Why do a large number of anti war people whine about...

Maybe its cos the pro war 'retards' do very little to show what is good about America besides proving to the world just how exactly xenophobic, racist, insane and culturally backwards they really are...

In fact the word stupid comes to mind, because the only people who wish to take your liberties and freedom have white skin and reside in your own government, yet these pro-war'ers are so blind, obnoxious and ignorant that they fail to see anything beyond fox news and the bull **** media.

The pro-war'ers are a type of people who prove over and over again that depsite the majority of the world wanting peace, these fanatics, the war mongering fools are in fact THE REAL TERRORISTS and are 100% responsible for the collapse of their own country.

The blind leading the blind y'see....

Whilst the honest, decent, loving and caring folk seem to suffer at the hands of the insane.

The funny thing is, most of the pro-war'ers are the type of people who seem to be unable to distinguish between creed, country, accent, culture, belief, religion and race and are only happy when they are immersed in their own shallow pool of hate, yet will be the first ones to go crying to mummy when the true futility of their actions comes back to haunt them...

To every pro-war person out there... Shame on you, you have destroyed everything good about America and your pathetic viewpoints are a dirty smudge mark on the history of your once proud country.



One love and world peace

Mr Lizard

Originally posted by slackerwire
killing "brown people"?

Is it a pathetic attempt to show the U.S. as a nation that discriminates in deciding who we go to war with?

You are correct, the U.S. does not discriminate.

Whether fire-bombing Dresden, Tokyo, Vietnam or Iraq, the U.S. has always been an equal opportunity killer.

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I find it interesting that people who are against war in general are branded hippies, left wing, pacifists, slime, nut jobs, etc etc

Well, I'm against war, and I'm none of those things.

What I am is human - and as a human I hate to see others taken advantage of for monetary or political gain, which is exactly why the war in iraq continues apace, and is likely to involve iran at some point in the near future.

The idea that a country can come along and steal the resources of another country under a false pretext belongs in the 18th century - not the 21st.

The idea that governments are inherently good and only looking out for the interests of their citizens is absurd.

War is only about the rich getting richer - they couldn't care less about the average joe.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
The only color that is the cause for the war in Iraq is green....

Absolutely! It's strange to me that with all the folks who say that the Iraqi attack was for oil that we didn't take their oil. It was about destroying Iraq and then making a fortune rebuilding it giving the no-bid contracts to their own companies and their lackeys. It seems painfully obvious to me.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
Maybe its cos the pro war 'retards' do very little to show what is good about America besides proving to the world just how exactly xenophobic, racist, insane and culturally backwards they really are...

In fact the word stupid comes to mind, because the only people who wish to take your liberties and freedom have white skin and reside in your own government, yet these pro-war'ers are so blind, obnoxious and ignorant that they fail to see anything beyond fox news and the bull **** media.
Mr Lizard

Racist and xenophobic? How so?

incidentally, your little comment there on the ONLY people wanting to take away my freedoms and liberties having white skin.....you don't seriously believe that do you?

This guy wants to take away my liberties and freedoms and he certainly doesn't have white skin....

reply to post by slackerwire


Can you point me to anything in Sen. Obama's statements or policy papers/positions that indicate exactly what rights he is actively trying to take away from you? I mean, I rad alot of his white papers (his officially policy stances on his website) and watch a good majority of his speeches and I have yet to read or hear something from him that says he is going to go after your rights. Maybe I missed something so would you please clarify with some specificity as too what he trying to "take away" from you?
(well other than your right to privacy, as all the pols [both D's and R's] caved in on FISA)

Obs out

Wow ignorance is truely bliss. I congratulate all you gung-ho patriots who are willing to risk your lives to fatten the wallets of all these war mongering corporations. Exactly whos freedom are you fighting for?

Just as I suspected.

The OP's obvious intent was to start a race-baiting thread.

It seems to me that the only one really whining is the thread's originator. You're letting your true colors show, and it isn't pretty.

reply to post by taybes



I am not specifically fighting against anyone...of any color, however, I reserve the right to do so, so long as I have a good reason, such as survival.

Despite the holier-than-thou assumption that a couple of our larger city towers collapsed after a dozen muslims of a darker shade than light brown less-than-gently bumped into them (while seat-belted to the cockpit of planes they did not own), those whining about the current actions in Iraq and Afganistan do seem to be coming primarily from the left end of the political spectrum.

Perhaps it is due to the fact that those on the right continue to reserve the right to fight for what we have, regardless of the morality of having it, is what provokes the whining from the leftists.

