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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 04:37 AM by Dan Tanna
reply to post by sir_chancealot



That echo has been heard on my phone alot - to the extent that i had to buy a 'throw away' pre paid unregistered mobile phone.

Your not paranoid at all - especially if you have been discussing alternate articles over the phone.


reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 01:03 PM by tyranny22
reply to post by West Coast


Neat video, but I've got a couple things to add to the end slogans:

"It cost me. It's NOT what makes me - me."

These ideas are not based on what people need. They're solely based on consumerism ... much like the topic at hand.

How can one monopolize a market, then capitalize?

It's what has become wrong with America. People are too busy being concerned with their iPhones and American Idol to care about really important things like needless wars and corporate monopolies than end up costing them more money than they can actually afford - thus, forcing them into debt for things they don't really need. Who cares about tens of thousands of people effected by flooding when the NBA finals are on?

Can you imagine the exact same video, only with the gentleman coming home and reading a newspaper, or getting a message from his answering machine? How about the fellow in the car pulling out a map and using some deductive reasoning to determine the best possible path to his destination? I know ... sounds scary and needless when someone can do all that hard work and thinking for you.



reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 01:05 PM by tyranny22
Since My Thread on this subject will likely be killed, here's the video I posted along with it:




reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 07:02 PM by Sanity Lost
From New World Order Report

This is a working link to the story that goes on and says:

The first steps in a move to charge for every e mail sent have already been taken. Under the pretext of eliminating spam, Bill Gates and other industry chieftains have proposed Internet users buy credit stamps which denote how many e mails they will be able to send.


Note: video at this site as well. Thanks to tyranny22 for posting it first.

[edit on 11-6-2008 by Sanity Lost]


reply posted on 12-6-2008 @ 12:38 AM by Sanity Lost
Dan Tanna


as for the net being turned into a taxed medium and controlled just like televison....


They are trying to nickle and dime us to death. First the price of gas, now possibly higher price to get less on the net. Guess they can call it ethanol internet then.


DaRage

You wrote that you don't believe this will happen because they don't want to drive away most people. Maybe so, but I look at it another way. I can see them forcing, through more taxes and higher prices to cause the little folks like us to abandon the internet. I don't know how many of us pay attention to the adds online and shell out $$$ anyway. Perhaps the plan is to focus the
advertising to the upper class to make with worth their time. I believe it's already been mentioned that they want us out of the net to stop discussing our discontent with the big wigs too.


sir chancealot


They thought it would be "bread and circuses" to the geeks. What they didn't realize was that the geeks found a way to make money giving it to the masses. Now they are faced with a medium over which they have very little control. (By this, I mean the content, not the physical/logical connections)


That's right. They want to reign in the wild horse to make sure that they are the one's who profit, not the little guy. As you mention too, they want to do away with the last outlet for truth in news.
I dont' know what to tell you about your phone calls. Just day "Hi Mom" to everyone you call.


Soldier of Darkess


*Humankind has survived everything thus far, even 2 world wars, great depressions etc.
*Most of the significant changes in technology are very far away, and will only be available to a select few.


Not everyone survives in time of war, depressions, and so forth. The plan is to create the haves and the have nots. Eliminating the middle class. We will end up little while those in power keep gaining power and weath.
Thank you for your opinion.


Trance Optic

Hopefully the "Undernet" and others opposing this plan can keep it from succeeding.


Anonymous ATS


If and when the time comes, there will be a replacement being worked on by countless computer scientists such as myself. It will not only be for information, but for our very survival as a profession.


Then you're saying that whatever TPTB do is just going to be a minor set back for some time but we'll find a way to get around it to keep the WWW going as we need it? Keep us posted of ways we can work to get around what may be in the works for us.


infinite

Thank you for adding your thoughts to this thread. Let's see how far they try to go before push come to shove and they realize their error.
We can hope for that, can't we?


reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 10:55 AM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by kickoutthejams


Internet 2.0 is actually just a Buzz word which describes the next generation of website designs and interaction (which should really be around web 5.0 or 6.0 now). The technologies that this entails are things such as AJAX, Multimedia, Advanced Flash, and XML based engines that make web sites look and feel more like desktop applications. It is a broad based term.



Then you're saying that whatever TPTB do is just going to be a minor set back for some time but we'll find a way to get around it to keep the WWW going as we need it? Keep us posted of ways we can work to get around what may be in the works for us.


What is in the works at this point is anyone's guess. At first it will be haywire because so many programmers will approach it in so many different ways. There will be a handful (or more) of different ways that will be coming and going, until there is a standard that will begin to be adopted.

