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Originally posted by LateApexer313
Are there REALLY people on ATS that think that Obama OR McCain really mean what they say????
Originally posted by Hal9000
Obama's biggest lies. With a question mark. Does that mean you are asking for more, with a question mark, or does that mean you will post anything without proof by adding a question mark?
I have a couple of questions of my own.
Is it wrong to change your position after learning new information?
Is it wrong to change your position based on polls because maybe you were wrong and that your new position is what the majority of the people want?
Name one candidate that hasn't changed their position to try to gain support.
OK that last one is not a question, so I left off the question mark.
They'll never side with somebody who comes across as trying to con them
Originally posted by XyZeR
Yay Another (daily) Fabricated character assassination thread by Jamie83,
Read that and look at you thread/post history....it seems you're trying to CON us all, with thread after thread after thread filled with lies, half truths, distorted facts and wild accusations.
Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
OMG a politican who told a few lies to get to where he is.
Thats like saying "new flash, winehouse smokes crack"
If a person can recognize that Obama is lying and excuse it and still vote for him because he's a "politician and that's what politicians do" then that person is the epitome of what's wrong with this country.
Originally posted by jetxnet
Funny XyZer, your thread tracking doesn't look much different. The only difference is yours has alot more bashing McCain mixed with defending Obama:
How is Belgium anyway?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Instead of posting about me, why not address the issues I raised.
Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
what are we supposed to do?
Not vote?
Originally posted by jamie83
To clarify, I'm asking for more of Obama's lies because I wrote the original thread quickly and the lies I listed were off the top of my head and I wasn't sure if I missed any.
I didn't think these needed to be documented with sources. The FISA bill is still pretty recent (the promise to filibuster any bill that gives telecoms retroactive immunity vs voting FOR a bill that gives telecoms retroactive immunity).
The whole bringing troops home immediately vs. redeploying the troops to Afghanistan is fresh.
Let's see.... Oh... the whole thing about not knowing the things Rev. Wright said is probably in the top 5 of Obama's lies. At least it's the one most Obama supporters actually admit that he lied about.
Is it wrong to change your position after learning new information?
No, that's what McCain seems to have done regarding offshore drilling. What Obama has done is shift to the right on every single issue based on no new information.
Is it wrong to change your position based on polls because maybe you were wrong and that your new position is what the majority of the people want?
Yes, of course this is wrong. If a candidate pledges he's going to do something to get you to vote for him, he's not saying, "Hey... I'll bring the troops home as long as more people than not want me to." Or, "If elected, I'll protect your civil liberties unless doing so becomes unpopular."
Name one candidate that hasn't changed their position to try to gain support.
Ed Rendell
John Kennedy
George W. Bush
Obama campaigned on the premise that he was a different type of politician.