Did that answer the question?

Dream on!

Originally posted by kerontehe

It was just my personal take that you were debating the poster as opposed to the post. IE bigoted.

I wouldn't have lasted many years on this site if I was bigoted towards this type of OP or post. I simply tire of the constant venom that seems to ebb and flow around election time.

To me reasoned conversation, regardless of the position, is preferable and respectable. Otherwise it simply reduces the quality of the site in general.

Honest answer: i saw you're response as an attempt at moving attention toward the OP as opposed to the thread topic. Deflection. The rest is just old school rhetoric to confuse the unaware. Like: "Shoot low boys the're ridin' Shetlands".

I respond to many things, content, tone, purpose, etc. I did respond to the content, but did think it fair to add my comments as to the nature of the thread.

The labels comment was directed toward you're intimation that the OP lacked intellutual content and therefore was underserving of a thoughtful erudite response. Semantic content does not always imply it is not "intellectual"; whatever that means.

One may have a valid point, but if it is expressed with little to no support, reference, or example and is done in a sarcastic or extremely partisan way, then it seems to lack intellectual content. Nevertheless I gave it a thoughtful response because there was a small point there. I was not labeling the person, only the post.

The real topic seems to be anti-war protesters using the race or bigot argument to deflect from the rationale of waging war.

To me rationale and war are opposing theories anyway.

I wouldn't disagree terribly. I am generally anti-war and tend to disagree with imperialism, especially that of the United States.

I don't think race has anything to do with it. If that was so, we'd have bombed half of Africa by this point.






[edit on 21-7-2008 by KrazyJethro]

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It's too easy to turn this into a left vs right argument. Do you really think the "left" would back down if they really felt their freedoms and their families freedoms were in jeopardy? I think any human being with a heart beat would fight for his survival and freedom. I think what most of them are against is a phony proxy war that does nothing to protect our country. The war on terror is just like the war on drugs and the war on hunger; you cannot fight a war and win against an abstract idea.

I will dream until my dream comes true

slackerwire, I have had a few discussions if you want to call them that about the race issue with you and you seem obsessed with race.Just a look at many of your threads seem to deal with the race issue.I am not going to comment on the race issue here as you will never see anything wrong with many of your opinions of people of color. I would like to point out your use of the term anti-war people.Since when is being against war a bad thing? I would think if you are someone that is all for war then you should do some serious soul searching then.Also what I find interesting is many people that shoot their mouth off about being pro-war and kicking some butt and what have you have never been to war much less gotten their fat butts out of their house to join the service.Arm chair soldiers...all I can do is shake my head in disgust at this and the many other threads and posts you have started with the race issue attached to them.Take the pointed sheet off your head for a while.

[edit on 7/21/2008 by CaptGizmo]

Originally posted by slackerwire
Why do a large number of anti war people whine about...

killing "brown people"?

I don't understand why people that are so into killing people are also so into labeling people and defining them based on reasons that have no relation to why they wanted to kill them in the first place. Do you have a reason for killing all the "brown people"?

I'm a human being on planet Earth. We all are. The only people drawing lines in the sand and dividing us are the politicians, most of whom get rich serving people with no moral compass.

I also don't understand what a "liberal" is. I've heard this used almost as an insult. What everyone should be asking themselves is who comes up with all these catchy little words to identify and divide people.

What would have been a lot smarter than going to war and getting our guys killed and maimed to kill "brown people" in a far away land would be to just sit back and watch what their next move was. We obviously weren't slick enough to prevent 9-11 so why would we be capable of stopping terrorism around the world? It's rediculous. We have sattelites that can read newspaper print from space, I think we could have kept our defences up after 9-11 while seeing where the real threats were and organizing offensively accordingly.

It really is starting to look like there are no terrorist organizations that pose any real mass treat to the U.S. and I have no reason to fear a goat herder halfway around the world.

I am what You'd call 'anti-war'. War is evil to the core. No one 'wins' a war, it's a lose-lose situation. Why are so many 'pro-war'? Why is it okay to bomb, shoot or kill anyone regardless of race,religion or geographic? You know what? Stick the 2 opposing war-mongering sides together somewhere far away from the innocent and let them destroy each other.
Are there different circumstances that require one to kill? Absolutely. Protection of My loved ones is top on that list. For Me it's not that they're brown, yellow or black. It's that more often than not they're the same as You and Me. They're someones mom, dad, someones child, someone who just wants to live and love life to it's fullest. They're someone who's life is cut short by others greed and lust for the material. As long as We allow these horrendous acts against others to continue, We will never reach Our full potential. Our purpose in life shouldn't be to consume mindlessly,or to hate and kill one another. Our purpose is to embrace each other and Our differences. Our purpose is to accept, learn and love.

