WTC-7 North Side MASSIVE Fires .... CBS News, page 2
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reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 04:06 AM by thedman

What happen to the Sprinkler System in the WTC7 to put out the
fires on those floors.

Also, the fire department had plenty of time to put out the fires. Were
talking about a building that housed alot of government agencies.





And 7 World Trade was burning up at the time. We could see it. ... the fire at 7 World Trade was working its way from the front of the building northbound to the back of the building. There was no way there could be water put on it, because there was no water in the area. –Firefighter Eugene Kelty Jr.




The 7 World Trade Center was roaring. All we could think is we were an Engine Company, we have got to get them some water. We need some water you know. With that, we positioned the rig, I don't know, 3 quarters of a block away maybe. A fire boat was going to relay water to us. I don't know if I have things in the right order, whatever, if we were getting water out of a hydrant first. Jesus Christ --
Q. Captain said you were getting water. You were draining a vacuum?
A. It was draining away from us. Right. We had to be augmented. I think that's when the fire boat came. I think the fire boats supplied us. Of course you don't see that. You just see the (inaudible) way and you know, we are hooking up and we wound up supplying the Tower Ladder there. I just remember feeling like helpless, like everybody there was doomed and there is -- I just felt like there was absolutely nothing we could do. I want to just go back a little bit.–Firefighter Kevin Howe



The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 had cut the water mains in the area, there
was not water to feed the sprinkler system or standpipes inside the
building. FDNY had to run hose out to fireboats in the Hudson river
to provide water to the scene. Doing so takes a lot of time and manpower
Combine this with tremendous casualties and damage to fire apparatus
from collapse of WTC 1/2 and can understand why FDNY chiefs had
to abandon WTC 7 - heavy structural damage, no water, tremendous
loss of life and equipment.



reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 07:32 AM by Pilgrum
Originally posted by ThichHeaded
And dont give me the diesel argument we been thru that a million times.. FEMA STATED IT GOT ALL THE FUEL OUT.


I've seen that claim many times and it's a bit of disinfo based on an incomplete quote.

FEMA stated that the fuel from the Silverstein tanks was all recovered but that amounts to approximately half the fuel stored on site. The fuel from the Salomon Bros tanks was not recovered or even found along with all the 'day tanks' on the generator floors.

From the testimony of Dr S Shyam Sunder of NIST:

NIST reviewed the report of an environmental contractor hired in the months after the collapse of WTC 7 to recover remaining fuel and mitigate any environmental damage from the second system’s two 6,000 gal tanks. The tanks were damaged and appeared to be empty and the report stated that neither the underground storage tanks nor their associated piping contained any residual petroleum product. No residual free product or sludge was observed in either underground storage tank. Evidence suggests that this fuel did not leak into the underground soil and contaminate it, and, therefore, could have been consumed in the building.


I'm still on the fence with regard to the WTC7 collapse and after seeing some pics taken during construction (posted by bsbray11) I'm certain there were no observed explosions large enough to dismantle such a massive steel structure. If it was deliberate it was something other than explosives.


reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 09:32 AM by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by EvilAxis



Evil,

There is another thread showing pictures from 911. Two members on that thread alone state that the North side was in "prestine" condition. This is why I started this thread. To show that there were fire and damage on the north side.

I would like you to read a few quotes from the people that were around WTC7:

The building was fully involved in fire.
– Photographer Steve Spak

We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors.
–FDNY Lieutenant Robert LaRocca

...Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a half an hour later it came down.
–FDNY Lieutenant James McGlynn

I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run.
–FDNY Deputy Chief Nick Visconti
www.firehouse.com...

All morning I was watching 7 World Trade burn, which we couldn't do anything about because it was so much chaos looking for missing members.
–Firefighter Marcel Klaes

When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories.

–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers
Smith, Dennis, 2002. Report From Ground Zero: The Heroic Story of the Rescuers at the World Trade Center. New York: Penguin Putnam. p. 160

The whole south side of Seven World Trade had been hit by the collapse of the second Tower, and there was fire on every floor."
– Fire Captain Brenda Berkman
(Susan Hagen and Mary Carouba, Women at Ground Zero, 2002, p. 213)

"When I got out and onto a clear pile, I see that 7 World Trade Center and the customs house have serious fire. Almost every window has fire. It is an amazing site.

–Captain Jay Jonas, Ladder 6.
(Dennis Smith. Report From Ground Zero. New York: Viking Penguin, 2002. P. 103)

"The other building, #7, was fully involved, and he was worried about the next collapse."
-Firefighter TJ Mundy
(Dennis Smith. Report From Ground Zero. New York: Viking Penguin, 2002.)

