Obama says goal 'to eliminate' Iran threat

I personally don't buy into the idea that Iran is some kind of rouge state. Being Islam directed, and Islam being manufactured by the Vatican (So say the Jesuits), and secret societies largely controlling leaderships, I think Iran is just the latest melodrama. It may or may not be part of trying to establish a rational for the nuking of the US perhaps as a counter to some nuking in Iran, but it is all orchestrated to the top most levels.

“Where is THIER PROOF, that Iran is building WMD?”

Obviously the International Atomic Energy Agency is sure that Iran’s Bushehr plant exists and is going to plan, but that isn’t the point, the power station is benign. It is the ability to take weapons grade plutonium from the fuel rods that is in contention. This ultimately comes down to a matter of trust. If you add the Iranian thirst for ballistic missiles into the mix then you have the capability and the means to deliver the good news to Israel, which is now well within the 2000km range of the Ashoura missile (1569km from Jerusalem to Tehran).

In my opinion it serves nobody to allow Iran to gain the capability to destroy an entire nation on trust that they will do the right thing. Nothing in their recent behaviour lends them credibility, from the Royal Navy publicity stunt which they had tried before, to the “Special Groups” in Iraq, and Hezbollah. They are tainted and deserve no trust.

“I have not seen anything so far, only Properganda.”

Without Plutonium there is nothing to see. But as I stated above they are developing the means to deliver Plutonium.

“This GREED, for Irans oil is what all this is about!”

America can’t and won’t put boots on the ground in Iran because it will threaten stability in Iraq and the US as run out of Brownie points. They will support Israel if they decide to strike though, but it will be behind the scenes logistically and a combination of tacit support and damage control on the world stage.

Also Israel can’t and won’t threaten supplies of crude from Iran, so China and Japan will not give a monkey’s if Israel destroys Iran’s nuclear capability. Russia will complain but they are never going to war against the US because Israel bombed Iran. Nothing in that equation serves their purpose.

Ultimately the estimates are that Iran will have nuclear power in 2008. That may have slipped as the Iranian oil bourse did, but I predict that Israel will attack before the station becomes operational. I also think that America would have been wise knowing Israeli intentions to increase their anti missile and air cover in the region in the case that Iran tried to attack American bases in Iraq and close the Straits of Hormuz in response.

My predictions are always wrong just like everybody else’s because I’m not privy to the facts and even those who are get it wrong, so don’t shoot me if I’m wrong.

Originally posted by Equinox99
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

Hold on so when the Iranian leader says the Zionist regime will disappear people claim he is a monster, but when a US leader says he will eliminate the Iran threat he is a hero? Makes no sense to me.

What's so hard to understand. It all depends on who you are you see, something called a Superpower nation, I have more nukes and more air power so don't mess with us . We all know how well Israel's zionist's love empathy, and the U.S is the perfect proxy to get it through.

Either way, who ever the hell is the next president.. we better get used to it. Its going to be a bumpy ride ahead.

Originally posted by djerwulfe

I was gonna star the post. I appeciate the source, but then I read your interpretation.
The only thing stopping Iranians or anyone from having representative government is the population itself.

So you will argue that state sponsored violence and terrorism with support from foreign countries plays no part in the fact that some people's just can't seem to have representative governments despite the deaths of thousands ( or tens/hundreds of thousands) of organizers and their supporters? You don't think the quest for representative government and 'freedom' ranks a bit lower on most people's lists if they there is a good chance that they wont survive to see anything they might have achieved? If you want to argue that can you please show me how such a belief can be shown to be in accordance with human nature or any other 'instinct' that would lead people as sheep to the slaughter?

The U.S. government is getting less representative because if you let morons decide, you fail.

But their not letting the people decide about anything but about who will ultimately lie to them while doing not many if any of the things they asked for. Sure we could argue that people are morons but first the governments of the world would as rule have to start doing what their people wanted so we can find out if the people are actually stupid!

Every freebie handed out only bolsters laziness and stupidity. It spreads like maggots, but woe to those not ready with a handout.

