NOBama Nation: 1.7 Trillon required for Universal Healthcare AND Global Poverty Act, page 2
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reply posted on 8-6-2008 @ 08:51 PM by jetxnet
Good post and questions BlueTriangle.

People tend to forget that 9/11 and the Code Red virus in 2001 caused nearly 2 Trillion$ in economic damage to the US in terms of business downtime.

Another argument you'll hear now then, is that the war in Iraq has caused higher Oil prices. It has not caused the higher Oil prices. A larger increase in Oil demand year after year now, by in large part, from China's booming economy has placed greater demand on Oil. Oil companies have also been taking advantage of the oppurtunity to add a few cents to the cost after the Barrell trade. These are not just US companies, but Oil companies from around the Globe.

The Iraq war has been mostly funded by other countries, with the US owing China now 4.6 Billion. China though, has greatly benefited from the US in terms of the trade deficit, now 220 Billion$ in China's favor. China has defintely not played fair with regard to the World Trade Organization rules and continue to get away with it.

The war in Iraq has not directly affected the American Taxpayers' pockets. There was no new tax introduced to fund this war.

Obama will tax you, and you'll see the largest taxes to your check to date. You will do without.

Funding Global Poverty also requires cooperation from those poor countries governments. Many are militarized lke Burm'a government. They will surely take your money, claim it is going for hunger aid, but instead by more weapons, drugs and prostitutes with it.


reply posted on 8-6-2008 @ 09:04 PM by marg6043
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Actually everything in our nation is been funded by money from foreign nations buying our debt.

American is bankrupt as we are not longer wealthy producers of anything and we are a nation of consumers on credit.

But our government finds money to keep spending like a drunken sailor on a weekend spree with a hooker.

We have a Trillion dollar war that is doing no a darn thing to help any American in this nation.

But that is OK and justified, while millions of Americans can not afford basic health care and plague by unemployment, foreclosures and high cost of living.

Pity, lets bash Obama.


reply posted on 8-6-2008 @ 09:05 PM by AgentScmidt
Originally posted by biggie smalls
There is no 'liberal' and 'conservative' politician. That is a misnomer. A politician is always about big government because they don't have a job if there is small government. That's how federalism works.


Research Ron Paul


Originally posted by biggie smalls
Yes the old liberal versus conservative trite. I'm glad you're stuck in the box. "They" have won. You have been assimilated into the matrix as Agent Smith, just like your avatar and name.


lol wut?



Originally posted by biggie smalls
Actually, liberals tend to be less war, same size government (which is still bull#), and shifting spending away from war towards helping people.


Liberals are more war, I'll admit todays liberals like BHO and HRC are a bit more conservative on war issues than George Bush or John McCain but they are still very liberal on everything else which is very bad for American people. And BHO and HRC aren't even that anti-war. If they were anti-war they would remove us from Iraq the minute they step in office, but even BHO himself states he can't guarantee the troops will be home until 2013. His handlers, the NWO/elite want war, so it doesn't matter if he's anti-war or not any way.

Same size government? No, under BHO's proposals the size of the federal government will be more than doubled than what is is now, with them having much more power over us than they do now. Just the mere fact of the existance of his "universal healthcare program" is evidence of this. You cannot accomplish universal healthcare without having a massive federal government.



Originally posted by biggie smalls
I think the word you're looking for is NeoConservative, just like the 'liberals' these days are NeoLiberals.

DINOs.


DINOs vs RINOs. Well, the only issues RINOs are conservative on are abortion and taxes, the only issues DINOs are convservative on is war, so the fact of the matter is, you vote for a RINO or a DINO, you are still getting mostly liberal.



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reply posted on 8-6-2008 @ 09:40 PM by biggie smalls
Why are you making this into a democrat versus republican and liberal versus conservative issue?

They are two sides to the same coin. Aside from the few that actually care about the American people (dare I say Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Mike? Gravel) all a politician cares about is getting reelected.

Politiks is not simply a right and left issue. There is an entire political spectrum.

If you want to blame Obama for spending a lot of money on healthcare etc, what was originally 3/4 of a trillion dollars and is now almost 2, why don't you look at what the previous President(s) have done to this country.

Bill Clinton is no saint, and in fact I despise him and his wife. They had their own set of problems, but if you look more recently to our current President and his failed economic policies et all you will find that America's problems have nothing to do with party affiliations.

The whole idea of politiks is to get the American people so divided that each and every law that is passed will ensure our freedoms are removed even more.

Have you heard of the Patriot Act (1 and 2)? This was passed by a Republican-majority. Does that mean the average Republican American believes restricting our freedoms is a good thing? I sure hope not. The same can be said about Democratic bills and the average Democrat.

People are not so cut and dry to be able to fit into the Republican/Democrat mold. We are much more complex than that. To think otherwise in my opinion denotes a high amount of ignorance about the nature of humanity. Most of us want to do what is best for everyone. Unfortunately in this country that usually means Americans and ones who are just like us.

Why don't we ever care for the 'other' whether that means an inner-city 'minority' or the illegal immigrant? We are very selfish as a nation. Look at this very thread.

If we claim to be a freedom loving nation that brings democracy elsewhere, why don't we start acting like it?


reply posted on 8-6-2008 @ 11:27 PM by Animal
reply to post by jetxnet



In 2007, total national health expenditures were expected to rise 6.9 percent — two times the rate of inflation.1 Total spending was $2.3 TRILLION in 2007, or $7600 per person.1 Total health care spending represented 16 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP). link


So according to your figures we would save well over a trillion dollars a year! Awesome! Thanks for the heads up! My Vote goes to Obama for sure!


reply posted on 8-6-2008 @ 11:52 PM by Animal
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Rad the link mate:


Although nearly 47 million Americans are uninsured, the United States spends more on health care than other industrialized nations, and those countries provide health insurance to all their citizens.3



In 2005, the United States spent 16 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care. It is projected that the percentage will reach 20 percent by 2016.1...Health care spending accounted for 10.9 percent of the GDP in Switzerland, 10.7 percent in Germany, 9.7 percent in Canada and 9.5 percent in France, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.



Experts agree that our health care system is riddled with inefficiencies, excessive administrative expenses, inflated prices, poor management, and inappropriate care, waste and fraud. These problems significantly increase the cost of medical care and health insurance for employers and workers and affect the security of families.


In fact I have herd that up towards 25% of the total expenditure of health care in the US goes to administration fees. This includes things like advertising. To be quite honest I think there is plenty of evidence to support the FACT that creating a NEW form of health care is not only good for our HEALTH but our POCKET BOOKS as well.

All from my original link




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