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The Protocols of Zion

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posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 09:02 PM
You all are correct in questioning the truth of the debunking, but the fact is, there is no more evidence supporting the argument that the protocols are real. You are all using an argument to debunk the debunking, when the same applies to the argument that they are genuine. Where is the evidence that they are real?

I have offered evidence that they are fake only to be hit with responses like, well your debunking can't be proven, while no one here has offered a shred of evidence that they are real. Because you can't really due to the same reasons you can't prove they are a hoax.

So where is that info that they are genuine again?

[edit on 7/19/2008 by Mad_Hatter]

posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 09:16 PM
I like how all the mean and nasty parts of that enormous document are in BOLD!
Funny. I must make a note of that the next time I'm in a mood to make a Manifesto.

1. Identify the enemy
2. Include e-vile overtones
3. Tie into current conspiracies
4. Bold the naughty bits
5. Cackle a lot

Good. Well. This has been fun.

posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 09:17 PM
While Mr. Marsden was translating the documents he received a warning that if he persisted in
publishing the book he would die. Mr. Marsden published his translation of the documents
under the title Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and he did die under suspicious
circumstances a few years afterwards.
Following the publication of the book by the Britons Publishing Society, Mr. Marsden was
denounced internationally as a bare faced anti-Semitic liar. The book caused one of the greatest
controversies the world has ever known. My own research work has caused me to believe that
the documents published by professor Nilus in Russia in 1905 as Jewish Peril and by Mr.
Marsden in England in 1921 as Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion are the long range plans
of the Illuminati which was explained by Amschel Rothschild to his associates in Frankfort in
1773. Rothschild was not addressing rabbis and elders. He was addressing bankers,
industrialists, scientists, economists, etc. Therefore to charge this diabolical conspiracy as a
crime against the whole Jewish people and their religious leaders is unjust. I am supported in
this opinion by one of the highest ranking intelligence Officers in the British Service. He
studied the matter in Russia, Germany, and England.
That the document which fell into the hands of Professor Nilus had been used as material for (11 of 25)5.4.2006 12:16:42
William Carr, Pawns in the Game, ch 16, 17
lectures to instruct leaders of the W.R.M. cannot be doubted because in addition to the original
outline of the conspiracy there are additional remarks which explain how the plot had been put
into effect; and how Darwinism, Marxism, and Neitzche-ism had been used since 1773.
Mention is also made saying how it was intended to use political Zionism to service the purpose
of the W.R.M. in the future ... the Illuminati.
The term Agentur contained in the document would seem to indicate an individual; a group; a
race; a nation; a creed; or any other agency that could be used as a tool or an instrument to
further the Long Range Plan of the Illuminati for ultimate world domination.
Regardless of its origin, no person who has read it can deny that the trend of world events has
followed the programme suggested in the document from 1773 to date. No one can be
otherwise than amazed at the deadly accuracy of the forecast made in the document

Pawns in the Game , W g Carr

[edit on 19-7-2008 by Swingarm]

posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 10:08 PM
I notice this book can be downloaded on the web. It was written in 1958. I should be mentioned, 87 % of people form their opinions based on the opinions of others. 13% use there own deductive reasoning. Which group are you in?

posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 10:11 PM
reply to post by Swingarm

Excellent rebuttal. I gave you a star for that. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to provide your research to the debate.

posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 10:44 PM
Here is a link to the Harold Wallace Rosenthal Interview 1976

The Hidden Tyranny Here

[edit on 20-7-2008 by Swingarm]

posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 05:20 AM
While the original script may have been fictional, many can see how these protocols may have
been employed by certain benefactors.

After all the discussions in these forums about how facts are discredited and how people can be deliberately ridiculed for opinions that run against the mainstream "official" version of truthiness, we know that denial is a powerful tool.

When I read articles like this published in a major news publication, how can we completely ignore the extremism that some people will go to, to achieve their pre-conceived beliefs.

posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 05:23 AM

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter
reply to post by Swingarm

Yes, and I also questioned the validity of that source in my thread and asked if anyone else had any information on it, if you had read it. Not that that thread has anything to do with this. But I am merely presenting the other side of the argument. I am not trying to swing your arm to agree with it. Pun intended.
And I never claimed my sources were bullet proof. I can be wrong at times too. I'd just rather not swing in favor of mass paranoia and conspiracy in this case. Why don't we just go ahead and say that Hitler was justified in his holocaust since he is rumored to have based his War off of these protocols?

Is it true to say that the same engineers who designed the Protocols of Zion...propped up Hitler, Funded & Financed him and even gave him the Global Publicity to "Fix-a-War" because War brings Profits and it's easy to prop-up a lunatic with a ton of ego on his head, as long as he can deliver the required detour, that illusive detour .

posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 06:10 AM
Conspiracies, Conspiracy Theories and the Secrets of September 11th

By Mathias Broeckers, german edition: 371 pages, Paperback, Zweitausendeins. 12.75. Euro

When Pearl Harbor was attacked "out of the blue" on December 7, 1941, the Americans were enraged at the chicanery of the Japanese. Today, diverse historians maintain that President Roosevelt knew about the attack in advance and actually provoked it. Roosevelt wanted to enter the Second World War, but until Pearl Harbor, 88% of the American population were against it.

When aircraft attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, out of the blue, on September 11, 2001, America and the rest of the world were appalled at the sheer malice of the assaults. The identity of the perpetrators and the enemy was announced immediately: Osama Bin Laden and his Islamic terrorist group, Al Queda. And George W. Bush quickly declared war on "international terrorism" – a war for which there had previously been little support. In the meantime evidence has mounted to support the theory that the US Government had been informed about the attack in advance.

Mathias Broeckers, a scientific writer, journalist, and longtime arts editor of the independent Berlin daily TAZ (Die Tageszeitung), stated from the very beginning that the unanimous voice of the media made him suspicious. It was as if they were all tuned to the same wavelength, even the most reputable becoming the voice of the White House. In pursuit of additional and alternative information Broeckers turned to the Internet, where day after day he fired new questions at the search engines and sent them out on new journeys of discovery. Starting in the Sept. 13, 2001, edition of the online magazine telepolis (which was honored with the Grimme Online Award 2002 for its "incorruptibility" and "professionalism of the highest level"), he recorded his research in an investigative journal that attracted millions of 'clicks' and instigated hot debates. The book contains a substantially more detailed, in-depth version of Mathias Broeckers's journal. It declares: September 11 is not only the date of a horrifying mass murder, but also the point at which bizarre absurdities, fantastic contradictions, suppressed background information and strategic undercover operations all came together. Is it really true that since September 11 nothing is the way it used to be? For the fact is: before that, a great many things were different to what they seemed.

A few examples? Grandfather Prescott Bush financed and supported Hitler before the US Army helped bring him down. As head of the CIA, George Bush Senior armed Saddam Hussein; as President of the USA he went to war against him in the Gulf. His son George W. Bush received money for his first oil company from the financial administrators of the Bin Laden family, whose offspring, Osama, he is currently trying to hunt down. Governor Jeb Bush sanctioned manipulation of the electoral registers in Florida to help his brother George W. get the votes he needed for the presidential election.

Osama Bin Laden is a product of the CIA, originally created to engage in terrorism against the Soviet Union. In January 2001, the Bush government's newly installed FBI and CIA personnel ordered that all investigations into the Bin Laden clan be terminated. According to Le Figaro, when Bin Laden was in the American Hospital in Dubai in July 2001, a representative of the CIA paid him a visit.

General Mahmud Ahmed, head of the Pakistani secret service, ISI, openly cooperated with the CIA. In July 2001, he transferred $100,000 to terrorist pilot Mohammed Atta and from September 4 to September 15, 2001, he was on an official visit to the USA for "talks about the Taliban." On September 11 he breakfasted on Capitol Hill with two members of the Select Committee on Intelligence.

