NATO countries of continuing to supply arms to Georgia.
"The situation with Georgia remains tense because the current Georgian authorities do not just refuse to recognise the sovereignty of Abkhazia and
South Ossetia, but are trying in every way to return these countries...to their jurisdiction," he said in a rare interview with state news agency
ITAR-TASS.
"You have to add to this the unpredictability of attempts by the Georgian leadership, headed by (President Mikheil) Saakashvili, which may give in to
temptation to use force to tame these obstinate republics as they did last year," he said.
"We do not rule out such a development," said Shlyakhturov, who controls Russia's biggest spy agency with agents across the globe and thousands of
special forces troops inside Russia.
So Russia still thinks that Georgia might go nuts over Ossetia and Abkhazia, Me thinks they have until a few months before the Sochi olympics in 2014.
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reply posted on 16-11-2009 @ 11:17 PM by john124
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Russians Claim Georgia Plans to Buy Sophisticated Weapons
from the U.S.
On November 9, as the Germans were celebrating the 20th anniversary of the unification of their homeland and the Western world was engaged in
jubilant festivities with the old and new leaders of Russia to commemorate the end of the Cold War, Moscow’s influential news agency ITAR-TASS broke
a truly sensational story. The U.S., according to ITAR-TASS, had offered Georgia arms and munitions worth more than $100 million.
The story was soon picked up by virtually the entire Russian media with various flashy headlines which stated that “according to Russian
intelligence, the United States has offered Georgia arms and munitions worth more than $100 million.”
According to ITAR-TASS, “in response to Tbilisi’s request for military aid” “a large set of weapons, military hardware and ammunition” is
planned to be delivered to Georgia by Chicago-based Barrington Alliance, Inc., “with the knowledge and approval of the U.S. government” but “not
directly by government agencies” themselves, and that an anonymous source from the Russian intelligence service told ITAR-TASS that the above
corporation “sent Georgia a proposal on the delivery of air-defense and antitank missile systems as well as machine guns and ammunition,” namely,
such sophisticated antiaircraft and antitank systems as Patriot-3, Stinger, Javelin and Hellfire-2.
To make its story more credible, ITAR-TASS claimed that the general staff of the armed forces of the Russian Federation confirmed the information
shared by the anonymous source with the news agency. In addition, the chief of Russia’s military intelligence, Aleksandr Shlyakhturov, informed
ITAR-TASS that “Georgia continues to receive armaments from NATO countries, Israel and Ukraine”
When reporting the same story on November 9, one of Russia’s most read Internet newspapers Gazeta.ru came up with this catchy headline “The
Russian Intelligence Services Accuse the United States of an Attempt to Sell Georgia Weapons Worth $100 Million,” which makes clear the most
important issue of Russia’s discontent – America’s close cooperation with a country Moscow wants to isolate.
The Georgian government swiftly responded to the story. Within hours, Georgia’s foreign ministry came out with a commentary neither denying nor
confirming the alleged arms deal with the United States. Rather, the department of press and information of the foreign ministry said in its statement
that “beside this announcement [alleging Georgia’s rearmament] Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Gregory Karasin recently stated that the United
States continues to provide weapons to Georgia and this compels us to take appropriate measures.”
In the same statement, Georgia requested from the Russian Federation that the latter “instead of commenting on the relations between other
countries, stop increasing its military potential in occupied Georgian territories, respect the principles and norms of international law…and
withdraw its troops from Georgian soil.”
Russia has long been trying to prevent the strengthening of Georgia’s military ties with other countries and first and foremost with the United
States, and it seems Moscow is deeply concerned that despite its tireless efforts Tbilisi’s cooperation with Washington has not receded. So far,
high-ranking American officials have claimed that American military assistance to Georgia has exclusively been in the form of training Georgian troops
and helping Tbilisi in strategic planning and logistics.
Nonetheless, Moscow looks alarmed by Washington’s pledge – as U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in Moscow – that it “will help the
Georgian people to feel like they can defend themselves.”
As U.S. Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs Alexander Vershbow also affirmed, “America wants to have Georgia as “a
strong, independent and sovereign partner that will be able to defend itself.”
Georgians believe that their defeat during Russia’s military aggression in August 2008 was mostly due to their county’s poor antiaircraft and
antitank capabilities. Furthermore, many think that had Georgia been better prepared militarily, Russia would not have resorted to war in the first
place fearing high costs and mass casualties. Nevertheless, if Georgia indeed plans to buy the above-mentioned sophisticated American systems, they
must be viewed as just one way of preventing Russian military aggression in the future.
Without becoming a full member of the Western collective security system with all the political, military and diplomatic assurances it entails, even a
well-armed Georgia will hardly be able to prevent war with Russia and secure its sovereignty, territorial integrity and foreign-policy orientation in
the long run.
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