Originally posted by aleon1018
I suppose it all depends on which species or origin? There are those who make claims of over 20 different species of visitors. Some may be androids or
disgruntled workers that lack bedside manners? (sounds familiar)
In a way, postulating that there are 20 races visiting would be 20 times more unlikely than just one race visiting. And since we now know about
'nanotechnology' and robotic probes and conservation of resources, there's a lot more going against the popular ETHypothesis, imo. (i.e. real
aliens landing ships here).
One way to look on it is the 'high strangeness'. We like to have some strange in our lives. It adds drama and fun. But if real aliens were coming
here they'd want to do everything to -avoid- high strangeness and drama, otherwise they get outed. So just like we use 'critter-cams' to mix in
with the wildlife, they'd use (much better) cams like that to mix in with us. IOW if we know about it, then they've failed.
I mean, they could just be st00pid and inept at stalking us, IDK. But as we know if you mess with the thing you're trying to observe you change the
Again, being alien, their motives would be alien also. But here's some stuff to think about.
1. There are TOO many abductions. If one in five people have been abducted (or whatever number) then that's a billion people. WTF? Why? I'd think it
should be more like one in a million. That's 6,000 abductions/year and being 'rare', they are less likely to be noticed;
2. Alien craft flying around with lights on. Big bright lights. Kaleidoscopic lights. What? That's beyond silly. We have IR, they'd have IR;
3. Landing. They come here in interstellar ships. It's likely that these would stay off planet. Why have atmospheric run-abouts? It's a waste of
resources, but make for good sci-fi;
4. Physically being here. (addressed in another post above);
5. Looking like humans (though smaller and without hair);
6. Generally having 'human' motives. Tagging, showing maps to us, talking to us, etc. Alien bugs would not bother doing that;
7. Motives for contact. I think there are maybe one or two motives for friendly contact. ALL the rest would be harmful contact. Some overtly harmful,
others indirectly harmful.
8. Communication. I think it's pretty likely that even if we contact an alien civ we'll not be able to communicate with them. At all. (see Brain
bugs from Starship Troopers). They could care less about that.
I'm purposely taking a 'negative' point of view here just to illustrate a point about 'alienness' and stuff. But it makes a fair amount of
Doesn't make the 'other kind' of alien contact impossible. Friendly little aliens, aliens like ALF, aliens like wookies who are cuddly, and so on.
Aliens like Star Trek who look like humans but have bumpier foreheads. Sure possible.
The other important things are
1. Any space faring civ will have one priority and that's survival. To this end their primary mission in space will be to develop another base near
their home which is self-sustainable and then self-reproducible. If they don't do that first, an extinction event could wipe them out or back to the
stone age. Even Type II will need a robust remote base to handle Gamma-Ray Bursts. This will likely occupy them for a LONG time. They won't really
have the leisure time to go looking for us.
2. Any exploration will likely be by a variation of nano-VonNeumann probes, not physical beings. Resource management will still apply.
3. Mars has no colonies on it
. Habitable planets will likely be rare. If there's real estate out there then it's going to be occupied, just
like Aruba when the tourists found about about it they flocked. If they're not packed knee deep on Mars (why would they hide) then they're not in
our Solar System. It's only logical. To me this one is a big one. It's directly observable that there are no aliens (to speak of) on Mars. Sci-fi
wants them hidden and covert, but they wouldn't bother to do that. What would they care if we can see them? We can' mess with them, we're stuck
here in LEO until we solve the radiation problem. (and that may never happen). In fact I think in order to do that we'll have to evolve into
something like space-crocodiles or space roaches who are immune to radiation. (yuck).
Our military is supposedly experimenting with insect size equipment for spying so I don't think using them to deliver a toxin or virus would
be that far off either.
I have heard about those who we can't see with our eyes that supposedly walk among us. It isn't too hard to believe an advanced race has discreet
ways of going about their own business around us.
Sounds again, like 'Earthling' motives. Red flag that it's a myth, imo. Not impossible, but just beware it being too dramatic.
I wouldn't put it past them to make us believe we fell and hurt ourselves or that nasty bug bite was an insect etc. Although, the scoop marks have
become a giveaway as if abducted. I have one of these on my right shin which seemed to be of interest to a few 'alleged staff' when I was in the
Yeah wrt scoop marks, if we can detect it that means they've failed.