Originally posted by Hal9000
Obama's biggest lies. With a question mark. Does that mean you are asking for more, with a question mark, or does that mean you will post anything
without proof by adding a question mark?
To clarify, I'm asking for more of Obama's lies because I wrote the original thread quickly and the lies I listed were off the top of my head and I
wasn't sure if I missed any.
I didn't think these needed to be documented with sources. The FISA bill is still pretty recent (the promise to filibuster any bill that gives
telecoms retroactive immunity vs voting FOR a bill that gives telecoms retroactive immunity). The whole bringing troops home immediately vs.
redeploying the troops to Afghanistan is fresh.
Let's see.... Oh... the whole thing about not knowing the things Rev. Wright said is probably in the top 5 of Obama's lies. At least it's the one
most Obama supporters actually admit that he lied about.
I have a couple of questions of my own.
Is it wrong to change your position after learning new information?
No, that's what McCain seems to have done regarding offshore drilling. What Obama has done is shift to the right on every single issue based on no
What he said about FISA is crystal clear. If he didn't intend to follow through with his vow to NOT vote for any bill that offered retroactive
immunity he shouldn't have said what he did. There's no new information at play here.
Same with Iraq. There is no new information here. And he didn't make his unequivocal claims about immediately bringing the troops home based on
certain facts that have suddenly changed.
Is it wrong to change your position based on polls because maybe you were wrong and that your new position is what the majority of the people
Yes, of course this is wrong. If a candidate pledges he's going to do something to get you to vote for him, he's not saying, "Hey... I'll bring
the troops home as long as more people than not want me to." Or, "If elected, I'll protect your civil liberties unless doing so becomes
Of course it's wrong for Obama to tell voters he's going to do one thing to get their votes and then put his finger to the wind later on to see what
to say next to get elected.
Name one candidate that hasn't changed their position to try to gain support.
OK that last one is not a question, so I left off the question mark.
George W. Bush
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Kay Bailey Hutchinson
Those are just some of the people I can think of off the top of my head.
See, this whole notion that all politician's "flip flop" for political expediency is false. It's far and away the exception. Most politicians
are successful because they are who they say they are.
A notable exception was John Kerry in 2004. It's no wonder Kerry is on Obama's team. In 2004 Howard Dean took the party by storm and was going to
get the nomination because he catered to the far left of the Democratic party. So Kerry had to out-liberal Dean to win the primaries. Then when it
came time to campaign in the general election, Kerry found himself on both sides of every issue.
Obama's doing the same thing this election. He took positions to the left of Hillary Clinton so he could win the primaries, and now he's moving to
the right of Hillary Clinton now that the primaries are over.
What's really most disgusting about this is the underlying premise that allows Obama to even attempt to pull this off -he must believe the general
population is so stupid that they won't notice or won't care. Kerry tried the same thing and was proven wrong.
My prediction is that the backlash from former Obama supporters will be even greater for two reasons. First, McCain is liberal on many issues and
he'll be easy to vote for, and second, Obama campaigned on the premise that he was a different type of politician.
It's going to be like finding out your first true love cheated on you when Obama supporters one-by-one start realizing how he's sold them out on so
many core issues.
[edit on 4-7-2008 by jamie83]