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posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 05:33 PM
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The world loves hypocrisy. Just look at Rense.com and his frothing over the atrocities of Israel towards Palestinians (MEANWHILE HIS TAX DOLLARS HAVE SLAUGHTERED 10,000'S OF IRAQI CIVILIANS!). Oh the joys of hypocrisy, what can you do?




posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 07:37 PM
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It wasn't my 'best' rebuttal because it wasn't a rebuttal at all.


phew! i thought not and i hoped not! I know you are much more well written...


So, for the sake of pain-free heads, I decided not to debate anything this time.


doh! well then, ow what am i gunna do with my quick draw exedrin bottle?

but... to be honest, your argument last time (at least at times was pointless drivel about a small detail of an argument that was unnecesary. please forgive my incessant argumentative demeanor...
..im really not quite as opinionated as I come off to be..i think it is ats that drags it out of me...or maybe expressions from certain members...back at ya
)



Yes, it is what I believe and I made this extremely clear in my comments on this thread that it is my belief as a Christian.


yes, well like i said, i think you wish to ignore many,many of the "dots"



You totally missed my point.


No, I understood the point. I was providing alternative evidence that the "hate" of the Jews may stem from some of their own actions from thousands of years ago. One of those dots you choose to ignore.

~Pop another one~



Again, let's keep our Asprin bottles full this time.


Wish I could,but I have a 10 mo. that likes to crawl everywhere..including out the dam door!..crap



And, once more, that is all I read of your comment.


big surprise there..cant remember the last time you actually debated a fact or two...



fun as always miss ashley im sure ill hear more from you again..ill have my excedrin ready and awaiting



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 08:19 PM
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what zionism and imperialism is everyone talking about?

the jews would have accepted less than 15% of original palestine/israel
carved
out after ww! in exchange for everyone leaving them alone.

anyone have any proof of thepalestine arabs trying to get some
peace going in the region.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by abelievingskeptic
but... to be honest, your argument last time (at least at times was pointless drivel about a small detail of an argument that was unnecesary.


Yes that is what happens when you keep pushing the same question. You keep getting the same answer.



please forgive my incessant argumentative demeanor...
..im really not quite as opinionated as I come off to be..


No reason to apologize and there is nothing wrong with being opinionated.



No, I understood the point. I was providing alternative evidence that the "hate" of the Jews may stem from some of their own actions from thousands of years ago. One of those dots you choose to ignore.


I didn't ignore it because it is as simple as this. Most people who hate the Jews are most likely going to think the Bible is a compilation of fairy tales. So, there's no logical reason for holding something against them (I believe the incident with the Canaanites was your example) when you never believed it even happened. Then looking through documented and confirmed extrabiblical history, there really isn't much there an unbiased person would say merits the persecution and slaughter the Jews received.

And I am not glossing over your points. At least not without a reason. You are saying things that simply are not true and are putting words in my mouth. So a casual glimpse was all it took realize a pointless discussion when I see one.

Like, for instance, since we already pointed out how you disagreed with me then made the exact same point I did [a Mad Hatter antic], another clue this was a headache waiting to happen is when you automatically assumed there is 'no' evidence to back up what I am saying. Did you even bother asking me before assuming? No, but I can assure you there is evidence. You could have asked before declaring victory.
After seeing those two things happen, I didn't bother reading the rest.


~Pop another one~


Not quite so fast. My point still stands.
I was pointing out the answers many were offering in this thread and that their focus was on the last 60 years. My point is saying this does nothing to explain the unfounded hatred for the Jews in past centuries.



big surprise there..cant remember the last time you actually debated a fact or two...


Oh really? I do. It was the last time our paths crossed. Begin HERE with your first address to me then continue on for a while. We had some fun.


Now it looks like a good time to excuse myself as I am not as well stocked up on Excedrin as you claim to be.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 09:33 PM
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Yes that is what happens when you keep pushing the same question. You keep getting the same answer.


You took an example and sidetracked the entire discussion...the proof is right there in your own words. I suggest you read it again.

jeez...anyways



No reason to apologize and there is nothing wrong with being opinionated.


certainly not. i was just pointing out my normal approach to these types of issues.



I didn't ignore it because it is as simple as this. Most people who hate the Jews are most likely going to think the Bible is a compilation of fairy tales.