7 World Trade was burning from the ground to the ceiling fully involved. It was unbelievable.
–Firefighter Steve Modica www.firehouse.com...

So I attempted to get in through the Barkley Street ramp which is on Barkley (sic) and West Broadway, but I was being held back by the fire department, because 7 World Trade, which is above the ramp, was now fully engulfed.
PAPD K-9 Sergeant David Lim www.911report.com...


reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 10:28 AM by ThroatYogurt
Originally posted by sayzaar
To all you debunkers who have OBVIOUSLY not searched for evidence that WTC 7 was a controlled demolition, watch this video of Silverstein himself, in HIS OWN WORDS!! and then hide yourselves in shame!!
www.youtube.com...


OBVIOULSY you think that a man who was smart enough to assist in the planning of 911 is STUPID enough to admit it on a documentary.

Sorry Sayzaar...the "pull it" comment has been rehashed here at least 200 times.


reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 10:58 AM by Griff
Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
Please show me some evidence to refute that of the MANY firefighters and other people that were witness to WTC7 in the afternoon.


Please point out the "fully engulfed" fires on the south side.

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

I see one area where the flames are shooting out the windows on the southwest corner but no visible flames on the south side.

Shouldn't be hard to spot with all the firemen saying the building was "fully engulfed" right? So, where's the fire? I see a lot of smoke but no flames shooting out the windows on the south facade.



Can you show me this "fully engulfed" building because I'm having a hard time seeing any flames. Thanks.

[edit on 6/25/2008 by Griff]


reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 12:21 PM by ANOK
reply to post by Griff



BTW Griff that snoke in that pic is not from WTC7 but from the collapse of WTC1.

Remember my thread here, where I debunked the WTC 7 smoke?...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I suggest the de-bunkers take a look...Here is an excerpt...

*Warning large pics.






(This is from FEMA)

It is worth emphasizing that 20,000 gallons (of a maximum of 23,200 gallons) where recovered intact from the two 12,000-gallon Silverstein tanks. So, it is probable that the 20,000 gallons recovered was all of the oil in the tanks at that time. Since the oil in the Silverstein tanks survived, we can surmise that there was no fire on the ground floor.

Note that the size of a 12,000 gallon tank would be a little less than 12 feet by 12 feet by 12 feet (if built as a cube).


Source

So the diesel fuel had no significant effect on the fire obviously.

WTC 7 was designed to stop the spread of fire by compartmentalization…

Concrete floor slabs provided vertical compartmentalization to limit fire and smoke spread between floors (see Figure 5-11). Architectural drawings indicate that the space between the edge of the concrete floor slab and curtain wall, which ranged from 2 to 10 inches, was to be filled with fire-stopping material.



A zoned smoke control system was present in WTC 7. This system was designed to pressurize the floors above and below the floor of alarm, and exhaust the floor of alarm to limit smoke and heat spread.


So how did the fires manage to engulf the whole building? If you put this together with the images we have of the building, logic should tell you the fires were not raging as we are led to believe.

WTC 7, 6.5 seconds into its collapse. Where are the raging fires?


Edited to add pics.

[edit on 25/6/2008 by ANOK]


reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 12:41 PM by imd12c4funn
would a physics Professor be qualified to find WTC 7 defying the laws of physics?
Prof. Steven Jones - Bringham Young University Physics Professor
www.youtube.com...

or, as the title of this youtube clip suggests,
9/11 SCHOLARS USE UNPATRIOTIC SCIENCE TO PROVE INSIDE JOB
www.youtube.com...

Does "unpatriotic" have a new definition? is it the opposite of this?

patriotic:
Patriotic \Pa`tri*ot"ic\, a. [Cf. F. patriotique, Gr.
patriwtiko`s belonging to a fellow-countryman.]
Inspired by patriotism; actuated by love of one's country;
zealously and unselfishly devoted to the service of one's
country; as, a patriotic statesman, vigilance.
[1913 Webster]

maybe this would be more fitting:

Patriotism:
From THE DEVIL'S DICTIONARY ((C)1911 Released April 15 1993) :

PATRIOTISM, n. Combustible rubbish read to the torch of any one
ambitious to illuminate his name.
In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the
last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened
but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first.

Wouldn't patriotism be a better word in that title? maybe add in lieu of..

9/11 SCHOLARS USE PATRIOTISM IN LIEU OF SCIENCE TO PROVE INSIDE JOB

Yes ,..that would be better.


reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 12:44 PM by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by Griff



Griff,

What time is that video taken? Just curious.

Thanks.


reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 12:54 PM by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by ANOK



Anok...

Please watch the video again. Please explain to me how this smoke was coming from the collapses.


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