You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope someday You will join Us, and the world will live one.

Peace. K*

[edit on 7/21/08 by Demetre]

reply to post by slackerwire


"Is it a pathetic attempt to show the U.S. as a nation that discriminates in deciding who we go to war with?"


Had to reply...so you don't think they (government) choose who to go to war with?

Why are the usa/uk not in Zimbabwe, North korea, Sudan or any other of these places that great freedom fighting *cough* nations would be?

[edit on 21/7/08 by blupblup]

Originally posted by mattguy404
American values - oil.

Brown people - in control of it.

Solution - war.

Above post = hypocrisy

Hypocrisy = ignorance

Ignorance = bigotry

Solution – Deny Ignorance





[edit on 21-7-2008 by LiquidMirage]

Yes we have a long history of anti Brown people...

This includes being among the first people world wide to not only abolish slavery but to fight a civil war over the very subject, lord knows no white people were killed in that war...

Our involvment in world war1 and world war 2 was primarilly against those "brown" germans... well I suppose the Italians had brown coats on...

and you know, quite nearly as many people died in our wars since ww2 as world war 2... lets see, ww2, 43 Million white people... 17 Million jews total btw white... vs 13 Million non white...

11 million of the "brown deaths" were Chinese killed by another Brown culture Japan...

so 60 Million caucasian deaths vs 2 Million dead Japanese.. who, actually assaulted us first at Pearl Harbor with out a military action to provoke the attack...

ww2 deaths

wow... how many people have died in all wars scince then at the hands of the us? Hmmmm less than Japan Killed in China by 3x the number...

Compare the US to Hitler? actual deaths in Afghanastan and Iraq and Vietnam and Korea put together killed less then the invasion of Poland... Yah, we are butchers...

and Deaths? WE announced victory in Iraq prior to Iran sending troops over the border as insurgents in order to try and create a muslim superstate... and btw how many years did the Iranians actually try to destroy Iraq?

Yes... abolishing Slavery, civil rights, attacked ruthlessly by Japan... and then we escorted their troops out of China... where those 2 A bombs cost 200,000 lives when they surrendered our escorting them out of China saved aproximately 3-7 Million Japanese lives... that's how much we hated them and the kind of grudge we hold...

Yeah Barack is as white as they come, we are so racially non concious we have to fear going into Darfur where... hundreds of thousands of Brown women are being Raped and killed by Brown men... why Because Complete psychos who hate our success wuold yell race and maybe start civil problems here if we went in to save those poor womens lives

G-d knows Korea was a tradgedy, because we see how nice it is to live in North Korea with one radio station and South korea is such a bad place to be... we actually went there to kill Brown people not save brown people from Tyranny...

How come you people don't live in North Korea?

You know we didn't have sides in either of those wars did we? There were no Vietnamese or South Koreans who wanted our help were there?

Certainly the Saudis wanted a powerful Iran and Iraq huh?

And of course during the slave trade never did one African attack and sell another tribe into slavery, and it was White people not Islamics leading those caravans to those tribes huh? White people with no resistence what so ever to malaria are responsable for the slave trade, it had nothing to do with brown middle easterners...

Same guys who by the way were via Lybia pillaging Italy for female white slaves, same brown people who still capture white women foolish enough to be lured there and make them sex slaves...

Yeah... 60 Million Caucasian Deaths vs 2 Million Japanesse who killed 11 Million Chinese that we came to the aid of...

definitely didn't liberate a single Brown island either lol

And who feeds Africa? Uhhhh Iraq? Ummmmm Afghanastan? ooooo wait we send countless tonage of free food to the Brown people there...


You know if your retarded and racist and support men who cut the clitorises off women, mass rape and believe everyone on earth should convert to a sick system where women have to wear masks... please by all means believe what you like...

Feel free to fight the USA Because ME and Millions like me will be here to DEFEND the rights of good Brown people everywhere like we always have from sick tyranical maniacs who Butcher, who Rape and who truely only wish to control the world or kill anyone who opposses them, we will rebuild those nations for those good people at our expense when we are done as we always have, we will spill our own blood for these purposes

and please come in here and write propoganda about us, please convince a handful of my own people who are that weak and that ill informed to switch sides, it's best to deal with those people who live among you appropriately and please...