Bravo!! A real answer/ reply!
..Wheres the advil to stop the heart attack?!
Now, I hope you are not grouping me into the "anti-semite group." Because anyone that ctually read my posts will clearly see this is not the case.



So, there's no logical reason for holding something against them (I believe the incident with the Canaanites was your example) when you never believed it even happened.


Assumptions. Assumptions...who said I did not believe the Canaanite story or the Bible? Surely you are not referring to me? I do, in fact, believe this story and most of the Bible, albeit after rooting through exaggerations and hyperbole. Just not that Jews were divinely inspired to kill everyone. So "just" that God is, eh?


And I am not glossing over your points.

..This is by far the most comedic thing I have ever read from you...there are so, so, so many points you have never even begun to address that I have presented to you it's not even funny..or maybe it kinda is. I often wonder why I engage you sometimes. It very much seems pointless at times. It seems as though you are talking to readers, instead of me. Much like how when the member of a congregation asks a question to the preacher and the preacher answers to the crowd.

As I have stated before, I respect your opinion and your point of view. But just because you have done research into apologetics does not mean they are correct / unbiased observations. From some of the letters I have read they seem to be bias indeed. Therefor, I believe you are not looking at the big picture in the end.

Though I will digress that it is apparent I do not have the understanding or education you seem to have in this subject. I have come to my views through logic and the information I have studied somewhat. Like I have stated many times before, I am willing to listen to all arguments presented with some evidence and or real logic (not just because the Bible said so logic). I even went to the links that used to be in your signature that supposedly "explained" questions people had about the Bible, but the most I saw were questions regarding faith with limited to no evidence supporting the answers provided. In a word. they were:

weak.



You are saying things that simply are not true and are putting words in my mouth.


liiiiiiiike...


My objective here is not to lie, manuever around the truth or hide/fabricate anything. If you feel I have done that, by all means point it out. It is to confroint a belief that I believe can lead to dangerous situations. Like the one we have in the ME right now. This is a direct extension of an extreme belief that has negative attributes. (that is not directed at the belief in Jesus Christ or God, but in the belief as Jews are 'Gods' "chosen people" and hence have a divine right to a land supposedly "promised by God"...not even all Jews believe in this aspect of Judaism btw)



you automatically assumed there is 'no' evidence to back up what I am saying. Did you even bother asking me before assuming?


I have been ready and waiting for evidence for quite sometime. I have asked for anything, but never been directed to where i can find it.

If you have it, by all means hun...sh!t or get off the pot...

~Pop another one~

edit for less harshness...im a little too sarcastic sometimes..but its all in good fun..a more interesting read i think


[edit on 5-7-2008 by abelievingskeptic]



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 09:53 PM
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I'll read your novella in a bit. I stopped at the 'anti-semite' remark. No, never once did I get that impression from you at all!
So please don't worry about that at all. We can have questions and discussions without jumping to such harsh conclusions.


BBL...

Edit to add real quick: This caught my eye:


If you have it, by all means hun...sh!t or get off the pot...


Oh goodness. From Excedrin to Exlax!



What new depths will be sunken to next? Time will tell...

[edit on 7/6/2008 by AshleyD]



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 09:59 PM
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What new depths will be sunken to next? Time will tell...


haha
..ya, i thought twice before posting it, but hey!..you only live once, right?..or do you?:



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 10:01 PM
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I thought this was about why Israel is hated and not some love making session between Ashley and Allbeliving....if you want love making join my adult film set


With that being said read my above post which are some good reasons why Israel is not well liked and why they are perceived in some cases as not well liked.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 10:12 PM
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....if you want love making join my adult film set


i thought recruiting was illegal here on ats...but hey,im down...how much does it pay?


sorry op for off topic...just a little light humor on a hot cali night


my 4th was a little too down to earth...vegas next year baby



ill check ur post, medium size unit. i mean ..big
yaya big unit

edit to add:

just checked it out...without getting into all the religious reason as to why Israel is disliked I would have to agree whole-heartedly and say "well said" to boot..
star there big dawg

[edit on 5-7-2008 by abelievingskeptic]



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 10:33 PM
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Hey nothing wrong with a little humor that was my point in my post it looked like it was getting a little intense there
A little humor on a VERY hot south Florida night. Keep in mind male porn stars dont make much money its the females that make the cash.....sigh



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 10:53 PM
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i dont think i have ever been upset at anything I have ever read here on ats...i mean what would be the point?

i find it quite entertaining and fun to debate real issues that we face today and at the same time push a few buttons (purposefully or not)

I have no hard feelings toward Ashley or anyone on ATS for that matter. I would totally have a toast with the lady anytime, regardless of her perspective.

so, to that I say kompi, salud and cheers!