Although the US Air Force high command was aware that four commercial aircraft had been simultaneously hijacked and that all of them were approaching absolute "no fly areas,” it took 75 minutes for their interceptor jets to take off. It was too late.

Why did George W. Bush initially pretend that he first heard of the attacks during a visit to a school? As was later revealed, he had been informed an hour earlier, so why weren’t the emergency forces mobilized immediately?

Broeckers is a stickler for accuracy. The official version leaves a great many questions unanswered: Why haven't the contents of the flight recorders and tapes from air traffic control been made public? Why didn't the names of the 19 alleged hijackers appear on the passenger lists? Why are there no photos or video footage of the crash site at the Pentagon, where parts of aircraft wreckage were clearly visible? Why was the wreckage of the aircraft that crashed in Pennsylvania strewn over such a wide area? Official denials notwithstanding, was it shot down? Why did the USA's top Bin Laden investigator, John O'Neill, resign in July, 2001, eight weeks before the attacks? What kind of direct dealings did the Bush and Bin Laden families have with each other? What sort of interests does Vice President Cheney's company, Halliburton, have in the pipeline projects in Afghanistan? Why were there secret talks with the Taliban government over these pipelines until July 2001? Why did certain people at the top stop FBI investigations into suspicious students at flight schools? Why did Bush and Cheney put pressure on opposition leader Tom Daschle to encourage Congress to stop a more thorough investigation of September 11?

The German newsmagazine Der Spiegel (42/2002) called Broeckers’s book "the bestseller of wariness," and the conservative Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung asked with some concern: "Does such highly explosive material belong in the hands of civilians?" Broeckers is an investigative specialist in conspiracies. In this book he explains that the generally accepted version of the September 11 attacks is a conspiracy theory deliberately designed to lead world opinion down the wrong path. "Although it was the biggest police investigation of all time," writes Broeckers, "one year after the attacks the amount of evidence gathered against those who allegedly masterminded them, Osama Bin Laden and his terrorist group Al Queda, comes to no more than it did only a few hours afterwards: virtually nothing.”

Broeckers asks who stood to gain from these terrorist attacks and brings other notorious suspects into play. He is not out to inflict conspiracy theories on the world, he just wants people to take a more scientific, skeptical attitude to conspiracy, emphasizing how much more productive this would be. The reason: "Without an appropriate approach to conspiracy theory, our extremely complex and treacherous world would be impossible to understand."

Chapter Breakdown


Part I

Everything under Control

The first part of the book (up to p.66) is an introduction to the "science" and theory of conspiracies

The bio-conspiracy

The evolution of the biosphere did not result solely from the struggle for survival but equally from a "conspiracy for life,” a secret agreement between bacteria to cooperate.

Mulder's dilemma

"A paranoid always knows all the facts" (William Burroughs) - and that is the dilemma of X-File agent Fox Mulder: The more he finds out, the less he understands what he is facing.

Things are not what they seem

Every country has anti-conspiracy laws, yet appears incapable of surviving without conspiracies of its own in the form of intelligence services and undercover operations

The Elders of Zion, Hitler and the Illuminati

On the one hand, Hitler used the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a propaganda instrument against the Jews - on the other(as Hannah Arendt established), the Nazis organized themselves according to the model of the “protocols” and designed the SS as a secret order dedicated to the conquest of world power.

The money conspiracy

For thousands of years all civilized cultures had a taboo on lending money with interest. Only in recent centuries has a massive conspiracy broken this barrier, with harsh consequences for the future of the world economy.

In the name of the state

A short introduction to state-run conspiracies, citing the examples of the P2 lodge in Italy and the "Iran-Contra" drug-smuggling affair in the USA.

Nine theses on conspiracy

"Conspiracies are the most normal thing in the world: A and B make an agreement behind C’s back - to gain an advantage."

Part II

A Conspirator's Diary

The second part of the book (up to p. 254) contains a more detailed, updated (8/2002) version of the 41 telepolis columns originally published between Sept. 13, 2001 and March 22, 2002.

9/13/01: A conspirator's comments on a terror attack

9/14/01: Who is Osama Bin Laden?

9/15/01: Surprise by homemade villains

9/16/01: Question authority - think for yourself!

9/19/01: The USA's friendly SOB’s

9/19/01 Primates, politics & thought control

9/22/01 Scapegoats, human sacrifice and the new "Pax Americana"

9/24/01 Zero evidence at Ground Zero

9/26/01 Skulls, bones & Bush

9/29/01 "Those who suggest the wrong questions need not fear the answers"

10/01/01 Banks, bankrupts, Berlusconi

10/03/01 The assassins are back!

6/10/01 Jihad Inc. - Made in USA

10/10/01 Uncle Sam’s Junk: Heroin, the Taliban, Pakistan

15/10/01 Controlled demolition

10/20/01 Follow the money!

10/26/01 Manus Manum Lavat - Money Money Laundromat

10/31/01 Beyond Bush and evil

11/02/01 A long-projected war

11/04/01 Osama meets the CIA

11/13/01 If the CIA wasn’t involved, what was it doing instead?

11/20/01 The Bush-Bin Laden connection

11/24/01 In memoriam John O'Neill, the neutralized top Bin Laden-hunter

11/30/01 The Al Queda-Bin Laden world conspiracy

12/07/01 Sacrificing rooks on the geo-political chessboard?

12/11/01 The Bush putsch

12/15/01 Facts, fictions, fakes

12/29/01 Computers survive the WTC crash - flight recorders don’t!

01/04/02 Where was the fire brigade?

01/10/02 The American way of war

01/81/02 Enrongate

02/02/02 From Al Capone’s network to Pipelineistan

02/11/02 The forbidden truth

02/18/02 Bob Woodward’s propaganda myths from the "Fuhrers" bunker

02/24/02 Heroin government on the largest scale of all times

03/03/02 The kosher conspiracy

03/12/02 The Pentagon mystery

03/22/02 WTC - the World Trade Conspiracy

Part III

Ask who did it, but don’t ask why

The third part of the book offers a tentative conclusion and outlines an alternative view of the events of 9/11

The myth of the free media

In the wake of 9/11 the mainstream media failed in their core duties: independence, impartiality, non-partisanship. Governments pronouncements were accepted as true, no questions asked. Only on the Internet could investigative journalists encounter reservations.

Cui bono?

Who really benefited from the attacks? Despite the dangers of a knee-jerk reaction, this question must be raised.

Spy vs. spy

All the circumstances surrounding 9/11 bear the handwriting and hallmarks of spy-agency operations

"God is not neutral"

Fundamentalism on both sides - and the failure of the policy of "My enemies’ enemy is my friend"

"Clean" journalism by "dirty" epistemology ?

If any criticism of the official version is defined as an "outrageous conspiracy theory," then true journalists cannot help taking a "conspiratorial" stance, because being critical is their main duty.

"Let one happen, stop the rest"

A note by a rogue (and since vanished) secret agent may offer a possible scenario of what really happened

The axis of suspects

Apart from the oft-cited "Axis of Evil,” an "Axis of the Suspects" is outlined: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan & the USA

Welcome to Brainwashington, D.C.

We all have become witnesses to and victims of the biggest brainwashing operation in history.


In praise of anti-Bushism - a defense of American values

An essay on anti-Americanism. "The USA drove fascism out of Germany and re-educated the country so successfully that, today, we seem to be more ‘American’ than the new empire in Washington will allow."

