Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

750 troops being trained by Americans. When the training is complete, that's 750 American trained Georgian troops retraining 750 Georgian platoons.

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I totally know about Russian agressions and insanities that took place in the Soviet Union.

Russia 2009 is not Soviet Union 1940.

Anyway.

A bunch of news...

Georgia refuses entry to two Russian journalists

Georgian border guards refused on Wednesday to let in two Russian journalists, who were travelling as part of a delegation representing a public commission on the consequences of last year's Russia-Georgia conflict.

RIA Novosti's CIS and Baltic States Department chief, Alan Kasayev, who is a member of the delegation, was allowed into the country but said Maxim Shevchenko, an anchorman for Russia's Channel 1 TV, and Vladimir Mamontov, the editor-in-chief of the Izvestiya newspaper, were not allowed through passport control on arrival at Tbilisi airport. [...] "The actions of Georgia's border control have cast serious doubts as to whether social dialogue can continue, as this delegation is the only instrument that exists today to alleviate Georgian-Russian relations," Kasayev said.

Abkhaz court sentences Georgian spy to 19 years in prison

The Abkhazian Supreme Court has sentenced a resident of Abkhazia, convicted of spying for Georgia, to 19 years imprisonment, a national newspaper said on Wednesday.

Diana Shedania was arrested in September 2008 in possession of photos and videos of military installations in the former Georgian republic. She was sentenced on August 20 however, the report of the ruling has only just been released.

She will serve her sentence in a minimum-security prison, the Ekho Abkhazia paper said.

Abkhazia to fire upon Georgian ships violating its border

Abkhazia's president has ordered that force be used against Georgian vessels violating the former Georgian republic's maritime border, the Abkhazian foreign minister said on Wednesday.

Sergei Shamba said in an interview with RIA Novosti that Abkhazia was ready to resort to force and the order had been given "to open fire on Georgian ships if they continue their acts of piracy."

Georgia shrugs off Abkhazian president's threat to fire on ships

Georgia's deputy prime minister dismissed on Wednesday the Abkhazian president's order to fire upon any Georgian ship violating the maritime border of Abkhazia as a "pre-election bluff." [...]"First of all, they have no technical means to destroy ships, and moreover it is not his [Bagapsh's] business. It looks more like a pre-election bluff," Temur Yakobashvili said, adding that "if someone is capable of destroying vessels, then it is Russia."

He also said Georgia would continue to seize ships that violate the borders of what it calls occupied territories.

They are setting themselves up for war.

I just want to find out when those Russians ships will be in position to protect Abkhazian ships, or if Russia will give/sell ground-to-sea missiles to Abkhazia and see which one back down first.

Russia warns Georgia against Abkhaz 'sea blockade'

MOSCOW — A Russian official has warned Georgia that attempts to block ships from reaching a Moscow-aligned separatist region of Georgia could end in military intervention.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Andrei Nesterenko did not make any specific threats in televised comments Thursday but said that "attempts to install a sea blockade" on Abkhazia "could lead to a serious armed incident."

Separatist authorities say Georgia has halted 23 ships in Black Sea waters near Abkhazia this year. Georgia claims they entered the region illegally.

A Georgian court sentenced a Turkish cargo ship captain to 24 years in prison Monday for smuggling and border violations.

Abkhazia and South Ossetia claimed independence after last year's Russia-Georgia war.

Abkhazia threatens Georgian ships as possibility of Black Sea naval skirmish rises

Sergey Bagapsh, president of the Russian-backed statelet of Abkhazia, warned on Wednesday his tiny navy would "destroy" any Georgian vessels straying into Abkhaz territorial waters.

His dramatic threat followed Georgia's recent seizure of several cargo vessels on their way to and from Abkhazia. In an interview with Russian news agency Interfax, Mr Bagapsh described the seizures as "piracy," requiring what he called an "adequate response."

Georgia contends it's well within its rights to seize such vessels. It does not recognize Abkhazia's independence (only Russia and Nicaragua do) and insists it should retain control of sea traffic in the area.

Though analysts say a full blown war between Russia and Georgia of the kind fought in 2008 is unlikely anytime soon, such fiery rhetoric heightens the risk of fresh clashes between the two countries.

Russia regards itself as the sole guarantor of Abkhazia's security and has signed a number of agreements with the breakaway region, giving the Russian military a free hand in the area.

Experts estimate Abkhazia's navy numbers not more than half a dozen vessels.

In practice, they say, Russian vessels sailing under an Abkhaz flag would be likely to get involved in any standoffs.

Abkhazia was one of two Georgian breakaway regions (the other being South Ossetia) to have declared its independence after last summer's war between Russia and Georgia.

With the future of Russia's Black Sea Fleet base in Ukraine still uncertain, some Russian politicians have spoken of Abkhazia as a possible alternative.

Moscow has also handed the separatist region an important role in readying the nearby Black Sea Russian city of Sochi for the 2014 winter Olympics.