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 12:06 AM
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For the record, ABS and I make each other want to pull out our own hair but I get a kick out of him/her for some reason. I 'get' them. There is no animosity between us. It's all in good fun.
Ok, meat & potatoes time!

 



Originally posted by abelievingskeptic
You took an example and sidetracked the entire discussion...the proof is right there in your own words. I suggest you read it again.


No, actually you brought up that specific example. Reread.



Assumptions. Assumptions...who said I did not believe the Canaanite story or the Bible? Surely you are not referring to me?


Uh oh. Now who is assuming? I never claimed you deny the Canaanite story. You already stated you did not hate them and I calmed your concerns by stating never once did I get the impression from you that you were antisemitic. Go back and reread my post. This thread is discussing the issue of why the world hates Israel and the Jews. So we are obviously not talking about you then are we? If you do not hate Israel or the Jews, then it was not a reference to you. Assumptions, assumptions.


This is by far the most comedic thing I have ever read from you...there are so, so, so many points you have never even begun to address that I have presented to you it's not even funny..or maybe it kinda is. I often wonder why I engage you sometimes.


Utterly false. Go back and reread our past debate I linked you to. You made the exact same accusation then that I was not responding to your questions (oddly enough after you had thanked me previously for taking so much time to respond to you). I then linked you to several novel-length replies that took me hours to write. It's all their for anyone to see. I finally stated I was tired of our endless discourse and excused myself from that discussion. Look around ATS and you will see that I have actually answered the very things you had asked after I admitted you finally wore me out: It was concerning the Exodus and the Jewish captivity in Egypt, I believe. I have discussed that subject many, many times on ATS.

Just because I finally tired of your Mad Hatter antics does not mean I have 'never even begun to address what you have presented to me.' Please try again. We started out discussing 'undesigned coincidences' in the Bible and I patiently followed you down all of the bunny trails you took me on for pages and answered everything you had asked, many times spending hours answering your questions, before finally admitting I was tired and bored.


Insert some off topic two-paragraph tirade into this quote block.


Ah, see this is where I think our problem lies. I could not care less if anyone here believes what I do. Not that I am some heartless person that is not concerned with anyone else's eternal fate but because I refuse to try to get anyone to agree with me if it means I have to get preachy or force my beliefs down someone's throat. It's not my job to tell others what to believe or to convince anyone and I certainly am not interested in spoon feeding anyone. I will simply drop my beliefs into threads and leave it up to the other person to weigh the evidence and arguments before reaching their own conclusion- whether they end up agreeing with me or agree to disagree. Either way, I am content because I know why I beleive what I do. So your claims about 'weakness' is completely unimportant to me. That is your decision to label something as weak or strong. It's not my business what you believe.

I think once you understand that, you will see where I am coming from. I could not care less if anyone agrees with the perspective I originally brought to this thread which stated the hatred towards Israel and Jews is a spiritual battle. So when I see people say, 'Prove it Ash!' I snicker to myself and move along because I could not be any less interested in justifying myself. Happy to explain upon being asked which I do further below, sure. But justifying, No.


liiiiiiiike...


My objective here is not to lie, manuever around the truth or hide/fabricate anything.

If you feel I have done that, by all means point it out.


Well, this post alone has provided examples of where you have distorted something I have said or claimed something that was not true. And you do it yet again. I said you have been putting words into my mouth and saying things that are not true. You just put words into my mouth again by claiming that must mean I think you are 'lying, maneuvering around the truth, and hiding/fabricating something.' However, I simply said the things you are saying were untrue. As in, you are misunderstanding this current discourse and forgetting our last one. I see ATS members jump to conclusions by accusing others all the time of lying but never once did I say you were lying. That is what you thought I was saying when actually I merely thought you either misunderstood or forgot. So quit putting words into my mouth and assuming things, K?



I have been ready and waiting for evidence for quite sometime. I have asked for anything, but never been directed to where i can find it.