At first I imagine TPTB will block off certain websites from access, assuming the network admins are lazy, you can expect they are doing it by deleting those websites from their DNS lists, which means if you type in the domain name, their servers will not know which IP address they correspond to. So to get around this we will have independent people running their own DNS servers that update directly from one of the main root servers, or something that is close enough to it.

Once that is occurring and TPTB realize that the DNS deletion scenario is fruitless, the will start to most likely block IP's on the network level. rather than having the whole list and taking out what they -don't- want you to visit, they will create a list of sites they -will- let you visit. So anything not on the list gets immediate packet dropped. This is when the real issues begin for normal people. IP's will be blocked all over the net, and you will be cut off entirely from those servers. This is when we will have to come up with an entirely new solution.

Without putting to much thought into this, I would expect it to probably start with Dial up services where you would be calling computer to computer (assuming VoIP communication is also being blocked). The computers on the other end will cache as many sites as they can, and will trade their site cache with other computers that have cache's of other sites. Forums like these will go back to the BBS type forums of long ago, and communications will take much longer. In the begining it will be very frustrating if not impossible for unskilled users to access and use these systems.

As time goes on and programmers think more into this scenario I see the dial up systems moving to chained wireless hubs setup by home users. As this goes further into mainstream we may see Wide access Wireless systems covering miles of territory that link together. This would be the beginnings of the "New" network.


This again is with no real sitting down and completely thinking through all the different scenarios and will depend heavily on how far this goes.

It will be interesting to say the least to see how it all evolves.


reply posted on 11-11-2010 @ 05:44 AM by bluestar.ranch
reply to post by Sanity Lost


I agree.. this is a likely possibility.. thus another control for banking and your accounts. this will no doubt be set up "autodraft" My solution for ME?

I am getting off of the Interent "grid" now and learning how to make do with basic items, sustain my family on the ranch and NOT depend on the Interent... there is a whole world without the Interent and you can live it if you want to..

The Internet has been around for one brief generation.... LEARN how to make do without it as one day the TPTB will shut it down and control you! (ok you can make your own, but it wont be the same)

THOUSANDS of years people have managed without the Interent.. so can you.

The Interent is the biggest bubble yet! just look at how people are being snared for "convenience"
Peoples banking, shopping, selling buying, entertainment, socialism, communication, business transactions... need I say more? in the near future...

Soon, very soon you will be able to "copy/duplicate store and transport your soul/being" to other dimentions or places/time.... We are in a game people and the Interent is the porthole! So now you see why it will be controled.

I will just learn to "live" as a person.. I am tired of playing this game... its not fun anymore. I will just pretend the Interent does not exist! and enjoy my ranch!


reply posted on 11-11-2010 @ 09:07 PM by xweaponx
reply to post by Sanity Lost


That artcile from cnet was taken in 2006. A lot has been done to save the internet from these companies. I honestly could not see the "internet" ending in 2012 because think about it. You have TRILLION of websites that pay fee's per month to keep there site live. It's called hosting. You have sites from design studios, film studios, personal blogs, social sites, picture sites, porn sites, music sites, retail, food, car, auctions, house finder, news, images, etc...

If they shut down the web they would shut down all of human intelligence due to kids in school use the internet for projects. People rely on the internet for information that is true and information that is false.

Hackers are a small thing, Back in the day I hacked a few things. It's mainly because people use dumb passwords like......drum rolls, -password- or there cell number. Hackers is such a small percentage it amazes me how companies think everyone is going to crush them.

Servers are everywhere. With basic knowledge you can make your own network. So this TV like programming would never go off. Because TRILLIONS of people all around the world would complain and it would not happen, a complete uprising would take place.

This doesn't need to be in the 2012 section, Nothing to do with 2012.


reply posted on 11-11-2010 @ 09:28 PM by pajoly
reply to post by Sanity Lost


It is called the "Net Neutrality" debate, meaning those FOR Net Neutrality believe the Internet should be open and neutral and that you provider should not be able to restrict access (such as to those that pay them, ala a cable model). Tea Partiers -- all too often being the ignorant lot they are -- are completely against Net Neutrality because their corporate masters have told them to be against it. (In fairness and sadness, the Tea Partiers are not generally aware that they ARE being played, funded and manipulated by the mega rich like the Koch brothers, Coors, etc.). The Republican Party is also against net Neutrality.

Even Google has come out with a deal with Verizon (negotiated NOT in good faith even as the FCC was trying to sort this out) have come out against Net Neutrality and made a pact that at least in the mobile world, they will restrict content and sites that may be accessed based on a cable like model. www.nytimes.com...

This is a serious debate and will affect us all FAR more than most anything else that can be debated on this site and that includes, arguably, missiles over CA. The death of Net Neutrality IS the death of the Internet, the death of free speech, the death of mass online public association and organizing, the end of unfettered information.
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