Appendix 1

9/11 FAQs - 100 frequently asked questions

Appendix 2

A short history of foreknowledge

Appendix 3

An interview with the former German Secretary of State Andreas v. Buelow


The Author

Mathias Broeckers (*1954) is a freelance writer and earned his Masters Degree in Literature and Political Science at the Freie Universität Berlin in 1979. From 1981 to 1991 he was a senior arts editor at the alternative Berlin daily tageszeitung (TAZ), since then he has worked for major German magazines and radio stations, writing and broadcasting on politics, science and culture. Broeckers has published several successful non-fiction books, most recently a book on cosmology (The Underground of the Supernatural, 1998, Paperback: “Can tomatoes dream?”, 2001) and the German edition of Robert Anton Wilson's conspiracy encyclopedia (Everything under control, 2000). He has two grown children and divides his time between Berlin and Switzerland.

posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 06:40 AM

Is it true to say that the same engineers who designed the Protocols of Zion...propped up Hitler, Funded & Financed him and even gave him the Global Publicity to "Fix-a-War" because War brings Profits and it's easy to prop-up a lunatic with a ton of ego on his head, as long as he can deliver the required detour, that illusive detour .

Here is some more info for the trip down the rabbit hole. A nice collection

posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 06:56 AM
1921 January Hitler claims that he is reunited with his old friend and former sergeant, Max Amann, by accident, while walking along a Munich street.

1921 Walter Riehl's Austrian Nazi party (DNSAP) holds its first party meeting in Linz, Austria, Hitler's hometown. (Forgotten Nazis)

1921 Austrian Pan-German leader Georg Ritter von Schoenerer dies.

1921 Karl von Habsburg, the deposed emperor of Austria-Hungary, founds the International Pan-European Movement.

1921 Hitler founds the Hitler Jugend (Hitler Youth).

1921 American Jews boycott Henry Ford for his alleged antisemitism, because of his publishing of "The International Jew" and distribution of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

1921 The SA (also called the Brownshirts) is formed from the ranks of Ernst Roehm's private army. (Grolier)

1921 March The naval garrison at Kronshtadt, long a Bolshevik stronghold, rebels along with Petrograd workers in favor of "Soviet Communism without the Bolsheviks!" The protest is brutally suppressed.

1921 March 3 The Romano-Polish Treaty of Alliance is signed.

1921 March 4 Warren G. Harding is inaugurated 29th President of the United States.

1921 March 18 The Treaty of Riga is signed between Russia and Poland. The Polish-Russian frontier is defined and Poland receives a large slice of Russian territory.

1921 March Great Britain and France recognize de facto the Soviet Government as the legitimate government of Russia.

1921 April 2 Albert Einstein arrives in New York to give a lecture at Columbia University on his new theory of relativity. It will open up a totally new way of thinking and will displace much of the scientifiic theory which has preceded it.

1921 April 18 Edward R. Stettinius Sr. writes a letter to Lucy Lee Brownlee and discloses to her that his son, Edward R. Stettinius Jr., "was elected recently a member of one of the select secret societies..." (Forbes). (This secret society was very likely connected with Yale's Skull and Bones.)

1921 April 20 Hitler receives a book from Dr. Babette Steininger, an early Nazi member, as a birthday present. The book is an essay by Tagore, an Indian mystic and nationalist. On the book's fly-leaf, a handwritten inscription from Steininger reads "to Adolf Hitler my dear Armanen-Brother." (Phelps)

1921 May Heinrich Schulz and Heinrich Tillessen travel to Munich where they receive orders to kill Matthias Erzberger, the former Reich Finance Minister and hated signatory of the armistice, from a person who claims to have the authority of the Germanenorden. (Gotthard Jasper; Roots)

1921 June The German Nazi Party claims 3,000 dues-paying members.

1921 June Detlef Schmude, one of Jorg Lanz von Liebenfel's most ardent supporters in Germany, organizes the printing of the ONT rule at Magdeburg, in which he, Johann Walthari Wölfl, and Lanz sign as the Priors of Hollenberg, Werfenstein, and Marienkamp. (Regularium; Roots)

1921 July Rudolf Gorsleben becomes Gauleiter of the South Bavarian section of the radical antisemitic Deutschvölkischer Schutz und Trutzbund, an early competitor of the Nazi Party for support in Southern Germany. (Roots)

1921 July 2 President Harding signs a joint resolution of Congress declaring an end to the war with Germany and Austria-Hungary.

1921 July 11 Hitler threatens to resign from the Nazi party if he is not given dictatorial powers. Hitler's ploy is successful and from this moment on, Hitler becomes the uncontested leader of the German Nazi party.

1921 July 14 Nicola Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti are found guilty of murder.

1921 July 21 Former General William "Billy" MItchell orchestrates the sinking of the German battleship Ostfriesland in a demonstration of concentrated bombing. He is convinced of the superiority of air power over sea power.

1921 July 29 The Council on Foreign Relations is founded in Washington D.C. It's British counterpart is the Royal Institute of International Affairs.

1921 August Prescott Bush marries Dorothy Walker, daughter of George Herbert Walker.

1921 August The U.S. signs a peace treaty with Germany.

1921 August 16-18 The Times of London in a lead article entitled "The End of the Protocols," written by correspondent Philip Graves, debunks The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a forgery. Graves establishes a connection between the Protocols and what is said to be its major source, a satire of Napoleon III, entitled Dialogue between Machiavelli and Montesquieu in Hell, written by a Frenchman named Maurice Joly (Brussels, 1864). (Cohn, Segel/Levy)

1921 August 16 King Peter I of Serbia dies and his son, Alexander, becomes king of the new Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes.

1921 August 25 The U.S. signs a peace treaty with Germany.

1921 September 14 Hitler physically attacks Otto Ballerstedt and is later sentenced to a month in jail.

1921 September 29 Brockhusen's constitution for the Germanenorden is accepted, providing for a complex organization of grades, rings, and provincial "citadels (Burgen) supposed to generate secrecy for a nationwide system of local groups having many links with militant völkisch associations, including the Deutschvölkischer Schutz und Trutzbund. (Bundesarchiv, Koblenz; Roots)

1921 At the Tenth Party Congress, Lenin introduces his New Economic Policy, restoring some private property, ending restrictions on private trade, and terminating forced grain requisitions.The foundations for building Bolshevik socialism have been laid but the revolutionary period proper has come to an end.

1921 November 4 Hundreds of Marxists attempt to disrupt a speech by Hitler at the Hofbrauhaus in Munich. Hess takes a leading part in the brawl and suffers a skull injury.

1921 November 4 Japanese premier Hara Takashi is assassinated in Tokyo by a radical right-wing student.

1921 November All capital stock in the "Munchener Beobachter" ("Volkischer Beobachter") is transferred to Adolf Hitler. (Sebottendorf; Roots)

1921 November 29 Hitler writes a long autobiographical letter to an unidentified doctor. (This may have been Dr. Walter Riehl, Austrian leader of the German National Socialist Workers Party (DNSAP). (See December 1921 and Biographies) (Autobiographical letter)

1921 December Hitler speaks at a meeting in Vienna organized by Walter Riehl's Austrian Nazi party (DNSAP).

1921 December Rudolf Gorsleben breaks with the Deutschvölkischer Schutz und Trutzbund, forming a new alliance with Julius Streicher, who laters edits "Der Sturmer" under Nazi auspices, finding considerable aid and support in both Regensburg and Nuremberg. Gorsleben also works closely with Lorenz Mesch, Germanenorden leader in Regensburg, whose proteges Schulz and Tillessen had just assassinated Matthias Erzberger in May. (Roots)

1921 December 13 The United States, Britain, Japan, and France sign the Four Power Treaty, pledging to consult one another if any of their Pacific island possessions is threatened.

