Worst child abuse in history - dont read if easily upset

Death penalty especially for these kind of practices, absolute.

What kind of world do we live in that breeds these kinds of sexual preferences?

Being angry at this man ? yes of course.
Whats more angering is what sort of internet providers do we really hold in this world? whose interest do they really serve?
For in a world where its said the child to be of absolute innocent, the babies the purest in its kind, so protection of the little ones being always the political agenda of every state or system, they say. However how is it then possible for such images to float in cyberspace? if the internet is being watched controlled sensored by our govs watchdogs then how is it possible for such images to be put on the web, and for lord knows how many paedo'philes to look and download these images? just as it is with photomaterial often the question must be asked who prints them? and why are such images not reported if this be the law??
The rape of the little ones has increased in the last 8 years, just as rape in general. one wonders what purpose does rape serve and if it serves a purpose then who benefits of this purpose? cause if there is a reason for everything then what would be the reason for rape??
And why has the rape of little ones increased in the last little 8th years? why has the world turned paedo'phile minded in so many ways since we entered the new millenium? How is it possible for a country such as the netherlands to announce the birthing of a new paedo'phile political party in the year 2006 ? openly bang in every parents face, they allowed a official third paedo'phile party in their country with political power, who are lobying for the lowering of the age where children can have legally sex with adults. they want the age to go down from 12 to 8 years, and from 8 to 6 to no restriction of age when it comes to sex between and adult and child?
Could it be for this reason that the netherlands is being turned into the first total control state where the dutch peoples have no freedom of speech nor action any longer?
Why does one need total control, if not to be able to do that what one can not do under the still current false freedom believe of the masses.
What can one not do in our reality, what makes all angry and ready to go for a kill? baby/toddle rape.
What is the only really big no, no?
What is the real taboo which must remain hidden??
Who needs total control, if not those who need our children, for many reasons, of which one is sex.

There is a Reason for Rape.

Originally posted by BlackOps719


I just had a long thread about this very subject.

Hopefully you will see my stance on this topic rather easily, and in my mind anyone who stands in defense of someone so sick and dispicable as this man is beyond my contempt.


Link to thread

I take it you know of the very strong link bewteen adult behaviour such as this and those individuals being abused themselves when children? This means we already have a very good idea who the next generation of sexual predators will be. So let's kill all the abused children to protect the next generation.......it's the logical step forward.

The only thing about these stories is everyone focuses on the collector.

But there is a whole community CREATING this pictures. I doubt this guy made them all.

To me, this is like arresting the person who bought a little marijuana, but they don't bother looking for the kingpin distributing it through the whole city.

I am not saying this guy is absolved of responsibility. But what are they doing to find the people distributing this stuff? Cuz I only hear about the people who have it.

Originally posted by blueorder
like it or not, the threat of death is a deterrent in many instances where killings are not done in "the heat of the moment" ala passion

The threat of death is also not a deterrent in the cases that involve a psychological compulsion, a la serial killers.

If this is a compulsion, then not only would he still do it, but the state would have to pay the extra cost of execution over even life imprisonment.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
The threat of death is also not a deterrent in the cases that involve a psychological compulsion, a la serial killers.

some serial killers would be deterred, they are not all cunning, cat like prowlers you see in the films, many are disorganised cowardly filth

If this is a compulsion, then not only would he still do it, but the state would have to pay the extra cost of execution over even life imprisonment.

execution can be much cheaper than life imprisonment

Originally posted by blueorder
some serial killers would be deterred, they are not all cunning, cat like prowlers you see in the films, many are disorganised cowardly filth

yes, but as a compulsion, they still act out. Sometimes they'll work closely with death or kill small animals. Still not enough of a deterrent.

execution can be much cheaper than life imprisonment

Only if there are no appeals. But do you really want to have a death sentence with no appeals? Even then, the costs are about the same.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
yes, but as a compulsion, they still act out. Sometimes they'll work closely with death or kill small animals. Still not enough of a deterrent.

I disagree, the compulsion is not an excuse- I referred to "heat of the moment" crimes of passion, which clearly serial killing isnt

Instant death for them would be my preferred legal route

Only if there are no appeals. But do you really want to have a death sentence with no appeals? Even then, the costs are about the same.

