Why do many Europeans overwhelmingly prefer Obama?

Originally posted by nyk537

Originally posted by buddhasystem
Politics (real politics, not the stoopid swaggering cowboy kind) can be a subtle business, and when properly practiced, can indeed make us safer.

And when improperly practiced, (such as Obama would do), can leave us open and vulnerable to attack and defeat.

You still failed to define "improper". You seem to understand only the "bring them on!" kind of politics, but that's your problem.

You also neglected to comment on the other point I made about him pulling our nuclear deterrents. How would that make us safer if our enemies knew we would not retaliate fiercely?

(a) I didn't read his comments on nuclear deterrrents (b) and still, I doubt that anybody doubts that America will retaliate

If he spend all these trillions on kisses and roses, this could have been a money better spent.

My heart goes out to you.

Oh don't pity me, your heart should go out to families of soldiers who lost their lives in this ill-conceived adventure in the ME, which made our potential adversary, Iran, stronger than before, all at the taxpeyers expense.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
The same reason that pro players like certain coaches. Europe will be able to roll over Obama something they could not do to Bush.

Oh please...

I doubt Europe wants to roll over anybody. If you mean that Obama is less likely to conduct some new illegal military operation overseas, that's not Europe "rolling over" the US.

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On that we agree!


I believe it is incredibly scary how people continue to believe that politics is about sound bites and posturing. Those things DO play a part, but politics is also about "sound reasoning" which can be validated.

In my line of work we deal with Encryption Algorithms. If one of these cannot be fully disclosed and openly attacked, then it is worthless.

This is why Obama is doing so well actually. Regardless of whether you like him or not, or if you believe him or not, he DOES seek to promote the impression of being transparent and rational. And he doesn't come off as an idiot.

I'm not saying he is or isn't, I'm talking about how he comes off. GWB always came off as an idiot. Personally I don't know if he is or not, but he always SOUNDED that way. What I want in a President, is a persona that the American People and World Leaders respect and have admiration for.

I do NOT want a President who is feared. Fear is quite possibly *the* worst emotion a leader can inspire in his/her constituency. I want a President who inspires Hope, and belief in a better tomorrow.

I am not a democrat nor am I a republican. I think they both have very valid ideas in their platforms. However I am voting Obama, because, he inspires me to work hard to make this nation a unified and respected superpower again.

I realize there will always be haters in the global community, but what I want is an America that the whole world looks to as being the most JUST, REASONABLE, and GLOBALLY MORAL Pluarlistic Democracy in the world.

Personally I have always felt that was a pipe dream, until Obama spoke in 2004. At that moment I said "That man should run for president! We need more orators such as him".


Believe me, if Obama was a republican, I'd still vote for him.



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I think some of these other countries better worry about making change in their own country. In England, cops can't even tell a girl to pick up litter without getting whipped by a mob. Let's be honest, majority of the world, including Americans, don't even know what the candidates stand for. Most people favor somebody cause they like them or because the candidate has promised something that will benefit that individual. . Seldom do these people do their own research on the issues. That's what I like about this site. No matter who you are or aren't for, you can always find some good research material here.

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Good point Jam.

I do however think that the image of the US President abroad is a contributing factor, at least for me, on what kind of President a candidate would be.

In this case, this specific article comes on the heels of a touted trip abroad for Obama, and so it's timely commentary.



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Great, now europe is brainwashed by Obama! They are in love with his teleprompter reading...All this "change" he is promising, what kind of "change"? i guess we will just have to find out, i "hope" not the hard way.

they like obama because it is better for the European economy .. and this is way.

It will lead to a weaker dollar ..
It will lead to a stronger euro ..
It will lead to opec nations to switch from dollar to the euro in there oil trading.
The last will lead for hyper inflation so Europe will become even more powerful over USA.

only problem with that is that Europe after ward will become over run by people who are currently already trying to change our freedom.. like the freedom of speech.. example Netherlands , Danmark. with the Fitna movie and the cartoons.

This is why Obama is doing so well actually. Regardless of whether you like him or not, or if you believe him or not, he DOES seek to promote the impression of being transparent and rational. And he doesn't come off as an idiot.

He comes off as idiot to me and I too work with encryption algorithms. My last project happened to be doing encrypted web services for the Department of Defense.

Europeans are more liberal than the US ever was or has been. They always go for the liberal President in any election.

It is why they are a union and we are still a free nation. We are heading to a union though, especially if Obama gets elected.

This is why Obama is doing so well actually. Regardless of whether you like him or not, or if you believe him or not, he DOES seek to promote the impression of being transparent and rational. And he doesn't come off as an idiot.

He comes off as idiot to me and I too work with encryption algorithms. My last project happened to be doing encrypted web services for the Department of Defense.

Europeans are more liberal than the US ever was or has been. They always go for the liberal President in any election.

It is why they are a union and we are still a free nation. We are heading to a union though, especially if Obama gets elected.

Easy answer to the OP's question.

Europe likes Obama because he is their kind of socialist.

Originally posted by jetxnet

This is why Obama is doing so well actually. Regardless of whether you like him or not, or if you believe him or not, he DOES seek to promote the impression of being transparent and rational. And he doesn't come off as an idiot.