1921 December 24 German Jewish politician Walter Rathenau writes in the Wiener Freie Presse (Vienna Free Press), " Three hundred men, all of whom are known to one another, guide the economic destinies of the Continent and seek their successors among their followers." Many antisemites, including General Ludendorff, promptly concluded that since Rathenau was a Jew, he must be one of the three hundred and that these were in fact the mysterious "Elders of Zion." (Morais)

(Note: Nowhere in Rathenau's original article were Jews mentioned in any context.)

1921 The first Arabic translation of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is published in Damascus, Syria. (Segel/Levy)

1921 Jorg Lanz von Liebenfels establishes another Order of the New Templars (ONT) priory at Marienkamp in Budapest, Hungary. Lanz regularly corresponds with ONT brothers in Germany, Austria, Great Britain, the United States and South Americas. (Roots)

1921 The Fascist party in Italy elects 35 members to parliament. Mussolini's oratorical skills, the postwar economic crisis, a widespread lack of confidence in the traditional political system, and a growing fear of socialism, all helped the Fascist party to grow to 300,000 registered members by 1921.

1921 Achille Ratti, the future Pope Pius XI, becomes cardinal-archbishop of Milan.

1921 The Reparations Commission fixes Germany's war reparations at 132 billion gold marks.

1921 Nesta H. Webster publishes World Revolution which links the French Revolution, the Illuminati, Jacobians, Freemasonry, the Jews and Communism. The book creates a sensation, and is widely read, both in Europe and America.

1921 Albert Einstein's receives the Nobel Prize for physics -- it was awarded not for relativity, but for his 1905 work on the photoelectric effect. His theories of relativity still remained controversial for his less flexibly minded colleagues.

1921 The Irish Free State is created as a self-governing dominion of Great Britain.

posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 07:00 AM
1913 January A Germanenorden lodge is established at Duisburg with 30 brothers. Lodges in Nuremberg and Munich are established later in the year, but are not as successful as those in Northern and Eastern Germany. (Bundesarchiv, Koblenz; Roots)

1913 Kaiser Wilhelm II and H.S. Chamberlain plot to steal the Helige Lanz (Holy Lance) from Austria at a Germanic art exposition in Berlin. General Helmuth von Moltke foils their plan by alerting the Austrians.

1913 Walter Riehl and Rudolf Jung draft a new program for the Austrian German Worker's party (DAP) at Iglau. (Forgotten Nazis)

1913 Drew Ali, a black leader, founds a Moorish Science Temple in Newark, N.J., and establishes a religious tradition that will lead to the founding of the Black Muslims and other Islamic groups in the U.S.

1913 February 3 Wyoming approves the Sixteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, becoming the last of the 36 states needed to authorize a federal income tax.

1913 February 14-19 Philipp Stauff is involved in a series of spiritualist seances which claim to communicate with the long-dead priest-kings of the old religion. Guido von List later writes about these seances in depth. (Roots)

1913 February 25 The 16th Amendment becomes law in the United States. Earlier, the Supreme Court had found that an income tax whose monies are not reapportioned to the states is unconstitutional. The 16th amendment provides the necessary legal basis for a graduated federal income tax. (Schlesinger I)

1913 March King George I of Greece is assassinated and is succeeded by his son, Constantine I.

1913 March 4 Woodrow Wilson takes his oath of office as 28th President of the United States. Marshall becomes Vice President.

1913 March 31 J.P. Morgan dies in Rome, Italy. His son, J.P. (Jack) Morgan, Jr., takes over operation of his various business enterprises.

1913 April 27 The dead body of 14-year-old Mary Phagan is found is found in a pencil factory in Marietta, Georgia. Leo Frank, a 29-year-old Jew is convicted of the crime even though Miss Phagan left a note saying she had been assaulted by a Negro. After Frank's sentence was commuted by the governor, Tom Watson, a Georgia demagogue, denounced him as "King of the Jews." (See August 16, 1915)

1913 May Adolf Hitler leaves Vienna for Munich in Bavaria.

(Note: In 1959, Elsa Schmidt-Falk, who was in charge of a genealogical research group within the Nazi party in Munich during the 1920's, told Wilfried Daim that Hitler had regularly visited her and her husband at their Munich home. At these meetings, Hitler often mentioned reading Guido von List and quoted his books enthusiastically. She also claimed that Hitler told her that members of the List Society in Vienna had given him a letter of introduction to the President of the List Society in Munich. (Daim; Inge Kunz; Roots)

1913 May 24 Hitler moves to Schleissheimerstrasse 34 in Munich, lodging with the family of a tailor named Papp. He registers with the police as a painter and artist.

1913 May 30 Fearing a spread of hostilities in the Balkans, the major powers intervene to terminate the war with the Treaty of London, a preliminary peace treaty, under which Turkey agrees to surrender its Balkan territories and create the state of Albania. Peace in the Balkans lasts less than a month.

1913 May 31 The 17th Amendment is passed, establishing the popular election of U.S. Senators. This amendment dramatically alters America's republican form of government and further reduces the power of the individual states.

1913 June Nineteen Reichshammerbund branches have by now been established throughout Germany. (Roots)

1913 June A second war begins in the Balkans, when Bulgaria makes surprise attacks against Serbia and Greece in the hope of occupying the contested districts of Macedonia won from Turkey before the great powers had intervened. Bulgaria is quickly defeated and overrun by Romania, Turkey, Greece and Serbia.

1913 August 10 The Treaty of Bucharest awards Serbia and Greece possession of those parts of Macedonia they had previously claimed. Romania also received territory from Bulgaria.

1913 September 6 Philipp Stauff closes a letter to Lanz von Liebenfels with the salute "Armanengruss und Templeisensieg." Lanz had first written Stauff in 1909. (Balzli; Roots)

1913 September 29 Rudof Diesel, inventor of the diesel engine, apparently drowns after he mysteriously disappears from the mail steamer Dresden while crossing the English Channel. Legend has it that he was carrying secret plans for a new engine that ran on nothing but pure water.

1913 September 29 Under the Treaty of Constantinople, Turkey recovers the greater part of the province of Adrianople from Bulgaria.

1913 October 3 Congress enacts the Underwood-Simmons Tariff Act which lowers tariffs on 958 articles, including food-stuffs, clothing and raw materials. Rates on cotton are cut 50% and on woolens over 50%. Congress will enact the graduated income tax to make up the difference in revenues. (See October 22, 1914) (Schlesinger I)

1913 December 23 The Federal Reserve Act, already passed by the U.S. Congress, is approved by President Wilson.

1913 Rudolf Glauer, now calling himself Rudolf von Sebottendorff, moves to Berlin, claiming to have been adopted by Baron Heinrich von Sebottendorff in Turkey in 1911. The Baron's family in Germany recognizes the adoption and seems genuinely fond of him. (Roots)

1913 "Unionist" gunrunners cause bloodshed at Londonderry in Ireland.

1913 Danish physicist Niels Bohr publishes his atomic theory.

1913 Stalin is exiled to Siberia by the Czarist government. He will not return to Russia until 1917.

1913 Jorg Lanz von Liebenfels in Ostara I, #69, interprets the holy grail as an electrical symbol pertaining to the "panpsychic" powers of the pure-blooded "Aryan" race. The quest of the "Templeisen" (Templars) for the grail was a metaphor, Lanz said, for the strict eugenic practices of the Templar Knights designed to breed god-men. (Roots)

1913 Dr. Eugen Fischer's book Die Rehobother Bastards und das Bastardisierungsproblem beim Menschen (The Bastards of Rehoboth and the problem of miscegenation in Man) is published. In it he writes about the people of mixed blood in German South-West Africa: "We should provide them with the minimum amount of protection which they require, for survival as a race inferior to ourselves, and we should do this only as long as they are useful to us. After this, free competition should prevail and, in my opinion, this will lead to their decline and destruction." (Science)

1913 Antonius von der Linden begins publishing Geheime Weissenschaften (Secret Science, 1913-1920) consisting of reprints of esoteric texts from the Renaissance scholar Agrippa von Nettesheim. (Roots)

1913 Medical missionary Albert Schweitzer builds a hospital at Lambarene in Africa.

1913 Sigmund Livingstone among others forms the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), and a civil-rights statute is enacted in New York at the request of several other Jewish organizations.

