this is fascinating, anyone know any other sites, are the stones viewable by the public, has this been proven a hoax yet?
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Topic started on 8-1-2003 @ 03:41 PM by Gazrok
First, here's a link:
paranormal.about.com...
While I'm sure this has probably been raised here before, this is the first I've heard of such a thing (so I apologize for not seeing an earlier thread). I wanted to get some people's take on it, hoax? or just plain weird?
Summary (in case you don't want to go to the link): Over 700 9" stone disks found in Chinese caves that look like records, but the grooves are actually microscopic heiroglyphcs, that were translated as being the story of crashed aliens...
paranormal.about.com...
While I'm sure this has probably been raised here before, this is the first I've heard of such a thing (so I apologize for not seeing an earlier thread). I wanted to get some people's take on it, hoax? or just plain weird?
Summary (in case you don't want to go to the link): Over 700 9" stone disks found in Chinese caves that look like records, but the grooves are actually microscopic heiroglyphcs, that were translated as being the story of crashed aliens...
reply posted on 9-1-2003 @ 12:42 PM by xaos
another chinese paranormal thing is here:
www.cityweekend.com.cn...
this is a real journalistic site, not some teenager writing b.s.
XAOS
www.cityweekend.com.cn...
this is a real journalistic site, not some teenager writing b.s.
XAOS
reply posted on 9-1-2003 @ 01:47 PM by Byrd
The pyramid is real, but someone here(William OneSac?) has seen it and says it's being misrepresnted.
The Dropa Stones are hoaxes. You can't translate something without a base for the code (a plate or table of ancient Chinese characters that copy a text from one language to the other; the Rosetta Stone.) With just little scrawls of hieroglyphs, you don't know if they represent syllables (ala Egyptian) or whole words (Chinese/Japanese) or some combination or individual letters (English). You can't even guess how many letters total are in the language (we hardly use Z or Q or X in our manuscripts, but they're letters in our language).
There's lots of other problems with the story that indicate it's a real hoax. Including the problem that "Tsum Um Nui " (the name of the Chinese Professor) isn't a Chinese name. Or a name in any other language.
And there's no tribe named the Dropa in Tibet or any other Himalayan area.
And Beijing University doesn't have an "Academy of Prehistory" (nor does any other university in China)
www.geocities.com...
And you can't test stones with an oscilloscope. That's just silly.
The Dropa Stones are hoaxes. You can't translate something without a base for the code (a plate or table of ancient Chinese characters that copy a text from one language to the other; the Rosetta Stone.) With just little scrawls of hieroglyphs, you don't know if they represent syllables (ala Egyptian) or whole words (Chinese/Japanese) or some combination or individual letters (English). You can't even guess how many letters total are in the language (we hardly use Z or Q or X in our manuscripts, but they're letters in our language).
There's lots of other problems with the story that indicate it's a real hoax. Including the problem that "Tsum Um Nui " (the name of the Chinese Professor) isn't a Chinese name. Or a name in any other language.
And there's no tribe named the Dropa in Tibet or any other Himalayan area.
And Beijing University doesn't have an "Academy of Prehistory" (nor does any other university in China)
www.geocities.com...
And you can't test stones with an oscilloscope. That's just silly.
reply posted on 14-12-2004 @ 10:48 AM by Off_The_Street
“This one plate, dated to be between 10,000 and 12,000 years old - older by far than the great pyramids of Egypt - was fantastic enough, but the
wonder was multiplied manyfold.”
My wonder is how they dated it. If the disks were stone, then it’s obvious that C-14 dating wasn’t used, and 10000 to 12000 years is too close for most radionucleides. So, where does the author get the date information?
“In all, 716 such plates were found. And each held an incredible secret. The groove, upon further inspection, was not a groove at all, but a continuous line of strange carved hieroglyphics - writing! The tiny, almost microscopic characters were in a language never encountered before. It wasn't until 1962 that another Chinese scientist… Dr. Tsum Um Nui…”
That is not a Han name. It is made up by someone who doesn’t understand how Chinese names work.
“… the groove turned out to be an unknown hieroglyphic.”
And, of course, there are no pictures of this unknown hieroglyphic, or of the four-foot-tall weenies who were supposed to have written them, or any discussion at all on the methodology that Dr. Dumalatcher used.
“The writing was so small he had to use a magnifying glass to see it clearly. But the stones were old….”
Think about it. If these little guys had the technology to fly a spaceship around and make exactly precise writings that are almost microscopic is size – why wouldn’t they have inscribed them on glass or metal? Using stone to write on, especially if you’re a high-tech culture, makes no sense at all.
“Eventually, he began to make progress. A word emerged. Then another. A phrase became understandable, then an entire sentence. He had broken the code….”
But there’s no discussion whatsoever about the code, or how he broke it or if the language was diagrammatic or positional or any of those things. Hmmmm.
“Dr. Tsum Um Nui's findings were eventually published, however….”
And how convenient! They “forgot” to tell us where it was published.