For starters, check this info (from an anti death penalty site)

"Report to Washington State Bar Association regarding costs

At the trial level, death penalty cases are estimated to generate roughly $470,000 in additional costs to the prosecution and defense over the cost of trying the same case as an aggravated murder without the death penalty and costs of $47,000 to $70,000 for court personnel.

On direct appeal, the cost of appellate defense averages $100,000 more in death penalty cases, than in non-death penalty murder cases.

Personal restraint petitions filed in death penalty cases on average cost an additional$137,000 in public defense costs. "

so worst case scenario about $600k extra- whereas keeping a prisoner in jail costs around $30,000 year which will increase with age, rising to approx $60,000 per year for over 55s- so the extra cost of keeping a 20 year old alive (after, say 5 years of appeals, which, if the legal system was working correctly should be quite lengthy) and he lives to age 70 would be approx $1.8 million.

Never mind the fact that the cost of appeal goes into lawyer's pockets



[edit on 4-7-2008 by blueorder]

reply to post by blueorder


Never said it was an excuse. I said that serious compulsions don't enter into the rational mind of someone who would weigh the consequences of their actions against the punishment for them. The punishment is still there, but it won't work as a deterrent.

www.deathpenaltyinfo.org...

Study Finds Death penalty Costly, Ineffective
A new report released by the Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury recommended changes to the state's costly death penalty and called into question its effectiveness in preventing crime. The Office of Research noted that it lacked sufficient data to accurately account for the total cost of capital trials, stating that because cost and time records were not maintained, the Office of Research was unable to determine the total, comprehensive cost of the death penalty in Tennessee." Although noting that, "no reliable data exists concerning the cost of prosecution or defense of first-degree murder cases in Tennessee," the report concluded that capital murder trials are longer and more expensive at every step compared to other murder trials. In fact, the available data indicated that in capital trials, taxpayers pay half again as much as murder cases in which prosecutors seek prison terms rather than the death penalty. Findings in the report include the following:

* Death penalty trials cost an average of 48% more than the average cost of trials in which prosecutors seek life imprisonment.
* Tennessee District Attorneys General are not consistent in their pursuit of the death penalty.
* Surveys and interviews of district attorneys indicate that some prosecutors "use the death penalty as a 'bargaining chip' to secure plea bargains for lesser sentences."
* Previous research provides no clear indication whether the death penalty acts as a method of crime prevention.
* The Tennessee Court of Criminal Appeals reversed 29 percent of capital cases on direct appeal.
* Although any traumatic trial may cause stress and pain for jurors, the victims' family, and the defendant's family, the pressure may be at its peak during death penalty trials. (July 2004)

Ive looked at the extra costs in the trials and appeals in death penalty cases, as opposed to the cost of keeping them in prison for life, and the death penalty is much more cost effective

"Never said it was an excuse. I said that serious compulsions don't enter into the rational mind of someone who would weigh the consequences of their actions against the punishment for them. The punishment is still there, but it won't work as a deterrent."

anyone who murders is never rational, and if someone has compulsion to kill, then they need executed

reply to post by BlackOps719


Who says you're "forced to live in it"? Honestly, just go kill yourself if you don't want to live in our world. Nobody's forcing you to be here! (Although I'm sure there are threads on this site where that point is being debated at this very moment.)

On the other hand, I completely agree with the fact that child porn is a disgusting thing that we ought to be getting rid of. Instead of sitting here and complaining about it, maybe we could do something to help? Write letters to local and national leaders. Report any sites you may come across. Take the time to have those uncomfortable conversations with your children. Hell, we need to start talking to our children and spending time with them in the first place! Most importantly, don't download any of that junk yourself!

By the way, I don't condone suicide. I was just making a point.

I chose not to log in for this post simply because I am related to a man who was caught with child porn on his computer while he was in the military. The issue is really a lot more complicated than "child porn collecters deserve to die" sort of thing. This relative of mine never personally harmed anybody, but that doesn't mean it was okay for him to download porn of children who would have been physically, sexually, and/or psychologically harmed. It's easy to say you think sex offenders ought to be killed until you have one in your own family.

reply to post by nixie_nox


How dare you compare child porn with smoking marijuana!