1913 Russian revolutionary Joseph Stalin is exiled to Siberia by the Czarist government.

1913 American Charles Callahan publishes Washington: The Man and the Mason. It contain a letter wriiten by George Washington in 1798 to Reverend G.W. Snyder, acknowledging Washington's belief in the existence of the Illuminati and the revolutionary principles of Jacobinism in the United States. It is "too evident to be questioned," Washington writes. (View document)

1913 Mexican President Francisco Madero is killed in a military coup led by Victoriano Huerta.

1913 Rosa Luxemburg publishes her chief work, Accumulation of Capital (English translation, 1951), presenting her theory of imperialism.

1913 Adolf Hitler establishes contact with certain proto-Nazi circles in Munich, even before World War I. (Mein Kampf)

posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 07:06 AM
Here is a site were you will find more interesting information. It is the source for the time lines above. There is video there also. Have fun.

posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 07:19 AM
'Elders of Zion' Shape Our Culture
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
September 8, 2003

Like the blind man trying to describe an elephant, I am just beginning to appreciate the true dimensions of evil in the world. The problem is much more profound than I thought.

Since the so-called "Enlightenment" in the 1700's, Western culture has been based on a Lucifer-like rejection of God.

The Enlightenment actually refers to Lucifer, the "light giver." Lucifer symbolizes the light of the human intellect, the defiant assertion that man can go it alone.

Luciferians have an uncanny knack for making evil appear good, and good appear evil. For them, Lucifer represents the principle of good. He is the equal of the Christian God whom they describe as evil. The two exist together like light and darkness.

Christianity holds that man's salvation lies in doing God's will, not his own. For Christians, Lucifer represents man's rejection of God's Plan with predictably tragic results. Despite the lip service we still pay to God, modern western culture is fundamentally anti-Christian. It is Luciferian.

Our culture is premised on a tragic metaphysical revolt and a futile attempt to substitute sensual and material for spiritual fulfillment.

We cannot feel good without being good but Luciferians have deceived us into thinking we can. They have us implicated in our own demise.


God's Plan (universal love) naturally conflicts with the desire of a few to monopolize the world's wealth and power. Luciferians in the service of wealth engineered the so-called Enlightenment, as well as the Revolutionary Period (1776-1917) that toppled kings and the two World Wars (1919-1945) that ruined the great nations of Europe.

Luciferians made people think they were orphans in the universe by promoting Isaac Newton's mechanistic vision. When Newton's laboratory papers were finally examined, his actual "scientific work" turned out to be lurid and insane experiments in "black magic." Along with Isaac Newton, Lyndon LaRouche lists Francis Bacon, Hobbs, Walpole, Doestoevsky, Nietzsche, Jeremy Betham, John Ruskin, Bertram Russell, HG Wells as secret Satanists who have shaped our culture.

The party of revolution and "progress" has been the party of Lucifer. It is backed by influential Jewish Luciferians. "Through the press we have gained the power to influence while remaining ourselves in the shade, " says the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Fry,122). "The goyim have lost the habit of thinking unless prompted by the suggestion of our specialists." (124)

"Think of the successes we arranged for Darwinianism, Marxism, should be plain to see what a disintegrating effect these directives have had on the minds of the goyim." (121)

The Jewish Luciferians are savvy enough to believe in God (but not to obey Him.) This is revealed in their use of the concept of "freedom" to manipulate the masses.

"The word 'freedom' brings out to fight against...every kind of authority, even against God and the laws of nature. For this reason we, when we come into our kingdom, shall have to erase this word from the lexicon of life as implying a principle of brute force which turns mobs into bloodthirsty beasts." (126, emphasis mine)

The Elders of Zion say that freedom is viable when it rests "upon the foundation of faith in God, upon the brotherhood of humanity...This is why [we must] undermine all faith [in the] Godhead and the spirit, and to put in its place arithmetical calculations and material needs...Thus, all nations will be swallowed up in pursuit of gain and...will not take note of their common foe."

"This intensified struggle...will create, nay, has already created disenchanted, cold and heartless communities...Their only guide is gain, that is Gold, which they will erect into a veritable cult..."(128)

Isn't our world confirmation of the authenticity of this document?


What do the founders of Communism and class warfare really think about social equality?

"When our kingdom comes [it will be] essential [to teach that] the structure of human life requires division of labor and consequently the division of men into classes and conditions...owing in the difference in the objects of human activity there cannot be any equality..." (124)

Similarly, feminism is not about giving power to women but actually taking it away. Woman's real power lies in sexual surrender, which they exchange for love (marriage). The Luciferians propose that women should indulge in sex without love. Albert Pike, the leader of 19th Freemasonry advised his fellow masons:

"Woman fetters thee by thy desires; we say to the adept, ...use women often and without passion; thou wilt thus become master of thy passions and thou wilt enchain woman." (Occult Theocracy, p.234)

According to Lyndon Larouche, "reducing sexual practises to the level of bestiality is a crucial feature of Satanism in all historical periods..."


"Young maidens, do not defend your virtue," the Marquis de Sade advised.

Sade gave his name to sadism, which is the same as Satanism. Once discussed in horrified whispers, Sade is now often celebrated as a "heroic apostle of individual rights, a giant of philosophical thought, and a martyr for freedom of conscience." (Sade, A Biographical Essay" by Laurence Bongie,2000)

The Hollywood film Quills (2001) portrays ordinary folk gathering together to enjoy Sade's hard-core pornography as though it were a wholesome songbook or the Sears Christmas catalogue. The young heroine, a laundry girl played by Kate Winslett explains that bondage and flagellation provides relief from her tedious chores. I doubt if it helps her become a faithful wife or devoted mother.

"Let us give ourselves indiscriminately to everything our passions suggest, and we will always be happy...Conscience is not the voice of Nature but only the voice of prejudice," Sade wrote.

This is what Luciferians want us to believe but the truth is that real morality is not prejudice but a proven guide to health and happiness.

Oscar Wilde contends that the only way to overcome temptation is to succumb to it, but that assumes we will outgrow it. Satanists don't.

Sade was not imprisoned for his ideas but for "his repeated...criminal sexual assaults on women" according to Laurence Bongie. Hollywood bears responsibility for portraying him as a hero but this hasn't stopped them from planning another eulogy for homosexual pedophile Dr. Alfred Kinsey who died from a disease associated with self-abuse.


The triumph of immorality in popular culture is not random, not a concession to popular taste, not commercially driven. The relentless attack on wholesomeness is part of an insidious multi-century effort to subvert mankind, a cosmic struggle for the soul of man.

God is beckoning us to discover our divinity, our destiny, and our true bliss. But Luciferians do not intend for this to happen. They are gradually converting mankind to their Satanic culture. They use concepts such as free and equal to create a world that will be anything but. They have recruited armies of well-intentioned people whose careers depend on not seeing the big picture.

Let me leave you with this thought. What if the whole universe was created so that God could one day know Himself through His creation? What if we represented His most advanced work?

It's a heavy responsibility; one that mankind had better start taking seriously.

Otherwise, we will miss our Divine Rendezvous, and may not get another chance.

posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 07:23 AM
Did Rothschild Write The Protocols of Zion ?
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
September 21, 2003

Many people think "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" is anti Semitic "hate literature" and a fraud.

