People with Blue Eyes were Genetically Mutated 10,000 Years Ago.

reply to post by Chaoticar


I didn't say that the trait was harmful, I made references to it being a weaker/recessive genetic trait that was able to express itself freely due to an enviornment that facilitated it.

Originally posted by WhamBamTYM
I don't believe you can ignore the results of the blue-eye genetic mutation. I (of course) love to behold women of all eye colors, but I do favor blue-eyed women. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

FYI, just to show you that taste varies incredibly man to man, I have a preference for brown eyed, haired, women. I by no means find blue eyed blonde haired women unattractive; I just .. have a natural taste. I'm telling you so you can break the myth of people preferring blue eyes because you happen to prefer them and your friends do as well. It's all about who you're around .. really ..

One thing is consistent;

If you study the map, south of the equator, people who are living in lands that are close to the original lands from whence they came, or rather have been living there for thousands of years, these things remain consistent (when compared to north of the equator):

darker eyes
darker hair
darker skin

likewise, the further north you go from the equator, you will see more and more of:

lighter skin
lighter hair
lighter eyes

no one has accurately explained this, beyond the sunlight bit .. anyone wanna take a shot at it?

where's the neanderthal angle?

the usual theories purport that it was the Neanderthals who were modified into cro magnon, and that this is why there was a genocide of neanderthal by cro magnon, apparently left to become feral once the ancient astronauts left.

I also do not see why we must insist on this idea that races are mutations of an original form.

Darwinism is so full of holes it's silly.

I beleive in evolution, because I can see evolution, I can understand adaptation.

but I do not understand the idea that we all developed from mutations of homogenous societies.

if there is anything I have noticed as a naturalist, it is that no species has anything like homogenaety.

there are no missing links. none have been found, the only thing like an intermediary creature would be archaeopteryx.

anyway, why couldn't it be the other way around?

couldn't blacks be descended from whites?

there's as much evidence for that.

it's inherently white supremacist even if true to assume that white genetics are some kind of later evolution. they could have occured concurrently, in different regions.

and what if there is a link between early hominids?

what if, let's say, australopithecus africanus had lighter fur and blue eyes?

he apparently lived in forested places, and where there isn't light, there isn't melanin, according to thou.

however, what of the pygmies?

or the Jivaro in s.a.?

this theory is bullsh*t.

if all blue eyed people have a common ancestor, the implication is of no validity. we all came from the same ancestor.

these same geneticists say all human beings are 50th cousins.

I have a hard time swallowing this one.

remember, I'm no skeptic, I truly beleive there were ancient astronauts, and that they had something to do with the evolution of man.

because we really are so unlike other animals, we are more like insects, but not as socialized.

interesting thread, to say the least.

Originally posted by runetang
One thing is consistent;

If you study the map, south of the equator, people who are living in lands that are close to the original lands from whence they came, or rather have been living there for thousands of years, these things remain consistent (when compared to north of the equator):

darker eyes
darker hair
darker skin

likewise, the further north you go from the equator, you will see more and more of:

lighter skin
lighter hair
lighter eyes

no one has accurately explained this, beyond the sunlight bit .. anyone wanna take a shot at it?

The Sun or lack there of accounts for all variations in human genetics, the times in which these variations/mutations occured is what needs to be examined. I might make a Model in Paint of how my theory applies.

Originally posted by MegaTherion
couldn't blacks be descended from whites?

I have seen this basic question many times in this thread and I want to explain the scientific position.

Originally, based on fossil evidence it was hypothesized that humans originated out of Africa. The basis used to form this hypothesis was that most fossils of pre-human ancestors were turning up in Africa at a regular rate. This would imply of course that Africa was our place of evolution into humans.

This hypothesis stood pretty much untested for decades.

Along comes the ability to map everyone's genome. After testing around the world for a decade researchers have notice a very interesting pattern. That each trait they tested were confined to distinct geographic areas. The genetic traits were following mass human migrations. Mapping the traits out over time and space provides a path to the of the place of origin of the mutation.