He comes off as idiot to me and I too work with encryption algorithms. My last project happened to be doing encrypted web services for the Department of Defense.

Europeans are more liberal than the US ever was or has been. They always go for the liberal President in any election.

It is why they are a union and we are still a free nation. We are heading to a union though, especially if Obama gets elected.

Uhm... We are a Union... do you recall "In order to form a more perfect Union".

Which side won the civil war? The Union.

What are you talking about? It appears that you are not even familiar with some of the basic elements of our government.

Originally posted by Quazga
...Obama isn't anywhere near anything we have seen in "the pattern" of Presidents of recent memory.

I really don't know what KoolAid you've been drinking but dude, you are starting to scare me.
But I guess you do make a point because Obama is an opportunistic, arrogant liar who either throws you under the bus or throws a temper tantrum everytime anyone criticizes him or his wife.
So this narcissistic, inexperienced and immature personality must be the change he is talking about.

Give it time, the honeymoon with Obama will soon be over.

He's hip, he's cool, he can speak without am lisp...hey let's make him our potus.

Originally posted by Alxandro
So this narcissistic, inexperienced and immature personality must be the change he is talking about.

Guess what, when the pickings are slim, he'll have to do!

Look, GWB was born into privilege and at some point became a coke-snorting manager of a baseball team. If you think this exudes maturity, I can't help you. And don't get me started on the "narcissistic" --- this reminds me of the "decider" and "bring'em on'er".

Just exactly what "experience" helped the current gang of "conservatives" to almost ruin this country, huh?

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Alxandro
So this narcissistic, inexperienced and immature personality must be the change he is talking about.

Guess what, when the pickings are slim, he'll have to do!

Look, GWB was born into privilege and at some point became a coke-snorting manager of a baseball team. If you think this exudes maturity, I can't help you. And don't get me started on the "narcissistic" --- this reminds me of the "decider" and "bring'em on'er".

Just exactly what "experience" helped the current gang of "conservatives" to almost ruin this country, huh?

You bring up a great point BuddhaSystem.

In my mind it it plays out like this. I want someone who is NOT experienceed in washington. Einstein once said that you can't use the same mindset that got you into the problem to get you out of the problem.

What some are calling Obamas "Lack of Experience" is to me a "Lack of brainwashing" And I am voting for him specifically because of this.

Eventually those detractors who use this tired attempt at pulling him down will realize that it is in fact his greatest strength in the eyes of most of his supporters.

You know, I think we have had maybe 3 posts which actually attempted to answer the question of the topic.


Why does Europe love Obama?

I'll answer it. They like him cause he is the latest sensation or should I say the latest fad. Obama is in David Hasselhoff is out. Also because he has yet to sign off on any bills as President. Once he signs a bill that doesn't meet European taste, you will see a different perspective. Happens to the best of them.

I believe Europe loves Obama because they hope to see the US fail. Just a short couple of months ago they were thrilled at the prospect of our currency failing.

They're already in the clutches of fascism, and they'd like nothing better than to see Obama lead us down the same path. As they say: Misery Love Company..

[edit on 23-7-2008 by LLoyd45]

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Actually, it appears to be completely different from your anti-european (and thus anti-western) perspective.

Here is a quote from the article:

After eight years of unilateral “my way or the highway” George Bush, Europeans are hungry for the change Obama is offering, especially when it comes to America’s role on the world stage.

Can't speak for Europe, but here in Canuckistan (Canada for those of you that are humour impared), I like him for the following reasons:

1) He believes in multilateralism. He thinks that working with other nations is a good thing. Bush was a unilateralist and managed to alienate most other countries on earth.

2) Bush's neocon agenda is super far right on the political spectrum. Extremism is not well liked. Obama may be right wing on the world political spectrum, but at least he is not the cutting edge.

3) He appears intellegent and speaks charismatically. Truthfully, if the world has one superpower, you kind of want that person leading that country to appear reasonable and intellegent.

4) He offers hope instead of fear.

5) He is the opponent to GW Bush's party, who has plunged the world into an ideological war against Islam, destroyed the world economy, invaded Iraq without a legitamate reason while lying to UN with faked intellegence, jacked world oil prices due to instability the Iraqi war has created, has let his buddies make millions on the death of Iraqi civilians, has held the world back on the environmental progress by boycotting, vetoing, or simply disregarding every environmental agreement created in the last 8 years, condoned torture of enemy combatants abroad and in violation of the geneva convention, allowed the biggest world market (ie. the US middle class) to go broke and become homeless, put the US so far in debt that it will never again be able to participate in the world economy, created the department of homeland security which makes crossing the border into the US so miserable that I will likely never visit again, forsaken the US populace for corporate profit, and called the leader of my country over at an international summit by shouting, "Yo, Steve!"

6) He is multicultural, and most people can associate with him.

7) Rush Limbaugh doesn't like him.

8) He doesn't wear a lappel pin. We know who he is and what country he represents, and he is confident enough that he doesn't have to wear a $1.98 piece of junk jewlery fearing we'll think that he is the leader of Ethiopia or somewhere else.

9) He is from Hawaii, and Hawaii rocks.

Ok, really is only point 5. Few outside the US like Bush's policies, and he is the only viable antidote out there. Good luck fixing your problems, and try not to drag the rest of us down with you.