Nobel Prize winner Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote that the book exhibits "the mind of genius." Pretty good for a hoax, wouldn't you say?

Solzhenitsyn said it exhibits "great strength of thought and insight...Its design...(increasing freedom and liberalism, which is terminated in social cataclysm) well above the abilities of an ordinary mind...It is more complicated than a nuclear bomb."

I'm afraid Protocols may be genuine. They are lectures addressed to Jewish Luciferians (Illuminati, Freemasons) detailing an incredible plan to overthrow western civilization, subjugate mankind, and concentrate "all the wealth of the our hands."

The lectures, typical of similar Illuminati documents, were leaked to the Czarist Secret police and published in Russia in 1905.

The issue of anti Semitism diverts attention from this plot which has been unfolding for over 200 years and is behind world government, September 11, Iraq, Homeland Security and the bogus "War on Terror."


The plotters control the world's wealth. Their multinational corporations use Freemason symbols in their logos. Shell and Citibank have the rising sun; Exxon the double cross, CBS and Time Warner the eye of Horus; Alcan and AOL, the circle in the triangle.

Their mass media, education and politics all create an illusion of democracy in order to control and defraud humanity. The Great Seal of the United States reflects the unhappy truth. It is also a Freemason symbol and bears the inscription "We have achieved New World Order." Almost all American Presidents including George W. Bush are Freemasons or Illuminati.

Israel's Star of David (interlaced triangles) is the Masonic symbol of the double divinity, Adonai and Lucifer.

The issue of anti Semitism is irrelevant because Jewish and non-Jewish Luciferians intermarried long ago. (See Milan Martin, Lucifer's Children p.74) The elite now consists of humanity-haters of all stripes. No wonder corruption is endemic. As the Greeks say, "the fish rots from the head."


Meyer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812) played a key role in advancing this monstrous conspiracy. He was a follower of the occult Cabbalism (or Lucifer worship) that is the basis of Illuminism and Freemasonry. (See Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.)

Researchers have speculated that Adam Weishaupt or Asher Ginzberg penned Protocols.At first I thought it was Rothschild himself. But because someone pointed out that the book refers to Nietzche and Darwin, it is more likely that Rothschild's grandson, Lionel Nathan Rothschild (1809-1879) or someone like him, is the author. Lionel is the infamous Jewish banker "Sidonia" of Benjamin D'Israeli's novel Coningsby(1844).

I came to this conclusion after reading Protocols 20-23, the "financial programme... the crowning and the decisive point of our plans." These lectures require a detailed knowledge of finance and profound psychological insight. Moreover the author states that all power ultimately will reside in the "King of the Jews," which is how the Rothschilds were known. In general the Protocols provide a compelling explanation of world events as they have transpired.


The author makes clear that whoever creates money is sovereign. He ridicules the goyim kings for forfeiting this power and says that he doesn't intend to repeat this mistake." When we come into our Kingdom," the government will change from being "a payer of tribute by loan operations...into a lender at a profit."

"This measure will stop the stagnation of money, parasitic profits, and idleness which were useful for us among the goyim so long as they were independent but are not desirable under our rule."

The Protocols is full of Talmudic contempt for non-Jews. "How clear is the undeveloped power of thought of the purely brute brains of the goyim...What could have been simpler than to take the money they wanted from their own people? "...We "will put an end to those abuses to which we owe our mastery over the goyim, but which cannot be allowed in our Kingdom." (178)

(I am using the L. Fry edition of The Protocols, entitled Waters Flowing Eastward, available from


Similarly the bankers have financed intellectuals and politicians to promote a mania for "senseless utopian principles" like "collectivism," "freedom of conscience, equality and the like." (182) They are designed to bring down the Old Order but will have no place in the New.

"We have set them on the hobbyhorse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of collectivism...They have never yet and they never will reflect that this hobbyhorse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality..." (159)

"The purely brute mind of the goyim is incapable of analysis and observation and still more of foreseeing whither a certain matter of settling a question may trend...Their eyes are open but see nothing before them..." (160)

"Everything in this world is in a state of submission, if not to man, then to ... what is stronger. And so shall we be this something stronger for the sake of good." (163)


Estonian journalist Juri Lina has examined the recently opened Soviet archives and documented the connection between the Bolshevik Revolution and Jewish Illuminism in his book "Under the Sign of the Scorpion." (1994)

I will probably devote a separate column to this. Suffice to say that Communism was the outcome of the plan outlined in Protocols. No wonder this book was banned in the USSR on pain of death! Its status in America is a measure of our condition.

Karl Marx, Lenin and Trotsky, all Jewish Freemasons, were essentially dysfunctional losers who were employed by the Illuminist bankers to hoodwink the masses. Lenin for example had been an unsuccessful lawyer who had only six cases in which he defended shoplifters. He lost them all. A week later he gave up the law to become a highly paid revolutionary.

Lenin declared: "Peace means quite simply the domination of Communism over the entire world." His reign of terror caused nine million deaths but you never see him compared to Hitler. The secret police, the Cheka, dominated by Jews, published the names of 1.7 million people they murdered in 1918-1919, including 300,000 priests.

"A river of blood flowed through Russia," Lina writes. "According to official Soviet Reports, 1,695,904 people were executed from January 1921 to April 1922. Among these victims were bishops, professors, doctors, officers, policemen, lawyers, civil servants, writers...Their crime was 'anti social thinking' " (90)


Jews will never understand anti Semitism until they realize that it is not always based on irrational prejudice.

In 1920, Winston Churchill made a distinction between national and "International Jews." He said the latter are behind "a worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality...

It played ... a part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band ...[has] gripped the Russian people by the hair and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

Our culture, not Protocols, is a hoax. Luciferian Communist Jews set an example for the Nazis. This is not a debating contest where I convince you to agree with me or vice versa. I am concerned only with the historical record. Our focus must be on establishing the truth.

Luciferians like Rothschild, Lenin and Hitler still control the planet and intend to enslave humanity. I'm afraid that this will become increasingly evident. I pray I am wrong. This is a debate I want to lose.

posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 07:25 AM
Protocols Forgery Argument is Flawed
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
December 14, 2003

Next to the Bible The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is perhaps the mostly widely read book in the world.

Published in Russia in 1903, it purports to be the leaked master plan for "Jewish world domination." It is the kind of thing that would be studied at secret workshops of an occult society.

In different ways, both Zionists and Nazis have made it synonymous with virulent anti Semitism and genocide.

But surely Jews should not be blamed for the machinations of a tiny secret society. The vast majority of Jews would disavow this master plan if they believed it existed.

Surely one can condemn all racism and genocide in the strongest possible terms and still believe the Protocols are authentic.

In my opinion, the equation with anti Semitism is really a ploy to divert attention away from this master plan.

The plagiarism claim is part of a propaganda campaign waged by conscious and unconscious collaborators in academia and the media.


We are told that The Protocols of Zion is a hoax, a "proven forgery" concocted by the Tsarist Political Police (the Okhrana) to incite anti Semitism and discredit revolutionaries.

But the "proof" is far from convincing.

It consists of three articles published in The London Times (August 16-18, 1921) by Philip Graves.

According to Graves, Protocols is a crude, chapter-by-chapter plagiarism of Maurice Joly's Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu (1864).

It was easy to make this claim while Joly's book was unavailable. Napolean III's police confiscated it as soon as it was published.

But it is available now and I invite you to compare the two texts. In my opinion, they are entirely different in tone, content and purpose. At 140 pages, Dialogues is twice as long as Protocols. Most of it finds no echo in the Protocols.

The crux of Graves' argument is that certain references and passages in Protocols were lifted from Dialogues. He claims there are 50 of these and produces about a dozen.

