It certainly isn't about a religion. It is about a religion being the law of the land, not separate from government or criminal law, or family law, which should have high standards and equality for women. Sharia law is amongst the worst, most abusive, discriminatory and primitive legal system on the planet. All people, even children, have the right to chose for themselves what they think, what faith or lack of faith they wish to have, and they are sovereign beings. All people should be respected for their individual rights. Women the world over are very concerned with the plight of those who need to be freed from massive abuse. Its one of those things we considered more important than the price of oil.

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Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by Bombeni
Stealing of course. 10 or 12 times a day using the "no-sale" key can break a business.

When I said brother and sister I meant they are both muslim. And if they are true, devout muslims I would trust their honestly above most everyone elses. Like the poster above said, they truly abhor stealing, and if anyting being around OTHER devout religious friends would be an added encouragement to stay honest.

Are you Indian? I get the feeling you are, well strict Muslim countries are a WHOLE lot different than India. Even tourists are rarely ripped off when visiting true Islamic countries in the middle east.

Yeah Bombeni I know exactly what you are talking about, I know a lot about the digital surveillance industry and know that theft prevention and lowering food costs is a major selling point for quick serve restaurants. Subway or Dunkin owner? : )


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It's my observation that some of the young muslims here in the states don't practice Islam, are becoming more like average Americans especially if they've been here awhile. Either way I have had problems when all family worked together, not all the time but it happens.

I think what the op was referring to is the image of the terrorist muslim. And a lot of people still have fear from 911, and yes a lot of people lump all mid easterners together which is a matter of not being educated. I know not all are terrorists or support terrorism. Actually I think this thread did me some good, opened my eyes to some truths and untruths and sorta got my thinking straight about the whole muslim thing. If the op had asked "do you hate terrorism?" I would answer a resounding YES, but not all mid easterners are terrorists just like not all Americans wanted Bush to go to war, like me.

I am American and I am not afraid of Middle Eastern people or Muslims.

I have had one very bad experience with a Middle Easterner and a Russian and one of these days I intend on using that situation as a scene in a novel. Let's just say I told my friends that "this was a writing adventure." You know, when you're in your twenties you really think you're invincible

I do not think all Middle Eastern people are terrorists nor do I think that they are all evil or what not. I do believe that some of them are misled by their leaders and I don't agree with what I have read for myself in the Koran, I still respect their rights to believe whatever they want.

I am curious about several of the customs and I don't understand them, but I am willing to learn about them. I just don't have the opportunity

Right now, the two Iranians I have met are both in the restaurant business - one of them having the most wonderful restaurant that serves the absolute BEST prime rib that you've ever tasted in your life regardless of where you are from and the other working in a Middle Eastern gyro and grocery store. They are both great people and I would love the opportunity to get to know them better.

If there are any Middle Eastern people who would like to pen pal with me, I would love to hear from you via u2u

--Karij

Regardless of my value judgement, it is safe to say that the West is on a mission to stamp out radical revolutionary Islam.

We tend to frown on violence that doesn't make money for people in republics with at least lipservice to a modicum of separation of church and state.

We are attemptimg to eradicate a culture. Funny.. no one seems to miss the Third Reich which was quite the cultural institution in its day.
Radical Teutonism, maybe? Pretty much extinguished. Peripheral now at best. Not too many people crying over that loss of cultural diversity.

Originally posted by djerwulfe
Funny.. no one seems to miss the Third Reich which was quite the cultural institution in its day.
Radical Teutonism, maybe? Pretty much extinguished. Peripheral now at best. Not too many people crying over that loss of cultural diversity.

In no way was the Third Reich cultural in any aspect. German society was highly cultured, mostly due to Jewish artists, and the Nazis all but destroyed it. Nazism itself had no cultural redeeming qualities.

Radical Islam is not true Islam. The ones who posts those seemingly militant quotes from the Quran are taking them out of context.

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The third reich was a cultural schizm. It arouse very quick and dissapeared just as quickly. I think it was an elite funded social control experiment, in much the same way the neocon project for a new american century is also, again in my opinion. Not that the latter are nazis ofc, they're more jewish-christian than anything else and everyone knows their real god is the allmighty dollar, I'm just pointing out the mechanisms of their appearance. Elites don't really care about religions, only control and permanent conflict based economies.

Radical Islam won't be missed by anyone if it is successfully stamped out, least of all by the majority of the Islamic people. Radical islam is pratically an elite creation, and I throw it in the same bag as other wonderfull organisations such as the CIA and the Jesuits. Shadow crawlers, the whole lot of them, feeding on the gullability and ignorance of young males, and occasionally females. But radical islam is not, imo, a defining factor of the muslim people.

And we in the west are the real modern troublemakers, if we do manage to get rid of radical islam over the next 100 years, as Mccain insinuates, you can bet they will find another orgranisation to blow up over proportion, and we will probably end up fighting Shaolin monks or radical eskimo seal bombers.

The real problem here is not the minute impact of radical organisations, it's the massive impact of our war machines and our conflict based culture.

Ordo ab Chaos.

Just a minor clarification about my posts, I sometimes say "we" not because I am american, but because I am portuguese and Portugal was one of the few countries that has continually supported the US to this day, albeit in a token manner, much to the dissapointment of most of our people, so I do have a small stake in all this.

Originally posted by mystiq
Yes!!!Some hot looking guys there. Also, theres the lead singer of Monoral, half Morrocan, half Japanese

Cool, never seen them before. He's got a good voice for that music.

I know somebody who is half Korean half moroccan, and some half french half moroccans. Myself I'm half moroccan half welsh living in london.



Edit: starting to like their music even more, becoming a fan

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