If you have it, by all means hun...sh!t or get off the pot...


And I am laughing once again because, to my knowledge, this is the first time you or anyone else in this thread has asked why I believe what I stated in my first comment. So it's a little unfair to tell me to empty my bowels or get off the pot, Hm? Unless I missed the question due to my habit of skimming, nobody asked me to explain my beliefs until you just now and, going back to what I said before, I couldn't be any less interested in explaining myself. But of course I will tell you anyways because you finally asked.


The reason I believe it is a spiritual battle is of course what the Bible says about it but also with how the prophecy had been fulfilled. We are told there will be an animosity between the descendants of Isaac and the descendants of Ishmael. This is indeed how it has played out throughout history since Biblical times. This would then lead us into the debate we ran into last time where you asked me to prove Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael's existence and that they not only existed but that they existed in the way the Bible says they did. I provided you with some links and some information to confirm some of my thoughts on the subject and admitted that I take the rest on faith. On a world-wide scale and not an issue limited only to Muslims and Jews, we are also told Israel will be a stumbling block to the world and that the Jews would be hated. This again has come true again and again.

Now, before you accuse me of using the Bible to verify the Bible, I would like to say this is very similar to what is done in scientific circles to test a hypothesis. Predictions are made and the hypothesis can be accepted or rejected based on the outcome. These must also be testable and falsifiable. I would say the Bible passed the predictions of this 'hypothesis' with flying colors. Everything it mentions concerning the world's reaction and treatment of Israel and the Jews has come to pass with tremendous accuracy. So, the concept of this being a spiritual battle is verified in my mind (and it is up to you to make up your own) through the test of predictions and successful fulfillment and falsifiability.

There are some other reasons why I believe my original statement in this thread but that is a good one. And of course an obvious example to explain the animosity between Muslims and Jews as a spiritual battle is because it is religion based. HERE is a brief article that briefly touches on this discussion. I've been bombarded by the Proof proof proof! Evidence evidence, evidence! brigade since first coming to ATS and sometimes it feels I can't say, 'I love Jesus' around here without having to prove Jesus existed, He fulfilled the Messianic prophesies, Methuselah lived to be 969 years old, provide the apostles' DNA samples, prove Noah's flood and creationism, and pick up other members in my time machine so they can witness all the Biblical events for themselves. So in this regard, I say this is what I believe, why I believe it, and you do not have to agree. It's what I beleive because I can see the effects of the hatred towards the Jews, often unexplained, all around me, and it passes the test of predictive falsifiability.


haha..ya, i thought twice before posting it, but hey!..you only live once, right?..or do you?:


Well, I could care less but it is against the T&C's to bypass the profanity censors.


Take care, Abs. I have fully answered your question concerning my thoughts on the original topic: Why does the world hate Israel.


[edit on 7/6/2008 by AshleyD]



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 01:37 AM
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There is no animosity between us. It's all in good fun.


No. You are my nemesis.

..dam. thought I could hold a straight face...needless to say, poker is not my game.


No, actually you brought up that specific example. Reread.


I think there is a continuous mis-understanding/ out-of-context interpretation by both of us.

My intention of bringing that example up was to show how you didnot in fact reply to my real arguments. I forget what the trivial part you mostly argued over, but I remember it being of an unimportance. but it seemed you and your co-conspirator dwelled on it instead o adressing what my real questions were.


You already stated you did not hate them and I calmed your concerns by stating never once did I get the impression from you that you were antisemitic.


so you did.


So we are obviously not talking about you then are we?


after going back and re-reading your words I see what you are saying. Going back to that same post:



Most people who hate the Jews are most likely going to think the Bible is a compilation of fairy tales. So, there's no logical reason for holding something against them (I believe the incident with the Canaanites was your example) when you never believed it even happened. Then looking through documented and confirmed extrabiblical history, there really isn't much there an unbiased person would say merits the persecution and slaughter the Jews received.


Hating the jews as a whole receives no congruence from me. I understand what you are saying.


Utterly false. Go back and reread our past debate I linked you to.


The thing is I am willing to admit and point out some of historys biggest swindlers seem to be of the Jewish faith. And those same people head the Israeli government and are its forfathers of the current nation we know as Israel.

These facts, that I just stated, are the "dots" that I pointed out earlier that you seem to dismiss or flat out ignore. They are also some of the same points you never responded to in that particular thread. There was just no response about them at all if I remember correctly.