Not only Russian sources for this now, there's plenty of western sources as shown here. Both sides refuse to back down, I'd say there's going to be another war. Depending on perspective either side could be setting this up, as this is too risky to be only a show of strength.

[edit on 3-9-2009 by john124]

Thanks Johnsky for the updates. Yeah if it was just Georgia-Russia, i wouldn't mind much... but there's AMERICAN MILITARY in the area that could be killed, and that is what concerns me.

Russian cab driver admits spying for Georgia

A Russian cab driver admitted spying for Georgia during his trial at a Supreme Court in Russia's southern republic of North Ossetia, a source in the court said on Thursday.

News for today!

Georgia opens check point at border with Russia

The Kazbegi checkpoint was built as part of a program to ensure Georgian border security and sponsored by the U.S. government. The construction of the outpost led by a team of U.S. Army engineers involved $2.4 million of investment. [...] "Georgia is ready to reopen the road if Russia agrees to do so. I am also ready to discuss the issue with Russia. As for us, we are ready to open the road both for freight and passenger carriage," Mikheil Saakashvili said.

It's weird. On one side, Saakasvilli is basically saying ``death to Russia!`` and on the other, we're ready to open roads to Russia... WTF? Saakasvilli is bi-polar...


NATO air defense drills begin in the Baltics

NATO states will start in the Baltic states on Tuesday a series of air defense exercises involving Czech fighter jets, the Estonian Defense Ministry said.

The two-day drills are focused on improving air interoperability and developing NATO air forces' capabilities in defending the air space over the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

Probably nothing there...

Chávez pleases Russia by recognising Georgian breakaway republics

Venezuela today recognised the independence of Georgia's two breakaway republics of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, in an unexpected move that delighted Russia but provoked a vituperative response from Georgia.

President Hugo Chávez announced during a visit to Moscow that "from today" Venezuela regarded both republics as independent. He said Caracas would swiftly move to establish diplomatic relations.

His decision is a rare triumph for Russian diplomatic efforts to drum up support for the two republics, so far only recognised by Russia. It comes after Chávez arrived in Moscow seeking to buy more military hardware from Russia, but seemingly without the funds to pay for it.

Of course in return-

Georgia dismisses Chavez recognition of rebels

TBILISI (Reuters) - Georgia said on Thursday that Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez's recognition of two Moscow-backed rebel regions was made under Russian pressure and would not provide the "puppet regimes" in the enclaves with legitimacy.

"Russia has been trying for a year to provide these puppet regimes with legitimacy," Georgian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Nalbandov told Reuters. "These attempts have been in vain."

"It should be clear to the Russian side that such actions won't add legitimacy to these puppet regimes," he added.

Diplomatic-tit-for-tat

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Chavez said all other countries would follow into line and recognise these regions as independent. Hmmm, I don't think he can be serious!

Anyway, Chavez only recognised this so he could buy the tanks he wants on the cheap. It's just a Russian bribe to satisfy both Putin and Chavez, seems the Russian's haven't changed a lot!

Think Putin or Mendev are retards? They do not want anothe Checnya.

If Russia do decide to do anything, it will be swift and descisive, The short war (one sided as it was) last year, proved Georgia, even with advanced training and arms for the USA and Israel, could not stand up to Russian reserves with old hardware! Sure there was a small contingent of Spetsnaz, but they were more tasked with capturing intel, boy did they capture it by the truck load lol.

Now imagine if Russia move just one modern equipped main army battallion into the region! They could decimate Georgia 10 times over in ONE day! As for the US troops there, they will do as last year and run like cowards, if any do get captured or killed, the USA being the cowards they are (only picking on third world nations, but still getting handed by taliban on camels rofl), they would cover it up and make it as if there was no USA personnel there in the first place.

Israel really wants Russia and China tied up so they can attack Iran at will, but given Putin has proved to be a master general against the NWO's tacticks so far, what makes you think he will drag his country into a long and drawn out war with a small nation as Georgia?

Nicaragua signs deal on diplomatic ties with ex-Georgian republic

MOSCOW, September 11 (RIA Novosti) - Nicaragua and the former Georgian republic of Abkhazia have signed an agreement on establishing diplomatic relations, Nicaraguan media reported.

The Central American country recognized the independence of Abkhazia, along with Georgia's other breakaway republic, South Ossetia, following Russia's example after its conflict with Georgia in August 2008.

On Thursday, Venezuela joined Russia and Nicaragua in recognizing Abkhazia and South Ossetia as sovereign states, a move condemned by Georgia, which considers the republics part of its territory.

Abkhazia and Nicaragua establish diplomatic relations

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There would not be a drawn out war between Russia and Georgia. Georgia maintains a conventional army lead by an ignorant leader. If another war broke out, Russia would head straight for Tblisi again and they would not stop this time. By the time they get there, Sakashvilli will either be seeking asylum in the US or dead from choking on another tie. Georgian military (aside from maybe some loyalists and special forces) does not have the capacity to survive without its destroyed logistics and structure and Georgia would probably fall within a month, if not weeks, easily.

