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Originally posted by Esoterica
reply to post by seagrass
Thinking about it (but not magically thinking) I can see the point you are trying to make. I just think that expanding the term "magical thinking" to cover just about anything that is non-scientific destroys the usefulness of the term. I think terms like "intuition" would be better suited to what you're talking about. I hate it when the definition of a word is made so general and vague that there's no longer a point to the word existing, since you always have the specifify that you mean.
I would like to hear how you think a term like magical thinking is useful? That is the whole point of this thread. How it is destroyed by being vague, I cannot say. For me, simple is good, and I like words that are vague, like love and peace and clean, and I don't see a reason for those words not to exist. Intuition would fall under both science and the occult in my mind. Also a word I like.
Could you give us an example where using strange cause-effect explains something?
As for your question, I don't consider it a "downfall." There are certain instances where using a strange cause-effect relationship does explain something.
I agree, but I do like watching movies and reading books that do.
But using it to explain everything is plain ignorance. The general explanation is "just because we don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't real." This is true, there are things that we just plain can't understand. That doesn't mean it should be the default explanation, that all new things are irrational and unexplainable. I liek to beleive humans can understand jsut about everything in the universe if we try hard enough. Sayign "a wizard did it" doesn't give us enough credit.
because it's fun.
This is where I will leave it up to others to discuss, as I am not a scientist, not very adept in terms of the other ways of looking at healing. I would like to hear other members thoughts on alternative health, the powers of positive thinking, and such.
The ridicule of science is the worst, the reaosn you are alive today and not dead of some childhood illness, starvation or similiar is because of people who looked at things critically and logically and saw the true connections between things. You don't get sick because your father was a sinner, you get sick because you encounter bacteria that can be treated with specific medicines. There are too many people here with no scientific background that (unsuprisingly) don't understand a fraction of the scientific discussion that goes on here. I'm one of those people. However, I accept my ignorance and try to change it. Too many others call on angles and demosn to explain things because they don't udnerstand them
Magical thinking, at it's core, consists of two principles:
2. Objects that were once in contact maintain a connection when seperated. This is why you treasure a Christmas card from your family more than one from your boss, even though they are both just pieces of paper.
Originally posted by seagrass
We decribe our ancient myths as just that "myths", because we cannot explain why they would think that half-man half-beasts could have possibly roamed our Earth at one time. Was that magical thinking by adults? or was it that they didn't know the cause of what they were seeing?
Science does the same thing when they find something statisically significant with very little testing, because "magically" they want it to be so. Many of our sciences create stories (theories) to describe their research.
[edit on 28-6-2008 by seagrass]
I'm sorry, I thought TravelerintheDark had been the last poster.
Originally posted by prevenge
reply to post by seagrass
i think your conclusions show a lack of vision.
anything is possible.
we just have to imagine it.
i think humans have a mass sickness..
and it's called skepticism.
it's our downfall ... and it's what's going to lead to our demise.