(oddly enough after you had thanked me previously for taking so much time to respond to you)


Not odd at all. I still thank you for taking the time to explain your view. When someone is sincere and extends themselves I believe this is the common form of gratitude. But I think you may have exasperated yourself by losing touch with the original intent of our discussion and going off tangent. It kinda fell off the chart after a few responses by you.


Look around ATS and you will see that I have actually answered the very things you had asked

It was/ is not my job to find the clarifying answers to your views on ats. If you have previously discussed our topic and did not wish to discuss it with me, then I think you should have linked your answers.


I will simply drop my beliefs into threads and leave it up to the other person to weigh the evidence and arguments before reaching their own conclusion


OK. But you also engage the person when someone offers alternatives to your beliefs. All I was saying is that when a question has been posed to you, it seems you become 'dodgy' and pick and choose the parts you wish to reply to. Sorry if you feel like you are repeating yourself a million times, maybe you should avoid same-topic discussions if you wish to avoid repeating yourself.



I said you have been putting words into my mouth and saying things that are not true. You just put words into my mouth again by claiming that must mean I think you are 'lying


OK. You did not say I was lying. I apologize. I took that out of context.

Then by all means, when have I said something untrue?
..If you are going to say I have spoken something that is untrue it is only right you say what it is that is untrue.


So it's a little unfair to tell me to empty my bowels or get off the pot, Hm?


I think there has been plenty of time to clarify and bypass the rest if the derailment. I mean why beat around the bush? Just spitit out so we can get to the "meat and potatoes."

Now after aaaaaaaaaaaallll the appetizers, its time for the real main course.


However, the reason I believe it is a spiritual battle is of course what the Bible says about it but also with how the prophecy had been fulfilled. We are told there will be an animosity between the descendants of Isaac and the descendants of Ishmael. This is indeed how it has played out throughout history since Biblical times.


Yes, indeed. Throughout biblical times, until present. Lets keep this in mind, shall we...half way through the meat...



This would then lead us into the debate we ran into last time where you asked me to prove Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael's existence and that they not only existed but that they existed in the way the Bible says they did. I provided you with some links and some information to confirm some of my thoughts on the subject and admitted that I take the rest on faith.


okey dokey. I dont remember the links. I do remember you thinking it is odd as to why the Jewish leadership will not let scientist examine the "tomb" of Abraham.

The fact that Egyptologists do not corroborate much of the biblical account of the "enslaved" Hebrews says much about who Abraham really may have been.

to be continued...



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 01:38 AM
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I have to urge you Ashley, to review what is being said here. If anything I would like to here what apologetics have to say about it...

A quote from the
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This point is not just interesting, it is fundamental to understanding what the Bible is trying to tell us. For it just so happens that a whole dynasty of pharaohs were known as shepherds! These were the pharaohs who, in the historical record, had 'invaded' northern Egypt during the 14th to 16th dynasties and these peoples were known as the Hyksos, a term which translates as 'Shepherd King'. Clearly we have a very obvious and very strong link here - in fact it is amazing that so little has been said about this coincidence. There is a great deal of synergy here, the Bible mentions a very special family line of Shepherds of which it says the "kings will come out of you" and likewise the historical record tells us that some of the pharaohs of northern Egypt were called Shepherd Kings. It was a similarity that was just crying out to be investigated and the results of this scrutiny were quite astounding.





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posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 02:15 AM
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I regret I don't have time to get in this debate ( I do have several of my own going on) but its a good one. However, I feel the need to comment on what I have observed occurring.

In reading through this thread Ashley has repeatedly answered your questions with very good answers. Not only do you not acknowledge those answers, you just ask more questions. You focus on the petty stuff and ignore the HUGE things like the Bible predicted it would happen (which is a falsifiable prediction meeting scientific requirements) --- and then it has occurred as predicted. I mean wow... she has written a lot you big points you just have ignored.

As a reader, I see you keep asking questions, get your answers, then don't acknowledge it. Almost as a defense it seems like... you just ask more questions that keep taking everything further off topic.

Don't mean to be rude But I call it like iI see it. Perhaps address some of her answers before asking more questions... it would be polite.

Sorry for the interruption carry on debaters...


