Originally posted by Griff

Griff...

Please please please... lets not get on the Silverstein train!!! I beg of you!!!

the guy said he spoke to the commander. He didn't state the name of the person. Maybe someday he will. Maybe his inflated billionaire ego was puffed up for the camera... really. Maybe he spoke to someoneCan we drop it for this thread?

Thanks dude.

:TY:

EDIT TO ADD:

I am well aware of Mr. Silverstein's statement, but to the best of my recollection, I did not speak to him on that day and I do not recall anyone telling me that they did either. That doesn't mean he could not have spoken to someone from FDNY, it just means that I am not aware of it.

- Chief Nigro

[edit on 25-6-2008 by ThroatYogurt]

ive seen house fires last longer....

the proof well. honestly how much proof you gonna get when most of the actual material from the evidence is gone?....

Yes we have pictures an the endless Phone game of people saying what they saw... But in the end this is about as easy to prove as UFOs on earth... or Ghosts....

You know people get away with murder becuz of " Lack of proof " does it mean they didnt murder anyone? Nahh they just hid all the evidence very well.... Or even Collected all of it an destroyed it... Maybe made it into a Monument...

sorry seems that the video wont load..RKOWENS4 is the poster of said video..he has a couple about wtc7, at you tube..good explanation of the "squibs"

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt

Originally posted by cashlink
Why are you wasting Your time, trying to Fool people?
We have shown you enough proof, explosives brought down WTC7.
Why dont YOU explain how WTC7 fell down, all by it self with out the help of man.

OMG! Really? you have shown me proof!!?

Why show me? You should be heading to CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC,BBC, NATO, the UN... your local authorities..

Why am i so special?

Oh BTW... man did help bring down WTC-7. Actually men.... 19 of them

Pseudoskeptics and Disinformants Is what I see here.

OMG! Really? you have shown me proof!!?

I ask you first, and YOU have failed to prove a thing!

Why show me? You should be heading to CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC,BBC, NATO, the UN... your local authorities..

Where have you been? what News? You call main stream TV News! LOL
They been inform NOT to report on anything outside the Government verision of 911.
It is very clear that our NEWS Bashes and Belittle anyone who even ask any questions about 911.
Or they lose thier jobs.

Why am i so special?

You are "NOT"! and no one said YOU where.

Oh BTW... man did help bring down WTC-7. Actually men.... 19 of them

YA! Thats why 7 of the high jackers are still alive, and some have Sued the Governmen,t for OUT RIGHT LIEING!

Most truth seeker already know this.
I have to ask, are you a Key board Op?

Emergency Official Witnessed Dead Bodies In WTC 7
In exclusive video, Barry Jennings discusses explosions in Building 7 before collapse of twin towers.


In reality, what Jennings witnessed completely contradicts the official story of what happened to Building 7.

On the morning of 9/11 in his capacity as Deputy Director, Emergency Services Department, New York City Housing Authority, Jennings and Michael Hess, who is a founding Partner and Senior Managing Director of Giuliani Partners LLC, visited the Office of Emergency Management inside Building 7 only to find it had been abandoned.

"Upon arriving into the OEM EOC, we noticed that everybody was gone," said Jennings. "I saw coffee that was on the desk, the smoke was still coming off the coffee, I saw half-eaten sandwiches," he stated, adding that he and Hess were told to leave the building right away.

Jennings and Hess found a stairwell and descended the stairs.

"When we reached the 6th floor the landing that we were standing on gave way, there was an explosion and the landing gave way, I was left there hanging, I had to climb back up and walk back up to the 8th floor," said Jennings.

"The explosion was beneath me....so when the explosion happened it blew us back....both buildings (the twin towers) were still standing," he added.

"I was trapped in there for several hours, I was trapped in there when both buildings came down - all this time I'm hearing all kinds of explosions, all this time I'm hearing explosions, said Jennings, adding that when firefighters took them down to the lobby it was in "total ruins".

"For me to see what I saw was unbelievable," said Jennings.



The firefighters kept saying to Jennings "do not look down" because, according to Jennings, "we were stepping over people and you can tell when you're stepping over people."

A police officer then told Jennings, "you will have to run because we have reports of more explosions."

"I'm just confused about one thing....why World Trade Center 7 went down in the first place - I'm very confused about that - I know what I heard I heard explosions," said Jennings, adding that the explanation that the explosions were as a result of fuel oil tanks in the building did not add up.

"I'm an old boiler guy, if it was a fuel oil tank it would have been one side of the building," he stated.