Their striking resemblance to Protocols leaves little doubt that the author did refer to the Dialogues as part of his research. He had no compunction about borrowing or reshaping a few passages that struck his fancy.

Indeed Philip Graves is "struck by the absence of any effort on the part of the plagiarist to conceal his plagiarisms."

That's because he had nothing to hide.

He was not Graves' "unimportant precis- writer employed by the court or by the Okhrana" to construct a hoax.

He was a diabolical genius crafting an original work. It is simplistic and disingenuous to characterize Protocols as a hoax.


Graves' article smacks of a Zionist propaganda operation. Graves "expose" of Protocols appeared in August 1921 when Zionists were pressing the League of Nations to turn Palestine into a Jewish homeland under British Mandate.

Philip Grave tells the unlikely story that a "Mr. X" brought the Dialogues to him in Constantinople where he was the Times' correspondent. Mr. X presented it as "irrefutable proof" that the Protocols are a plagiarism.

Mr. X was a White Russian, which seems incredible given the Jewish role in the Bolshevik Revolution. He claims he bought the book from, get this, "a former member of the Okhrana" who had fled to Constantinople.

In The Controversy of Zion, (Chapter 34) Douglas Reed, a Times' staffer at the time, provides additional background.

In May 1920, Lord Northcliffe, a part owner of The Times, printed an article about the Protocols entitled "The Jewish Peril, A Disturbing Pamphlet, A Call for an Enquiry. " It concluded:

"An impartial investigation of these would-be documents and their history is most desirable...are we to dismiss the whole matter without inquiry and to let the influence of such a book as this work unchecked?"

Then in May 1922 Northcliffe visited Palestine and wrote that Britain had been too hasty to promise it to the Jewish people when in fact it belonged to 700,000 Muslim Arab residents.

Mr. Wickham Steed, the editor of The Times of London in 1921 refused to print the article and Northcliffe tried to get him fired.

Somehow Steed was able to have Northcliffe declared "insane" and committed. Later Northcliffe complained he was being poisoned and died suddenly in 1922.

Douglas Reed was Northcliffe's secretary but didn't learn of these events until they appeared in the Official History of the Times in the 1950's.

Clearly Northcliffe had offended some "big boys" when he opposed the British Mandate in Palestine. Why was it so important?

Israel is intended to be the capital of the Masonic World Government. They are already constructing the infrastructure. See "The Roots of Evil in Jerusalem."


Philip Graves and the other apologists are incorrect to claim the Protocols plagiarize the Dialogues chapter by chapter.

Graves writes that "the Seventh Dialogue...corresponds with the fifth, sixth, seventh and part of the eighth Protocol. "

At eight pages, these Protocols are twice as long as the Seventh Dialogue.

They mostly contain material not in the Seventh Dialogue, or anywhere else. I will list a few examples from Protocol Five alone.

Protocol Five says "our kingdom will be distinguished by a despotism of such magnificent proportions" that it will "wipe out any goyim who oppose us by deed or word."

In contrast Seventh Dialogue says, "Death, expropriation and torture should only play a minor role in the internal politics of modern states."

Protocols Five says we "robbed [the goyim] of their faith in God" and "insinuated into their minds the conception of their own rights" thereby undermining the authority of Kings. There is nothing comparable in Dialogue Seven.

Protocol Five says, "we shall so wear down the goyim that they will be compelled to offer us international power [allowing us] gradually to absorb all State forces of the world and to form a Super-Government." There is nothing comparable in Dialogue Seven.

Protocol Five says the "engine" of all states is "in our hands" and that engine is "Gold." "We were chosen by God Himself to rule over the whole earth." There is nothing comparable in Dialogue Seven.


The author of Protocols does select a few passages or references from Dialogues that appear unaltered (see Graves) or in different form.

For example, the Dialogues' say: " Everywhere might precedes right. Political liberty is merely a relative idea. The need to live is what dominates states as it does individuals."

In Protocols this becomes, "From the law of nature right lies in might. Political freedom is an idea but not a fact, and one must know how to use it [political freedom] as a bait whenever it appears necessary to attract the masses ... to one's party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority." (Protocols 1)

Graves leaves out the last part to make the resemblance seem greater than it is.

Dialogues (7) say, "Revolutionary ferment which is suppressed in one's own country should be incited throughout Europe."

In Protocols (7) "Throughout all Europe ... we must create ferments, discords, hostilities." There is no reference to suppressing these in one's own country.

The author of Protocols is not a forger creating a hoax, but a conspirator forging an original work.


Both books belong to the "immoral school" of political theory. Machiavelli pays homage to a long list of rulers "who are progenitors of my doctrine." Both preach might makes right, "good" comes from evil, and the end justifies the means.

But the similarity ends there. The tone of the Dialogues is dry and theoretical. It is a debate between fictional political theorists: Montesquieu a champion of democracy and Machiavelli, a champion of tyranny. Dialogues is considered a critique of the reign of Napolean III.

Montesquieu asks how to quell the spirit of anarchy in society. Machiavelli prescribes a "monster called the state" which maintains a democratic artifice but is actually controlled by the "Prince." He talks about how to suppress secret societies.

On the other hand, the tone of Protocols is frankly conspiratorial and subversive and pays homage to Lucifer. Protocols is a "strategic plan from which we cannot deviate without running the risk of seeing the labour of many centuries come to naught." (Protocol 1)

We are struck by a sense of relevance when reading Protocols. We immediately recognize its baneful influence in today's world. See "Did Rothschild Write The Protocols of Zion?" "Protocols is the NWO Blueprint" and "Protocols Dominates Our Culture" .


Since Graves' articles, there have been a few books arguing the "forgery" thesis. The latest is Norman Cohn, Warrant for Genocide (1970).

Graves and Cohn admit that "the Financial Programme" (Protocols 20-24) which the author calls "the crowning and decisive point of our plans" is largely original.

For serious researchers, Australian researcher Peter Myers presents pro and con views.

Goebbels said that propaganda is effective only when the reader doesn't realize it is propaganda. It follows that dupes write the best propaganda. For example, see Rick Salutin, Protocols of Zion's Critics.


One hundred million people were slaughtered in the last century but no one considers the possibility that the human race might have been subverted.

War is hell but no one thinks Satan worshipers might be behind it.

I suspect the Second World War was a battle for racial superiority between Jewish and Aryan wings of the Illuminati who in fact are united at the top.

The private central bankers of England, the U.S. and Nazi Germany made the war possible. They worked as one at the Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland. (See Charles Higham, Trading With the Enemy.)

The purpose of the war was to degrade, defraud and demoralize humanity. The Holocaust provided a rationale for the establishment of Israel as headquarters of the New World Order. Aryans, Jews and many others were sacrificed and exploited.

In my opinion, the outlawing of Protocols on pain of death in Bolshevik Russia and its execration in the West today proves its authenticity.

Mankind is in the grip of a diabolical conspiracy. In order to make good people do bad things, truth must be tailored to fit the political purpose. This is Communist and feminist teaching.

I would like to be proven wrong, but in the case of Protocols, the "forgery" argument is propaganda.

posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 07:28 AM
The Protocols of Zion Updated
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
February 15, 2004

In 1976, the plan for "Jewish world domination" outlined in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion had been largely realized. Harold Wallace Rosenthal, 29, a personal assistant to New York Senator Jacob Javits felt that Jewish power was so unassailable that he could make some extra cash by telling this story to Walter White Jr., the editor of the Conservative monthly Western Front.

"Too many Jews do not have the guts to tell you how we live and plan, but I am not intimated by anything or anyone," Rosenthal told White.

