NOBama Nation: 1.7 Trillon required for Universal Healthcare AND Global Poverty Act, page 3
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reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 12:00 AM by Animal
reply to post by jetxnet


Actually it would be th other way around. While the red tape might pile up, the advertising and paying cooperate fat cats would dramatically decrease!

In the morning I will dig up the numbers and post them. I am too sleepy right at the moment.

Edit: keep your tags to yourself, Obama was not my choice but I am supporting him now. Universal styled health care is also not his brain child. What I am trying to say is Don't Pigeon Hole Me Man, i do not like it.

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reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 12:03 AM by Karlhungis
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I run my own business and can tell you, there are ALWAYS unforseen circumstances with regard to expenses etc.


I wonder what percentage of government programs come in under budget? The Iraq war was supposed to pay for itself.... I can't imagine how bad they are going to miss the mark on the healthcare plan.



reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 12:20 AM by Karlhungis
reply to post by Animal




Defending the cooperate RACKET makes no sense.


I admit, I haven't looked into it enough to know one way or another, but I would bet dollars to donuts that the new plan will still be a huge racket for big pharma. I mean, they are going to have guaranteed income from every citizen in the country now. Seems to me that the medical industry and the poor will benefit most from this.

I just don't see this as some helpful government act, looking out for the welfare of the people. This will be like most other large government programs, bloated and inefficient. I am sure there will be plenty of room for big corporations to continue screwing the people.


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 12:46 AM by Animal
reply to post by jetxnet



You wrote:


The Universal Healthcare plan is similar in cost (over 800 Billion). You claim it would be easy to lower over what it is now??


$800 Billion = LESS THAN $2.3 TRILLION

There is NO WAY you can say that it is more, THAT IS NOT SANE. Yes if you include this Global Poverty thing than maybe it would cost more, but I am talking about HEALTH CARE, only HEALTH CARE.

If you say Obama's Health Care is $800 Billion that means he is saying he can give us ALL health care for LESS THAN HALF of what it cost 84% of US citizens to get health care in 2007.

EDIT: To add, NONE of my numbers came from Barakobama.com, NONE. PLEASE follow the links I provided when I provided #'s for you. This is starting to get silly mate.

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reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 02:09 AM by Right to Rebel
Originally posted by flice
Found this link... A year old, but hey. Unfortunately the guy who has the blog is biased to the egotistic side. Just look away from that...
20% of your taxes are put into defense and if you read 6% of your taxes were sucked into defense after 9/11.
War not costing citizens money? Yeah, right... down right blantantly ignorant and disinformation.
What's your purpose here on ATS Jetxnet?


where does the money go


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Wow, besides writing under an obvious bias, this "article" is an excellent example of how not to spend tax money! So illogical: "I don't support welfare programs for the uneducated and lazy, but I also don't support education funding." The complete lack of empathy and logic astounds me.....

And thank you for bringing this up flice. If the money doesn't come from us then where does it originate? OF COURSE IT COMES OUT OF OUR POCKETS! These trillions don't materialize in the over funded defense budget, they come from every money making source in this country. If your tax dollars go to defense spending, they support the war.

Support war or support your own damn fellow Americans, geez what would make more sense?


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 02:09 AM by flice
reply to post by jetxnet


Show us a link showing NO new taxed were used... show it! Instead of just making up statements. That's so freaking American / conservative way of debating... lots of hot air, nothing to back it up with.

www.timesonline.co.uk...


And before you start complaining about healthcare and poverty act, then consider if you really really need to spend SO MUCH money on military in the first place?
What's the point? Does it strengthen your spine and your proud white boy attitiude that you're causing disruption in the world with your hardcore boneheaded commandos, your covert organisations swooping in and out of countries gathering info because someone at the top is so paranoid he shouldn't have been let near a position of leadership in the first place.
Your whole defense structure is broken. It is so NOT transparent that you can't even see exactly where does these tax money go.

Give some proof that backs up your claims.

And last question... why does it hurt you so much to help those less fortunate? You do know that some people are not less fortunate by choice...

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