People are naturally lazy unless otherwise and sufficiently indoctrinated to work all day to enrich another. As most people today work for someone else that shared little of their interest it's hardly a surprise that people don't work hard for them and that some will try to find short cuts toward paying the rent while not having to suffer the indignities that goes along with being a wage slave. Standing in a benefit line may be embarrassing but it hardly compares to 8- 10 hours a day of sitting around trying to either do good work , and not getting rewarded, or not doing much and getting by any ways.

As for the stupidity i have far more respect for those few ( and most Americans on welfare are working full time ) who somehow manage to make the system pay them for doing nothing than i have for those dolts that enrich their corporate bosses who will in turn use the profits to move their operations to a country where they can pay the workers half as much because people there are just happy to be able to afford a little food at the end of the day.

This is why Bush rigged the election.

He didn't rig it as if he did he would have actually won the electoral vote. What Bush's friends did is STEAL the election twice as they didn't manage to rig it well enough to get away with obscuring their trickery.

So what's it gonna be? An informed, diligent, honorable productive population actually involved in decision making, but responsible for themselves

So how will people become informed if the best educated amongst them are selected at relatively young ages to be educated in 'facts' that aren't and almost always seem to result in reasoning and arguments that will result in them creating discussions that results in their listeners becoming ever more misinformed and thus basically uninformed? How informed would people be if their schooling system actually taught them useful things about their world instead of creating workers to staff the imperial machine or capitalist work benches?

As for diligent/honorable what allegiance do i owe my current boss other than the fact that i am worth more to him than he pays me? In fact doesn't he owe ME for signing up to be exploited to his benefit? When it comes to productivity i am confident that given property of their own ( not the banks) most people would not only make it productive, as humanity managed for the absolutely majority of the time before the modern capitalist age, but be quite responsible ,diligent and honorable in there exchanges with others. When things are going well it's logical to be honorable but since capitalism ensures that it's always going badly for the majority what do we expect beside deceit and cheating in the interest of short term survival?

or a welfare state of ignorant lazy people who are INCAPABLE of making wise choices?

What is a welfare state other than a state that gives the people back exactly what they gave in taxes ? Why should a state somehow consume the resources it took from it's citizens without giving them any benefit for it? How would a welfare state that consists on ignorant lazy people actually tax anyone if no wise decisions are made about how and when to work? As to wise decisions how many more times do you want the people of various countries to tell you what they really want and what would it take for you to understand their disappointment when they keep voting for candidates that so often do the exact opposite of what they said they would? Who's fault is it really when the people's candidates are maligned in the corporate press when they can no longer be murdered outright? How can you judge humanity so harshly when it's abundantly obvious what we want and try to achieve to the best of our abilities?

You can't have it both ways. What's the impetus for people to be informed and engaged when they haven't earned anything?

Sure you can't have it both ways and that's why capitalism declared war on socialism/communist ages ago to ensure that people do not get governments that at least in theory guarantees that the people will retain control over the resources and productive capacity of their country. Sure many of those experiments have failed but what chance did they have in a environment where capitalism had already established itself by genocide and worse? What is the impetus for people to be informed and engaged when time and time again the entire machinery of the state is turned upon them destroying their chosen community representatives and social structures? What impetus is there to get yourself killed pointlessly?

They have nothing to lose and are like spoiled children. How can those people be in charge and not screw up?

Well 'they' ( meaning us, the people ) rarely get in charge of anything so until we gain a chance to prove ourselves we should not be written off so completely.

You want more eroding democracy in North America? Then keep on raising taxes and expanding Federal Powers. And have a lollipop. On me.

Well that's exactly what the largely undemocratic electoral powers in the US have been doing for a damn long time and the only thing that has reigned them in so far is the democratic action of the American people.

Stellar

What a flip-flopping fool. Not even two months ago, Obama claimed Iran was no threat at all.

Now, because of criticism from many potential voters for his non-threat statement, he changes the tune in aims of appealing to voters.

This guy caves to pressure way too easily, not good for the US.

[edit on 10-6-2008 by jetxnet]