"It is too late for your Christian followers to put up a defence. That time is long past. Long, long ago we had to become the aggressors! That is undoubtedly one of our great purposes in life. We are aggressors!"" target="_blank" class="postlink">This shocking 17-page interview, which contradicts the Jewish image as victims, has been online for some time. It ranks with the revelations of Benjamin Freedman, and C.G. Rakovsky as a description of the real forces directing the world.

Rosenthal needed gambling money but his candor cost him his life. On Aug. 12, 1976, he was killed in a foiled skyjacking in Istanbul. Walter White concluded that the incident was a cover for Rosenthal's murder.

A commemorative Rosenthal "Fellowship in International Relations" discreetly furthers the work he indiscreetly exposed. Oddly, there is no picture of Rosenthal on their web site.

The interview is virulently anti Semitic in the sense that both men characterize this conspiracy as "Jewish" and make many nasty racist generalizations. In fact, "the Jews" are really the Rothschilds and a few hundred banking families and their non-Jewish allies united by intermarriage and occult beliefs. The vast majority of Jews like other people are unaware of this plot and would oppose it if they were. Jews are as much its unwitting dupes and victims as anyone else.

The Rothschilds set up the Illuminati in 1776 to subvert the Christian basis of Western Civilization. They took over much of Freemasonry and used it to infiltrate all social institutions. Mouthing words like "freedom," "equality" and "progress," they are bent on melding family, race, religion, and nation into a malleable mush. Their world police state, now called "globalization," lies behind the facade of "The Patriot Act" and "The War on Terror."

Rosenthal says, "Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer...and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."

This statement applies to modern culture as a whole. We do not like to admit that our "secular" society is based on a cosmic rebellion against God. Its true satanic character is becoming more evident every day.


Rosenthal says the "Jews" have built an earthly empire partly by rejecting Christ's vision of a spiritual kingdom based on brotherly love. Jewish bankers plan to govern the world from Jerusalem according to their own interests.

He says the Jewish religion is essentially a disguise for a racial imperative. "We can live among other people and states [by] persuading them that the Jews are not a distinct people but the representatives of a religious faith..."

"Jewish" power was created through control of the monetary system.

"Through our national bank, the Federal Reserve, we extend book credit which we create from nothing to all local banks ...[Thus] we bring industry, management and labour into our debt...and pit management against labour so they will never unite and attack us and usher in a debt-free industrial utopia."

Through control of banking, the "Jews" acquired a total monopoly of "the movie industry, the radio networks and the newly developing television media...we took over the publication of all school materials... Even your music! We censor the songs released for publication long before they reach the publishers...we will have complete control of your thinking."

He boasts that they even implanted a "guilt complex" over the Holocaust and anti Semitism that prevents society from addressing the problem.

"We Jews have put issue upon issue to the American people. Then we promote both sides of the issue as confusion reigns. With their eyes fixed on the issues, they fail to see who is behind every scene. We Jews toy with the American public as a cat toys with a mouse."

Rosenthal avers that society can only escape this death clutch by violent action not education.

"History has been written in blood, not with ink. No letter, editorial or book has ever rallied the people or stopped tyranny. We understand this principle and are forever propagandizing the people to write letters to the President, to Congress...Woe be unto us if they ever see the futility of it, lay down the pen and employ the sword."

But Rosenthal is not worried. Alluding to the promotion of feminism and homosexuality, he says:

"We have castrated society through fear and intimidation. Its manhood exists only in combination with a feminine outward appearance. Being so neutered, the populace has become docile and easily ruled. As all geldings...their thoughts are not involved with the concerns of the future and their posterity, but only with the present and with the next meal."

Rosenthal talks about how a "Jewish" invisible government also controls the USSR, and how the UN is "nothing but a trap door to the Red World's immense concentration camp." He says this invisible power is responsible for the wars and revolutions of the last 200 years.

At times the interview seems almost too damning, and we wonder if it is authentic. Why would someone who says he aspires to national prominence allow such an interview to be taped? Couldn't he be blackmailed? He makes many unflattering and untrue generalizations about Jews, which also seems implausible. At times he veers widely from arrogance to insecurity. At one point, he says Jews have made plans to pack up and flee.

Ultimately you will make up your own mind. I believe the contradictions are due to self-hatred and a subconscious desire for expiation. The interview contains many insights only an insider could have, for eg. the references to Lucifer, religion/race and violent change. They are consistent with my information.

The tone of racial arrogance also rings true. Rosenthal expresses incredulity at the spinelessness and gullibility of the American people. He says a Jew remains a Jew whether he converts to another religion or not. I doubt if a Christian Conservative like Walter White would pull off the kind of stunt he condemns "the Jews" for doing.


Walter White seems to think the "Jews" are the "ringleaders" of the Luciferianism cabal known as "Mystery Babylon." Certainly the Rothschilds are central players but the cast is large and includes many others.

By presenting this information, I am trying to inspire Jews and non-Jews alike to remove the media blindfold and recognize that Luciferians have hijacked humanity and modern culture largely is a fraud designed to disguise this fact.

True culture is based on religion, i.e. a collective commitment to spiritual ideals such as absolute justice, love, beauty and truth. "God is a Spirit and we worship him in Spirit and in Truth," Christ said. (John 4:24)

We are living in the twilight of Christian culture. We have no genuine ideals to take its place. The elite's Orwellian doublespeak (selectively applied "freedom", "tolerance," "diversity," "human rights" and "equality") is manipulation and mind control.

Jews will have to disown organized Jewry, which is controlled by the bankers. Fifty per cent of American Jews do not identify with Judaism in any way. The number that converted to another religion more than doubled since 1990 and now represents 25% of the total.

However most Jews, like non-Jews, are "secular humanists" which is Luciferianism in disguise. Humanism is the notion that man can build a utopia based on "reason." In practice, humanism is a front for the Illuminist bankers and their allies.

Reason cannot be divorced from morality. Remember I am the inventor of Scruples. "You find a wallet containing $3000. By the address you can tell the owner is wealthy. Your family is hungry. Do you keep the money?" That would be reasonable.

Humanism holds that man is already divine and therefore free to indulge his appetites and reject God's Plan. This is what the humanist means when he preaches "freedom."

In fact humanity is still very much a work in progress. We were put on earth to embody God's Plan, (i.e. spiritual ideals.) God did not give us freedom so we could fail.


(Note: On Nov. 29 2005 I had a telephone conversation with Des Griffin who told me that he was invited to Walter White's house in CA and listened to the tape of the interview. The Rosenthal character in the interview sounded like a bad actor reading from a script. Certain words were repeated. He says the information is totally credible but the conspiracy is real and does not need to be embellished by fraud.)

[edit on 20-7-2008 by Swingarm]

posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 07:33 AM
Here is a LINK to more articles by Henry Makow. You will find several more on this subject there as well as many other thought provoking articles. Enjoy

posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 07:50 AM
reply to post by Swingarm

The very first paragraph of your glorious post about the publishing of some new conspiracy book, mentions "diverse" historians. I'm sorry, I'm not a well educated man but does the term "diverse" mean revisionist or fake historian? Do you even need formal education in a real college setting complete with a degree to be considered a "diverse" historian?

There is no proof that Roosevelt knew anything about Pearl Harbor. I believe there were several congressional hearings which would have been more than happy to find a demoncrat at fault for Japan's attack.

Known history and truthful facts will never stop a hoax or conspiracy, as has been proven hundreds of times within this site, but keep the lack of knowledge alive.

Your entire post is malarkey. You know what malarkey is, its the "white" part of chicken sh*t.

posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 07:57 AM
Hoax or no Hoax its seems to ring true to what is happening in the world at this time. Why such a concern over wether its a hoax or not???? All you need to do is open your eyes and look around
the credibilty of the material doesnt even matter. Those tactic's are been used now as we speak!

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