“In either case, his translation and his theory were met with ridicule by the archaeology establishment.”
A-HA! If the “archaeology establishment” ridiculed it, that means it was actually published in an archaeology journal, right?
Well, which one? When? Which Issue?
“In 1968, the Dropa stones came to the attention of W. Saitsew, a Russian scientist who re-published the findings of Tsum Um Nui….”
And the name of the journals which he “re-published” them in? Hmmm! It seems that the author “forgot” to tell us that, too! And, by the way, “Saitsew” is certainly not a Russian name.
“…and conducted tests on the disks that revealed some very peculiar properties. Physically, the granite stones contained high concentrations of cobalt and other metals - a very hard stone indeed that would have made it difficult for the primitive people to carve the lettering, especially with such minute characters. When testing a disk with an oscillograph, a surprising oscillation rhythm was recorded as if, the scientists said, they had once been electrically charged or had functioned as electrical conductors.”
Rubbish “science”. Granite doesn’t have high concentration of cobalt or any other metals. If you go to www.granite-sandstone.com... , you can see the makeup, as shown below.
Granite is primarily composed of feldspar, quartz along with various other minerals in varying percentage, which are stated as follows:
Nominal chemical composition of various oxides
Silica(SiO2) ---------------------- 70-77%
Alumina(Al2O3) ----------------- 11- 14%
Potassium Oxide(P2O5) -------- 3 – 5%
Soda(Na2O) ---------------------- 3 – 5%
Lime -------------------------------- 1%
Iron(Fe2O3) ----------------------- 1-2%
Iron(FeO) -------------------------- 1 – 3%
Magnesia(Mg0) ------------------ 0.5 – 1%
Titina ------------------------------- Less than 1%(.38%)
Water(H2O) ---------------------- 0.03%
Note that the iron, magnesia, alumina, etc, are NOT metals, but OXIDES.
And there is no test to determine if something had once been electrically charged or used as an electrical conductor by measuring its vibration. Vibration frequency is a function of makeup and size.
“Whatever their true nature, origin, or meaning, the Dropa stones present an intriguing puzzle for archaeologists and anthropologists.”
Actually the only “puzzle” is why someone would put together such a clumsy hoax.
My wonder is how they dated it. If the disks were stone, then it’s obvious that C-14 dating wasn’t used, and 10000 to 12000 years is too close for most radionucleides. So, where does the author get the date information?
“In all, 716 such plates were found. And each held an incredible secret. The groove, upon further inspection, was not a groove at all, but a continuous line of strange carved hieroglyphics - writing! The tiny, almost microscopic characters were in a language never encountered before. It wasn't until 1962 that another Chinese scientist… Dr. Tsum Um Nui…”
That is not a Han name. It is made up by someone who doesn’t understand how Chinese names work.
“… the groove turned out to be an unknown hieroglyphic.”
And, of course, there are no pictures of this unknown hieroglyphic, or of the four-foot-tall weenies who were supposed to have written them, or any discussion at all on the methodology that Dr. Dumalatcher used.
“The writing was so small he had to use a magnifying glass to see it clearly. But the stones were old….”
Think about it. If these little guys had the technology to fly a spaceship around and make exactly precise writings that are almost microscopic is size – why wouldn’t they have inscribed them on glass or metal? Using stone to write on, especially if you’re a high-tech culture, makes no sense at all.
“Eventually, he began to make progress. A word emerged. Then another. A phrase became understandable, then an entire sentence. He had broken the code….”
But there’s no discussion whatsoever about the code, or how he broke it or if the language was diagrammatic or positional or any of those things. Hmmmm.
“Dr. Tsum Um Nui's findings were eventually published, however….”
And how convenient! They “forgot” to tell us where it was published.
“In either case, his translation and his theory were met with ridicule by the archaeology establishment.”
A-HA! If the “archaeology establishment” ridiculed it, that means it was actually published in an archaeology journal, right?
Well, which one? When? Which Issue?
“In 1968, the Dropa stones came to the attention of W. Saitsew, a Russian scientist who re-published the findings of Tsum Um Nui….”
And the name of the journals which he “re-published” them in? Hmmm! It seems that the author “forgot” to tell us that, too! And, by the way, “Saitsew” is certainly not a Russian name.
“…and conducted tests on the disks that revealed some very peculiar properties. Physically, the granite stones contained high concentrations of cobalt and other metals - a very hard stone indeed that would have made it difficult for the primitive people to carve the lettering, especially with such minute characters. When testing a disk with an oscillograph, a surprising oscillation rhythm was recorded as if, the scientists said, they had once been electrically charged or had functioned as electrical conductors.”
Rubbish “science”. Granite doesn’t have high concentration of cobalt or any other metals. If you go to www.granite-sandstone.com... , you can see the makeup, as shown below.