I dont believe Russia has any interest in occupying all of Georgia. They would maintain order in the Capitol for a year or less, until an emergency election or something can be held.

Good for Chavez for recognising the Independant Revoltionary Forces of Abkhazia and S. Ossetia, I do believe at least a dozen other nations will join suite within a years time.

Our country or USA probably houses more former dictators and exiled puppets than any other developed industrail country, so the Georgian president would be safe here, but not forever.

Of course it will be as bit of a pain to renegotiate hundreds of large scale trade contracts with Western States.

Lets play it by ear from here.

Originally posted by DYepes
Our country or USA probably houses more former dictators and exiled puppets than any other developed industrail country, so the Georgian president would be safe here, but not forever.

I could see FoxNews giving him a show.. or at least a comfy seat on "FOX & Friends" or next to Sean Hannity (if you consider that comfortable). What we really need is show starring Saakashvili, Bush, and maybe... Blair, and we'll call it, "The Puppet Show" or something like that. I digress.

Somewhat current news that I neglected to post here-

Georgia takes aim at Russia's 2014 Winter Olympics

* Games to be held 20 km (12 miles) from rebel Abkhazia

* Georgia recalls 1980 protest over Soviet Afghan invasion

* Abkhazia hopes to provide building materials, housing

TBILISI, Sept 9 (Reuters) - Defeated by Russia in war, Georgia says it wants to force a boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics in the Russian resort of Sochi near the Moscow-backed rebel region of Abkhazia.

The ex-Soviet republic, its military routed in five August days last year, hopes to emulate the U.S.-led partial boycott of the 1980 Moscow Olympics after the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, which saw dozens of countries refuse participation.

Isn't that nice? Saakashvili will be able to see the Olympics from his backyard.

Like people care about Georgia.

If people didn't care about China disgusting human rights record...why would they care about Georgia?

Anyway...

Georgia outraged by Abkhazia joining world business organization

A Georgian opposition MP threatened Abkhazia with sanctions on Monday following the former Georgian republic's move to join the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC).

Media reported last week that Abkhazia's Chamber of Commerce became on September 8 a member of the world business organization whose aim is to resolve the most urgent business problems.

They join that and it's over. Georgia will have lost forever.

Russia signs military cooperation deals with Abkhazia, S.Ossetia

Russian military bases are expected to be located in Gudauta, Abkhazia, and Tskhinvali, South Ossetia. Each base will most likely host up to 1,700 servicemen, T-62 tanks, light armored vehicles, S-300 air defense systems and various aircraft.

S-300s? They are serious...

Russia to detain any ship violating Abkhazia's maritime border

Russian border guards will detain all vessels that violate Abkhazia's maritime border, a senior border guards official said on Tuesday. [...] Russia's Defense Ministry has said it plans to open a base in Gudauta, in the west of Abkhazia, and staff it with at least 1,500 personnel by the end of this year.

EDIT:
Medvedev says ties with Georgia could resume after Saakashvili
Totally agree with that since Saakashvili is a nutjob.

Oh boy...
Georgia challenges Russia to detain its ships in Abkhaz waters

Georgia said on Tuesday it would resist any attempts by Russia to detain its ships in the waters of its former province of Abkhazia.[...] The Georgian Foreign Ministry condemned the Russian statement and said it would not tolerate any attempts to detain its ships.

In a statement Georgia said, it "is determined to block any pirate-like actions on the Russian side by all legal, diplomatic and political methods available."

It stressed that in accordance with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, Abkhazia's 12-mile maritime zone, as well as the special zone and continental shelf, is part of Georgia.

They talk the talk...but do they walk the walk?

[edit on 15-9-2009 by Vitchilo]

This video makes interesting viewing :

Dr Zbigniew Brzezinski at the 7th IISS Global Strategic Review ,on friday 11th September.

It touches on very many issues , Russia included and is therefore quite lengthy. It is not Russ/Georgia specific, but does go into the envisioned plans for future Russian/US relationships.

Link

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[edit on 15-9-2009 by Gun Totin Gerbil]

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Total one-sided biased stories from Russian media will make it look like Georgia want this.

[edit on 16-9-2009 by john124]

Interesting news story, relevant to this thread i believe....

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Obama administration will scrap the controversial missile defense shield program in Eastern Europe, a senior administration official confirmed to CNN Thursday.
www.cnn.com...

More news:

Russia says Georgia still seeks to regain ex-republics by force

Tbilisi is still counting on using force to regain control over its former republics of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Friday. [...]"Tense discussions in two working groups on security and humanitarian issues showed that in the place of constructive work the Georgian side prefers a futile politicized stance, designed to restore by force the territorial integrity of Georgia lost as a result of its own aggression against South Ossetia," the statement reads.

Can someone please take out this tie eating loonatik Sackof#villi out. Russia should send spetznaz to tbelisi put him on a plane back to united states and be done with it. We could go back to being friends with the georgians they are very much part of russian culture. There are more then 1 million georgians living in russia right now.