Regardless of whether you are for or against mariguana, you ought to know that such a comparison is ridiculous. Do you know anything about drugs? These two issues are nearly entirely unrelated, other than the factor of legality. Even a prison system (at least in the U.S.) knows the difference between these two types of crimes and will keep those incarcerated for them the hell away from one another.

Putting someone in jail for smoking, or even selling marijuana is a waste of taxpayers money and the time that police officers could be using to capture real criminals, like the sex offender this thread is about.

The link for original story not working.

(I found the story)

Oklahoma is just waiting to get their hands on a scumbag like this-----

www.foxnews.com...

OKLAHOMA CITY — Oklahoma on Friday became the fifth state to allow the death penalty for certain sex crimes, although legal scholars questioned the constitutionality of the new state law.

Under the measure signed by Gov. Brad Henry, anyone convicted twice for rape, sodomy or lewd molestation involving children under 14 can face the death penalty.
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Although Oklahoma will probably have a Supreme Court fight on its hands, people here are ready, when the next scumbag comes along. I don't recall a really heinous child crime since this was enacted here in Okla, so maybe the law is helping.

[edit on 8-7-2008 by Bombeni]

I really think executing Saddam was a mistake. He should have been made "International Director of Gang Control and Pedophile Control" --- some old-fashioned justice needs to be resurrected imo.

Originally posted by malcr
I take it you know of the very strong link bewteen adult behaviour such as this and those individuals being abused themselves when children? This means we already have a very good idea who the next generation of sexual predators will be. So let's kill all the abused children to protect the next generation.......it's the logical step forward.

ahh yes, I also hear white people who have been mugged by black people are justified in being racist towards blacks...........


Sorry this does not explain someone who rapes a baby which is attached by chord, nothing ever explains it.

Most kids who are abused do not go on to abuse- those that do, it may have been a trigger, but the desire would need to be inbuilt to carry it out

Less excuses

[edit on 8-7-2008 by blueorder]

aaaaaaaaw, i've read this article..a little late...but i think those people got no right to live...how can a grown up person abuse a child...i'll never understand that...and if somebody would do that to my child i think im gonna kill'em...it makes me so sad and i could cry by reading this...

In all likelyhood, the perpetrators of such crimes were victims of similar crimes themselves.

Yes, that does not excuse their actions, we have such things as free will, but they were all children once. Would you kill a child that has suffered from sexual abuse?

I'm not attempting to make excuses, nor offer sympathy, but problems like this one will not go away unless we can learn to rise beyond anger, to empathy. To cure a problem you must understand it, not punish it. Children that have suffered abuse, with their personal power taken away, with their feelings of safety taken away, with their sexuality abused, end up surviving the only way their twisted and damaged brains can allow them to. In many cases, this sort of crime is the result. The only way to stop this endless cycle of abuse is by detecting crimes, and taking very good care of the victims psychologically for as long as is necessary.

I don't believe that children are born evil. Do you? An adult is only a child that has grown up, I think that's something some posters here need to remember.

To forgive is divine, and should not be limited by the scale or nature of the offense.

I like the idea of not putting this guy to death or imprisoning him for life...just give him to the families of the children he molested and let them decide his fate. If they are compassionate people, they won't make him suffer much but if they are not compassionate people, he's going to wish he had never laid eyes on a child!!!

reply to post by Inannamute


Hi, I have read where alot of the instigation with child molesters comes from pornography. The problem is rampant, I don't know how in the world you can generalize the hundreds of thousands of male pedophiles as having been molested. Girls are the main target of child molesting and incest, yet they don't grow up to molest children. Men who rape their own daughters? They weren't usually molested as children. No, it's a sign of the times, the explosion of unspeakable pornography readily available online. Besides, two wrongs never make a right. If someone stole from you, does that make it "understandable" that you would become a thief yourself? I say only one chance for child rapists, one time convicted and you are done, never another chance to do it again. Here in Oklahoma a law was passed that allows the death penalty for child rapists. It has not been used yet, but when there is an extreme case in the future I expect it to be demanded by the general public. We've had it up to our necks with these monsters.