Granite is primarily composed of feldspar, quartz along with various other minerals in varying percentage, which are stated as follows:
Nominal chemical composition of various oxides
Silica(SiO2) ---------------------- 70-77%
Alumina(Al2O3) ----------------- 11- 14%
Potassium Oxide(P2O5) -------- 3 – 5%
Soda(Na2O) ---------------------- 3 – 5%
Lime -------------------------------- 1%
Iron(Fe2O3) ----------------------- 1-2%
Iron(FeO) -------------------------- 1 – 3%
Magnesia(Mg0) ------------------ 0.5 – 1%
Titina ------------------------------- Less than 1%(.38%)
Water(H2O) ---------------------- 0.03%
Note that the iron, magnesia, alumina, etc, are NOT metals, but OXIDES.
And there is no test to determine if something had once been electrically charged or used as an electrical conductor by measuring its vibration. Vibration frequency is a function of makeup and size.
“Whatever their true nature, origin, or meaning, the Dropa stones present an intriguing puzzle for archaeologists and anthropologists.”
Actually the only “puzzle” is why someone would put together such a clumsy hoax.
reply posted on 14-12-2004 @ 11:52 AM by Jadette
Someone has already done some research here:
ufos.about.com...
He tried to find the original source of the story.
He tried to find any legitimate reference to any of the people named in the articles. He could not.
ufos.about.com...
He tried to find the original source of the story.
He tried to find any legitimate reference to any of the people named in the articles. He could not.
reply posted on 14-12-2004 @ 11:53 AM by Indigo_Child
I wouldn't dismiss this case yet. Yes, it is hard finding the evidence, but that is also because it's 70 years old and there is a claimed Chinese
government cover-up. Apparently there is some truth to this case. It is not an internet legend, that's for sure.
Hopefully, someone can verify or falsify the following:
Russian philologist Dr. Viatcheslav Zaitsev in 1968 published the extracts from the stone-plate story in the Sputnik Magazine.
In 1974, an Austrian engineer, Ernst Wegerer, photograpghed the dropa disks in the Banpo Museum at Xian and photographed them.
The supposed disks that were photographed are:
In 1978 a writer David Agamon wrote a book called "Sungods in exile" written as a documentary on the expeditions of 1947 by a British scientist called Karyl Robins who visisted the Bayan-Kara-Ula mountains regions and found a dwarfish people there called the "Dropa" or "Dzopa"
This existence of a dwarfish race of people was corroborrated in November 1995 by AP(Associated press) where the tallest was 3 feet 10 in and the smallest 2 feet 1 inches. Scientists believe this to be part of their DNA.
The Chinese authorities have claimed, what they call "the village of the dwarfs" actually exists, and a strange tribe of people live there, but the region is not open to foreingers.
Apparently, there also exists Chinese pyramids in the region, an entire city of them.
Well at least one aspect of this story seems confirmed, that there do indeed exist a people called the DROPA that are a strange race of dwarf beings.
As regards to the mysterious Chi Pu Tei, the german author and researcher, Hartwig Hausdorf, has the following to say:
Source: www.inquiring-mines.com...
[edit on 14-12-2004 by Indigo_Child]
Hopefully, someone can verify or falsify the following:
Russian philologist Dr. Viatcheslav Zaitsev in 1968 published the extracts from the stone-plate story in the Sputnik Magazine.
In 1974, an Austrian engineer, Ernst Wegerer, photograpghed the dropa disks in the Banpo Museum at Xian and photographed them.
The supposed disks that were photographed are:
In 1978 a writer David Agamon wrote a book called "Sungods in exile" written as a documentary on the expeditions of 1947 by a British scientist called Karyl Robins who visisted the Bayan-Kara-Ula mountains regions and found a dwarfish people there called the "Dropa" or "Dzopa"
This existence of a dwarfish race of people was corroborrated in November 1995 by AP(Associated press) where the tallest was 3 feet 10 in and the smallest 2 feet 1 inches. Scientists believe this to be part of their DNA.
The Chinese authorities have claimed, what they call "the village of the dwarfs" actually exists, and a strange tribe of people live there, but the region is not open to foreingers.
Apparently, there also exists Chinese pyramids in the region, an entire city of them.
Well at least one aspect of this story seems confirmed, that there do indeed exist a people called the DROPA that are a strange race of dwarf beings.
As regards to the mysterious Chi Pu Tei, the german author and researcher, Hartwig Hausdorf, has the following to say:
There was much criticism on Tsu Um Nui's person. Skeptics said, that the name of the Professor does not exist in Chinese language, neither in Mandarin nor in Canton Chinese. But in my book "Satelliten der Gotter" (Satellites of the Gods), co-authored by Peter Krass, we could point out from where the name was originating. A friend's wife, born in Singapore and speaking fluently Japanese, told us, that Tsum Um Nui is a former Japanese name, but adapted to Chinese language. Now think about German immigrants in America: Their former names was Herr Schmid now their name is adapted to Mr. Smith. Consequently Japan was the right place for the Professor to retire from his enervating defeat in China.
Source: www.inquiring-mines.com...
[edit on 14-12-2004 by Indigo_Child]
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