Your ancestors might not be from where you think they were from.

What they found is that the place with the most genetic diversity was Africa; there is a little bit of everyone represented in Africa. This implies that humans have lived in Africa the longest and we have warred in Africa the longest of any continent. Africa is the crossroads of man; scarcely a civilization exists in history that didn't have aspirations for Africa.

Until about 12k years ago North Africa was a lush tropical rain forest and endless savanna teaming with life. It would have been easy for man to begin his ascent in this place. As populations increased we spread out and found a second home in the Middle East. From these two seats of human population would come everyone who ever live.

Then the weather changed and both places became hotter. As the rains stopped the farming worsened. With a human population exceeding what the land could support a period of mass exodus existed. In a few short millennium, we spread almost simultaneously to Asia, Europe, Siberia, North and South America. For the next 10k years, every time a civilization got settled it tried, and sometimes succeeded, in going back to Africa.



Jon

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Timeline of agriculture and food technology
en.wikipedia.org...

What I was eluding to was that from a genetics stand point, I am built to work hard and not to sit in the "hut"

The Neolithic Revolution apparently had occurred in the region where the blue eye gene cropped up as well. There appear to be alot of things happening in that region (Mesopotamia) around 12,000 yrs ago.

Being that this is the general conspiracy forum,I'm still waiting for the conspiracy aspect from the OP.

Thanks for the diagrams Voxel.

If we all study the diagrams and refer to the link I provided you will see the correlations to where changes occurred in civilized man.
When we migrated to various area's this lead to greater diversity . Thats a good
thing.

I have blue eyes which sometimes look green. My vision is really weird, I have 20/15 in my right eye and 20/20 in my left. I also have very blonde hair. I believe i'm more down to earth then my brother who has brown eyes, but i don't think eye color really affects personality.

People have mingled and the colors of eyes and skin can run the gamut. However, there is one missing link that scientist can not figure out. That missing link is the alien gnome, and where it came from. Not everyone has that. Where in the DNA and which allele is anyones guess.

The reason being, you cannot get green eyes without one of the two parents having that gene

Not true. Not true. Not true.

Originally posted by Siren
People have mingled and the colors of eyes and skin can run the gamut. However, there is one missing link that scientist can not figure out. That missing link is the alien gnome, and where it came from. Not everyone has that. Where in the DNA and which allele is anyones guess.

The reason being, you cannot get green eyes without one of the two parents having that gene

Serious question:
How would a geneticist know and alien gene form a human gene - any thoughts from our resident experts?

Originally posted by ChronMan
I didn't say that the trait was harmful, I made references to it being a weaker/recessive genetic trait that was able to express itself freely due to an enviornment that facilitated it.

My sincere apologies if I misconstrued your argument as such - though it "is" true there are some disadvantages to possessing blue eyes:
Blue-eyed persons have greater risk of blindness than brown-eyed persons
there also seems to be some inherent benefits, as mentioned in my post.

Originally posted by ChronMan
The Sun or lack there of accounts for all variations in human genetics, the times in which these variations/mutations occured is what needs to be examined. I might make a Model in Paint of how my theory applies.

Skin colour definately:
Rough model.

Generally, it depends on the strength of the sunlight and - I believe at least - the relative exposure of the select ethnicity to sunlight (I'm not claiming anything here, I'm merely assuming that - if native Central Americans didn't have skin as dark as sub-Saharan Africans, Australian Aborigines etc - the high vegetation of Central America may have played a role).

Eye colour also seems relatively correlative too, however the existance of green/blue-eyed Mediterraneans (Southern Europe/Northern Africa), and Middle Easterners (such as the "green eyed" Pashtun tribe) also seems to throw this theory off a bit, unless we assume that either:
1. These populations contained remnants of the original "blue eyed mutant" genes, or
2. These populations have somehow been affected by genetic flows of "blue eyed mutant" genes (i.e. through conquest, exploration etc).

