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Originally posted by TheOracle
Is it OK to support troops when they breach the shall not kill commandment?
Are they immune from this, if so why? How would God judge them, even if for most of them its only a job or duty? Are military actions acceptable when a country isnt in a direct threat?
and finally would a good christian even join the army? An entity one must blindly obey?
Originally posted by TheOracle
Is it OK to support troops when they breach the shall not kill commandment?
Are they immune from this, if so why? How would God judge them, even if for most of them its only a job or duty? Are military actions acceptable when a country isnt in a direct threat?
and finally would a good christian even join the army? An entity one must blindly obey?
Originally posted by TheOracle
Is it OK to support troops when they breach the shall not kill commandment?
Are they immune from this, if so why? How would God judge them, even if for most of them its only a job or duty? Are military actions acceptable when a country isnt in a direct threat?
and finally would a good christian even join the army? An entity one must blindly obey?
Originally posted by TheOracle
furthermore, IMHO it was wrong that the jews, as talked about in the bible, killed masses of ppl... except for the virgins, of course, who were treated as disposable thus the value of their life was not cherished and respected. i find it to be a selfish "convenience" that their "God" ordered them to do it, which appears, to me, to be an act of displacing the blame of their barbaric decisions onto something/someone else thus excusing them (or so they think) from taking personal responsibility for their decisions and/or actions; much like ppl try to excuse the soldiers decisions and/or actions by saying that they have been "ordered" to do *this and that*.
anyway, that is how i view it.
Very well said! The wars of man are just that. Any killing done under any name other than self-defense can not be justified.
oh, and anyone that views "killing" as their job is most definately killing for their own personal agenda (whether to be paid or get a better education or whatever the recruits use to get young men and women to sign over their souls. the individual soldiers have, in essence, sold their soul in the effort for personal gain......... just seems wrong)
Agreed.
question for thought: has anyone wondered if the Creator is testing ppl's true character when they are told by a "higher up" (whether god or man) to kill, steal, rape, humiliate, etc etc? wrong is wrong. fighting wrong is right though, IMO
Could also be that some people cannot differentiate the good "voices" from the evil ones?
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 12:29 (King James Version)
29And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
Leviticus 26:22 (this is the Lord speaking) I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.
Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
Ezekiel 9:4-6 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. 5And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
To justamomma
The Old Testament covenant is finished so quoting Exodus, Leviticus, etc. is of limited relevance. Those were brutal primitive times in the BC era and required laws that dealt with society as such. We under Christ now and "love your neighbor" trumps those OT laws...
Originally posted by justamomma
"Notice that in the Bible, God does kill people, but not before they sin. God knows that they will sin, and yet he does nothing until they commit the crime, before punishing them."
well, this isn't true.
Exodus 12:29
Leviticus 26:22 (this is the Lord speaking) I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.
Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
(also makes me wonder how they determined if a woman was "known" by a man or not....... kind of scary)
Ezekiel 9:4-6
these are only a few of the many examples. how are children held responsible for the corruption of those before them?
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
The Old Testament covenant is finished so quoting Exodus, Leviticus, etc. is of limited relevance. Those were brutal primitive times in the BC era and required laws that dealt with society as such. We under Christ now and "love your neighbor" trumps those OT laws...
Originally posted by DJMessiah
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Once again, in the verse, it says that one cannot punish the sinner with death, until they commit the crime (and in this case, working on Friday).
So to answer your question, God allows the killing others in self-defense, or after a crime has been committed, if you believe "Though shall not murder," but not if you believe "Thou shall not kill."