Keep the fight going until the last of you on earth are dead at the hands of heros... because it is a tradgedy for the brown people of this Earth that they are starved and used as cannon fodder by psychos like Saddam, maniacs like the Taliban, butchered in the dirt in Dafur, not allowed to read, not allowed to feel pleasure, not fed, stolen from and lead lives of utter misery so warlords like lil kim can screw Kidnapped japanesse Actresses...

United we stand divided we fall... You can be sure pathetic posts about race designed only to inspire self hatred and racism among my good people will fail and Johnny will come marching all over the heads of people like ahmad and likl kim and... Darfur will see us there too one day, maybe a man like barack can pull that one off in the face of sick racist disgusting tyrants who would try and convince us we are the wrong ones while these women lay dead in the streets, while people are starved, while more women...more women have died this year In Africa and the middle east at the hands of some sick brown men that condone it then we killed soldiers...trained fighting men, in a war...

Please, I will gladly fight to the death for my culture, any day of the week considering all the good we have truely done, particularly for many a brown person... and I'm not so comfortable that i'm afraid of war like others, please try and turn the weak among us into self haters they can fall like the rest, because we have Never lost and we never will...

MY life is based on science and optimisim and a search for the truth, primitive women butchering psychopaths will never use guilt to turn me from faith in myself and my own moral compass to believe that some things aren't worth fighting for, I am not a 5 year old child that can be indoctrinated into a false set of superstitous beliefs nor am I so weak as to be willing to tolerate living within a system like that out of guilt or other philosophical tripe

[edit on 21-7-2008 by mopusvindictus]

Gee this isn't the america I grew up in at all. No matter what ethnicity you might be, america is our home "right or wrong". We may not fight because of the race of the enemy but you have to understand once one of your relatives dies in battle you either "yellow up" with the other anti-war people or you continue to support the flag "right or Wrong". I was only in the single digits during viet-nam but when I heard of Lt. William Calley, I knew that's what needed to to be done to all "little yellow bastards" that murdered american G.I.'s. It's all from the post wwII hype. Yes I understand that small innocent human's died but small humans, children, fought in all wars. It is the fault of the U.S. for not making refugees of non-combatants. Are war cries are inhumane and full hype for our troops. This is war and one of our families suffers a loss every day. If we cannot support the war then we donot support ourselves. This war is wrong but it is the only thing we will do when attacked. I say, show ourselves mercy and nuke the almonds.
I'm darker than them so my racist american attitude would be that obama will do nothing for darker people, and probably would be just another "head almond". More Ignorantly, why shouldn't he try to save his own kind by pulling out?
The user who started this thread asked a valid question. I think killing is racism because we are supposed to be the human race. So excuse us for our blood lust, in the heat of battle, when we exclaim " all of the light brown people need to die"

Personally, I think those who keep blaming everything on Race are just angry, depressed people who probably need evaluated for clinical depression. Some however have ulterior motives like the Jesse Jacksons of the world who earn their living by inciting and causing Racism.

Then we have those who live in the past and are blind to the fact the world has passed them by. They are the saddest of the lot. They continue to live in a time that no longer exists, fighting long gone bogey men that are no longer under their beds.

Many of the highest offices in our country are held by minorities, a Black Man may soon be President and life moves on. There will always be those that refuse to move on with it and all you can do is pity them. Living with that kind of anger must be a miserable existence.

An increasingly small percentage of us will always hate others who are different from them. Like schoolyard bullies, their hatred is how they deal with their fear. They are terrified of anything they don't understand. In a way they should be pitied for living in their world where fear dictates their lives.

The best response to these people is to ignore them and not bait them with posts like this. You can not force people who hate, to stop hating. Those who yell Racism the loudest are inevitably the most Racist of them all. Most of us don't think in terms like; there goes Black Charlie or here comes James who looks like an Iranian. Most of us just think there goes Charlie and here comes James. These people who scream Racism all the time seem to be incapable of thinking in terms other than race. Their lives are so consumed by it they can't even see that they, themselves are the worst Racists of all.

Even though I'm not going to vote for him, I thank God that men like Obama are replacing those like Jackson and I'm very encouraged by that. We will be where we need to be when we all refer to ourselves as simply
Americans and loose the labels. We are almost there. Unfortunately, being human, our hatred of anyone different is now being turned toward the Obese, those born disabled and others. Our dark side continues.