Footage inside the Millennium Hilton building lobby, which was closer to the WTC twin towers than Building 7, shows minimal damage after both towers had collapsed in comparison with devastating damage in the lobby of WTC 7, as reported by Jennings, before either tower had even collapsed.

Jennings' eyewitness report of explosions inside WTC 7 before the towers had collapsed as well as dead bodies inside the building completely contradicts the official story, which maintains that there were no fatalities inside Building 7.

If WTC 7 collapsed as a result of damage it sustained from the fall of the twin towers, as the official version claims, then why were explosions taking place inside the building before either tower had collapsed?

The BBC hit piece documentary, which airs on July 6th, features an interview with Jennings but according to Loose Change's Jason Bermas, the program will distort Jennings' comments in an attempt to sideline the shocking nature of what he witnessed and the blatant manner in which his experiences contradict the official story.



[edit on 6/25/2008 by cashlink]

Originally posted by theability
Well for the lack of a better answer, Yes. Flashes of smoke and ejection of high-pressure gases, running up the outside corner supports of a building about to collapse upon its' own footprint would be exactly the definition of a "Demolition Squib'!

As are clearly audible explosions and accompanying flashes firing off in a rapid sequence, none of which are present in any footage of the structure's collapse.

It just falls. No CD.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
Griff... here is a great write up from a firefighter.....

And I'm about to rip it apart. Get ready.

Of course WTC 7 was not entirely wreathed in flames.

First admission that the building was not "fully engulfed".

As a firefighter, I've heard buildings described as "fully involved" before which, while they had plenty of fire going, were not actually completely engulfed in flames. Not every description is 100% literally accurate.

Well, as a structural engineer, I've never heard of a building failing like a house of cards until 9/11.

But, his last sentence is about the only part I can agree with.

What is accurate to say is that WTC 7 suffered from heavy fires on multiple floors as well as obvious and significant (i.e., non-cosmetic) structural damage. The fires shown in the attached image on floors 11 and 12 are "heavy fire".

So, "multiple floors" equates to floors 11 and 12? Multiple in my book equates to more than 2. Actually 2 is considered a "couple" of floors. And the damage, to me from video and photographic evidence supports that it was cosmetic as I see NO columns destroyed. You know, the things that actually hold buildings up?

I've never spent that much time on WTC conspiracies, but clearly this is not the corner that had the big chunk taken out. That tells me that either fire spread from the damaged corner all the way through the building, or that some effects of the damage propagated through the building to initiate fire on that side. The same can be seen from the floor 7 fire image above.

OK. So, fire spreads. Does it continue to stay hot enough to collapse buildings all the way through? Wouldn't it have started to collapse from the side it was intense first as it spread? Cooling the burnt parts as it goes? Or does it wait until it gets to the other side to finally make the columns loose strength all at once? Pretty smart fire if you ask me.

FDNY observed heavy fire in the building, on multiple floors.

I've seen heavy fire on 2 floors. Care to back this up with anything more than the same 5 quotes we've been hearing from for 7 years now? Or would we like to quote others that say different?

They observed significant structural damage.

What is significant?

They observed creaking and groaning noises. They observed, via the use of a transit, the building coming out of line. They had no fire attack going on the building. Building fire suppression systems were damaged and the water supply was compromised.

It's funny how I see photos from 9/11 where the firefighters are pouring water on WTC 5 which is only a block away and actually "fully engulfed". But no one wanted to fight WTC 7? Again. Why?

Taken together, these are unambiguous collapse indicators. AFAIK this doesn't mean, from the structural engineer's perspective, that the building must necessarily collapse. But from the firefighter's perspective, it must be expected to do so, and imminently - as indeed accounts from numerous FDNY firefighters showed.

So it's an imminent danger that has ZERO precedence behind it? I'm not talking about just some flimsy ceiling steel bowing and collapsing. I'm talking about real steel.

The silly word games about "fully involved" are meaningless and amount to nothing more than casting FUD on the expertise and integrity of real, on-the-scene firefighters by self-appointed experts from the University of Google. Don't indulge them.

I hate to tell Mr. Firefighter, but I have way more than just internet degrees. I'd like to know what kind of education he has? Other than being a hose monkey?

BTW, pretty sad that you post a post from some yahoo, who all we know could be thedman from jref.

[edit on 6/25/2008 by Griff]

Originally posted by pccat
are you sure those are "squibs" ?

Are you sure those are jets of air from a building collapsing suppossedly from the base?