Nose shape and hair texture seem more correlative to the environment, and I assume hair colour also follows the eye colour pattern of "sun exposure" relatedness.

Either way, I'm looking forward your model explaining these patterns relative to sun exposure.

I bet you posted this after seeing the move "10,000 BC", out on DVD this week. (If you haven't seen this movie, I recommend it highly, even though it was really panned by everyone -- I loved it. Goes double for "The Day After Tomorrow", by the same director, Roland Emmerich.)

In the movie, the heroine, Evolet has striking blue eyes, for which she is instantly revered by her adopted tribe.

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Seriously, Vanitas posted an interesting, but slighly cryptic, comment on page #1 of this thread. Edit: Here is the post by Vanitas I'm talking about.

Do people with brown eyes also have a single common ancestor? Also, what about blue eyed cats, horses, dogs, etc.?

I think it is more likely that this mutation occurred pre-humanity -- way back in the evolutionary past -- about the same time that eyes were first created, perhaps 500 million years ago during the Cambrian period.

It is the only thing that makes sense to me -- other than evolution is completely wrong altogether.

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Originally posted by runetangFYI, just to show you that taste varies incredibly man to man, I have a preference for brown eyed, haired, women. I by no means find blue eyed blonde haired women unattractive; I just .. have a natural taste. I'm telling you so you can break the myth of people preferring blue eyes because you happen to prefer them and your friends do as well. It's all about who you're around .. really ..

Eye color aside, preference for skin color is no myth (neither is it a product of the western media). Virtually all cultures (Sub-Saharan Africa, Middle East, Asia, etc...) consider lighter skin to be attractive and desirable in females. Of course "lighter" is relative depending on the people, but it is an extremely widespread, very very old preference that is independant of western influence.

Originally posted by runetang
likewise, the further north you go from the equator, you will see more and more of:
no one has accurately explained this, beyond the sunlight bit .. anyone wanna take a shot at it?

I believe it is the sunlight. For instance Semetic people are darker skinned, but most are predominantely Caucasian (some mixed blood, especially the Arabs for obvious reasons). I have read that Middle Easterners and Indian Brahams are the modern day decendents of Europeans that migrated to India and the Middle East ages ago.

[edit on 30-6-2008 by Sonya610]

Pure races are usually the weakest in many levels. The perfect human is one that has all human races and evolution mixed into one. That is the super human. Not a pure white guy or black.

We have to mix all races into one.

The caucasion race is usually smaller, white skin that burns in the sun, have trouble adapting to climates, susceptible to many diseases.

All the great ancient civilizations seemed to have been built my non-caucasions. Egyptians, Mayan, Chinese, India, Peruvians, Etc....

Is it possible that the caucasion race was created at the same time as these blue eyes, 10,000 years ago?

Is the caucasion gene the upgraded gene from 10,000 years ago ment to upgrade the other more ancient primitive races on earth?

There seems to be evidence that around the time in question aside from the genetic mutaions is when humans got (another) kick start into building and becoming more civilized.

There is stories that go back to the garden of eden that says that god created the Adamic race in the likeness of himself (genesis) there without ego and bred to do the toils of the gods untill the Serpent (peoples) came to Eve and convinced her that there was more to life than their god, she ate the apple of knowledge and the ego was born. There is also stories in the bible that mentions that the gods (plurial) came to the daughters of man and bore children.



[edit on 30-6-2008 by IvanZana]

Originally posted by IvanZana
The caucasion race is usually smaller, white skin that burns in the sun, have trouble adapting to climates, susceptible to many diseases.

All the great ancient civilizations seemed to have been built my non-caucasions. Egyptians, Mayan, Chinese, India, Peruvians, Etc....

Wow. I am amazed at your comments. First of all, the earliest great civilizations such as Mesopotamia WERE created by Caucasians. Middle Easterners are primarily Caucasian now, and a few thousand years ago there was much less intermingling.