[edit on 7/6/2008 by Bigwhammy]



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 02:30 AM
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Hey. I am absolutely exhausted and have got to get some sleep but I briefly looked at that article and it looks like it might be related to the subject being discussed in THIS thread (or at least will possibly answer some of your questions where we left off from the other thread last time). I joined in on page two and left some of my opinions as well as the research of a friend who has studied the subject in depth. He has a degree in Ancient Near East Studies and theology so he has insight and knowledge into the subject that is pretty impressive.

I think if we begin to go into the Exodus, pharaohs, and Hebrew patriarchs on this thread we will end up exactly like we did last time. I feel like I sufficiently defended my position concerning the topic on this thread and answered many questions directed to me but those answers are getting ignored and a new subject matter is taking its place. This is exactly what happened last time and why I became so exhausted. As soon as I answered one thing, I would get asked several more questions on an entirely different subject and we kept going on for several pages.

Well, I need some sleep and will answer more thoroughly tomorrow but I hope my posts on the thread linked to above will help you.
Nighty night.


[edit on 7/6/2008 by AshleyD]



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 03:30 AM
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All I know is that there are a bunch of people fighting over a little piece of land which they think is "God's Land."

Call me crazy, but to me "God's Land" = Planet Earth. But if they want to fight over a little strip of it...you know, OK...whatever.



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 04:32 AM
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OK big wammy, coming from your 'unbiased observations' please enlighten me as to what questions have been answered that I have ignored?

there are little quote buttons that can be utilized to quote texts of a question that have been posed by me and the answers provided by Ashley.

The petty stuff is exactly what I am trying to displace. As noted when I said:


Now after aaaaaaaaaaaallll the appetizers, its time for the real main course.


I really dont care about all the nitpicky stuff that seems to take place constantly. I will take half the blame even though you dont acknowledge the same thing is being done on the other side of the fence..whatever...

I will lay out the question out for any Christian that is willing to attempt to answer. If the answer seems to have some sort of real substance I will look into them. Much like what Ashley has laid out with these texts:
Sinai Inscriptions?
The Ipuwer Papyrus?
The Heiress Lamentation?

I will look into these, but it would certainly help if someone gave a brief overview as to what it is they entale.

I know nothing about these and am interested to see if they debunk what was layed out in the link I provided.

to the real question that I have in regards to the Abrahamic religions:

Are there any arguments (archaeological, non biblical) that give credence with evidence to support the biblical account of who Abraham was?

I understand Ashley has given her statement as: she takes it on faith.

I believe there to be nothing wrong with that, but for me to believe a story that took place over three thousand years ago on faith is a lot for someone like me. I want to hear both sides of the table. And I would love nothing more than to stop beating around the bush.

As to why this is relevant into why people 'hate' Israel is simple. If there is no evidence to support who Abraham is said to be in the Bible and there is evidence to support that he was some kind of Hyksos Pharoah (which,by my account, there seems to be) then I believe this is evidence to some sort of coverup throughout the ages by royal families and possible corruption within the church itself to help pave the way for a ruling nationality such as the Jews.

If it can be debunked then much of what I see as problems in the world today will have different originations and different roots.

And as I have stated many a time in this thread. Even if this grand coverup/ conspiracy were true, then it would still be no excuse for a hatred of a people as a whole, but it might shed light as to who some of the real bad guys are.

And even if it is true, it is worth noting that these conspirators (if that is what they are) are certainly not the root of all evil and should not be blamed for all of the worlds problems. But, if they were rooted out who knows? Maybe we would see some real change?

So, can anyone give any example of such an argument besides the references already given?



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 09:15 AM
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reply to Israel is hated because they are Gods choosen people. The fighting goes back thousands of years. Israel is not taking anything from Palestine. Israel is taking back what was taken from them 500 years in war with Palestine. Do the research you will find the truth. url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread368717/pg1#pid4576491]post by heliumboy[/url]
 



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 09:24 AM
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I don't think it's a mystery at all. We're talking about a Jewish state right smack in the geographic center of the Muslim world. And Muslims, frankly, are not known for their tolerance of other religions. So naturally they're going to hate Israel. And Muslims, comprising 1/5 of the earths population, naturally have a lot of allies and business partners all over the world. So, the world hates Israel. And Israel, having a constant need to vigilantly defend itself, has become what can only be described as "aggressively paranoid" which of course only exacerbates the problem.




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