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Originally posted by SavageHenry
Geez and McCain and Ghram try to say were "delusional"
What was found in IRAQ is not WMD... They were ALL degraded munitions found in remote pockets.. half buried by time in swamps and so forth from over 15 years ago!
but see now heres the thing, phospherous, and mustard gas shells from WWI, yes, world war one, are still active and have the ability to blow you into so many tiny pieces you wouldnt be able to fill a condom. Live ordinances are live ordinances, it doesnt matter if thier 80 years old or 15 years old they still have active material and are even more dangerous due to the fact that rust and weather have damaged discharge mechanisims making them even more dangerous than shells that are fresh off the munitions lot. You can easily extract the material and duplicate it. Now I'm not saying that they did or had the intention of doing so but it is something to think about.
Originally posted by newgeneric
As far as I'm concerned, until they find weapons that could wipe other countries completely off the map...they have not found weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION.
Chemical weapons cause death and destruction for a small surrounding area. Nuclear weapons cause MASS DESTRUCTION.
Let me repeat...weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION have not been found...
Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by mind is the universe
Got anything intelligent to add to this topic. I suspect you would have posted proof that statement was wrong if you had any. If you are saying those shells never existed, cough up the proof?
What's your opinion of Saddam by the way? Love him, hate him; what? Was he a good man? Was he and his kid's right in how they treated people? Did the hundreds of thousands they killed and tortured deserve what happened to them? How would you have removed him if you had to decide?
Originally posted by jdr92487
Heres the other thing that many people dont understand. When we say WMDs everyone automatically thinks of giant nuclear cruise missles or ICBMs. The reality is what we are looking for in Iraq amounts to the size of a cell phone in a desert. We are literally looking for a needle in a haystack people. You can have enough nuclear material in a cell phone of depleated plutonium to wipe out an area as large as the state of Ohio. Food for thought.
Simply, the Bush administration claim of aluminum tubes that could only be used for fissionable material centrifuge refinement for nuclear weapons is directly refuted by the best expert witnesses available, the US Department of Energy and the International Atomic Energy Agency. Their conclusion is that the tubes in question had diameters too small, the tubes were too thick, using aluminum as the material would be “a huge step backwards,” and the surface was anodized that made them impossible to serve this purpose. They also found that the tubes were easily explained for use of conventional weapon manufacturing, as the specifications perfectly matched tubing for that purpose.
The CIA rejected any non-nuclear use for the aluminum tubing. The media learned that the use of the tubing was investigated by the U.S. Army National Ground Intelligence Center. It concluded that the use of this particular high strength aluminum tubing would have been "exquisite," far in advance of what is needed for a MRLS. One knowledgeable expert, however, said that the Ground Intelligence Center did not receive all the information.
Originally posted by mind is the universe
Saddam was a puppet, an eejit, an ally, a terrorist, a nice man, a bad man, a dictator, a weak man, a friend. He had weapons, He had none.
Originally posted by illuminist
reply to post by unnamedninja
last I checked we were using white phosphorous in Iraq. Which is a horrible and disgusting chemical weapon!
Originally posted by argentus
reply to post by mind is the universe
I've been hearing this for years. Just one question, and this isn't a challenge to you -- we're all just talking here, working out ideas --
Where is the oil? How it the world could any country think that by knocking off the government head that they could then, what, seize the oil, ship it back to the US and allied nations? Do you really believe this, or has it just sounded good over the years. I'm really curious.