Secondly, the Egyptian Pharaohs were fair skinned with light hair. Royal mummies dating thousands of years before Christ showed many had blond or light red hair.

www.burlingtonnews.net...

While you may see beer ads featuring black pharaohs, perhaps you should get your historical facts from a different source.

Originally posted by Sonya610



Wow. I am amazed at your comments. First of all, the earliest great civilizations such as Mesopotamia WERE created by Caucasians. Middle Easterners are primarily Caucasian now, and a few thousand years ago there was much less intermingling.

Secondly, the Egyptian Pharaohs were fair skinned with light hair. Royal mummies dating thousands of years before Christ showed many had blond or light red hair.

www.burlingtonnews.net...

While you may see beer ads featuring black pharaohs, perhaps you should get your historical facts from a different source.

We might have a diffrent understanding of caucasion. Egyptian werent caucasion but you say the came from them and I have no argument there considering the caucasions came from the caucaus mountains and northern Europe and have a long history. Mabey I ment the more nordic looking whites, Blues eyes , blond hair, more to do with the artricle above.

If you read my questions carefully there was no insult to white people so lighten up
ZANA[qoute]Is it possible that the caucasion race was created at the same time as these blue eyes, 10,000 years ago?

Is the caucasion gene the upgraded gene from 10,000 years ago ment to upgrade the other more ancient primitive races on earth?

There seems to be evidence that around the time in question aside from the genetic mutaions is when humans got (another) kick start into building and becoming more civilized.

[edit on 30-6-2008 by IvanZana]

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by IvanZana
The caucasion race is usually smaller, white skin that burns in the sun, have trouble adapting to climates, susceptible to many diseases.

All the great ancient civilizations seemed to have been built my non-caucasions. Egyptians, Mayan, Chinese, India, Peruvians, Etc....

Wow. I am amazed at your comments. First of all, the earliest great civilizations such as Mesopotamia WERE created by Caucasians. Middle Easterners are primarily Caucasian now, and a few thousand years ago there was much less intermingling..

Again, this comment disturbs me and it couldnt be more ignorant.

The caucasian race is not the greatest race and is just a race among other great races. The caucasions did not build the pyramids, Aztecs were not caucasion, mayans were not caucasion, Chinese arent caucasion, Brazilians arent caucasion...

"The Caucasus, also referred to as Caucasia, is a geopolitical, mountain-barrier region located between the two continents of Europe and Asia, or Eurasia, with various altitude highlands and lowlands."
This is the sapposed origin of the whites.

Here is some info on Cauc-Asians. en.wikipedia.org...

But like I said, I believe the Ultimate Human race is one that has every race mixed into one.

I also believe that race has everything to do with geographical adaptation and evolution. Please correct me if I am wrong. This is what i believe.



[edit on 30-6-2008 by IvanZana]

I have a theory.

The Article states that blue eyes have a common ancenstor from 10,000 bc give or take.
Now what percentage of blue eyed people are non caucasian?

Is it possible that around 10,500 b.c earth suffered somthing great that forced the nordics, caucasions into caves or mabey the earth was dark and cloudy, or snowy and grey for hundreds or thousands of years and during this time and location that white skin, blue eyes and light hair were introduced through genetic adaptation, to allow more sunlight into the flesh and eyes to absorb more vitamins and solar energy which the body needs?

[edit on 30-6-2008 by IvanZana]

[edit on 30-6-2008 by IvanZana]

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They know the earliest migrations of modern humans to Europe happened at least 50,000 years ago (fossils as old as 1.5 million years have been found in Asia but those may have died off). Blue eyes have nothing to do with defining the start of the Caucasian race.

The Caucasian race (one of three races) started in Europe and then spread to the middle east. The Egyptian Pharaoh’s were always very light skinned Caucasians, they did not mix with the darker skinned Caucasian population.

The term “white” is often used to specify light skinned, light haired Caucasians. But race is defined by mitochondrial dna.