Explosion At Shopping Centre, bomber injured

Firstly, my respects to you guys in the UK. Times have changed, and not for the better yet.

More on the subject.. Maybe its just because I'm not a big fan of fear mongering, but I've got this inexplicable gut feeling that an so called 'idiot' - or more politically correct: a person with a mental illness - cannot appreciate the finer aspects of demographical analyses, when it comes to choosing a city; nor do I suspect that he received his commands from a real terrorist cell. They might send an idiot in to do the job, but probably with an actual bomb, attached to his body..

Of course, I can't be sure of this. But among all of the mentally ill in the UK (maybe he was one of the half a million persons suffering from schizophrenia?), how many got to know - in one way or the other - the violent and extreme part of the Islam? Maybe some of them actually believed what they read, and thought it all finally made sense after being disgusted by all the filth of the western world. And maybe a handful of them connected their dots and sought contact with common radicalists, making an effort to reach their goal; destroying their new found enemy, the West. Finding a howto for a bomb is no problem these days, and even that was too much for this 'terrorist'.

By no means do I want to diminish the situation, if anything I admit there is a problem. I just hope you guys try to look beyond the 'terrorism is terrorism' dogma; there's a story behind everything; and hopefully, we can leave everything behind us in a story, soon.

if you go on the bbc website
it was possibly terrorism related
but he was a `troll`
mentally disturbed not a fanatic

im often in exeter as when im in my parents at bristol trains take only an hour and its a really nice place
the `bomber` was a troll he wasnt a `fanatic` and he didnt know what he was doing
nothing to be scared of
im going exeter this weekend
believe me nothing scares me
i know the truth about the world
aliens breeded us and watch over us
there is no god
religion is all a brainwashed load of rubbish
peace guys xxx

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Update: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Domestic Islamic terrorism by lone wolf.

Apologies to ALF, I was wrong about it being animal rights campaigners.

WTF! this guy was from Plymouth, my home town and where I live now. This is far too close for comfort. I've just been out for a walk around the city centre (due to un-related depression, just needed to get out) and I did see some guy in a white van being pulled over by an unmarked police car but thats the only police presence I came across and it was most likely unrelated... but I didn't stick around to find out. Crazy to think I might have brushed passed this guy in the street at some point!

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Don't worry about it, you probably have walked past murderers, child abusers, wife beaters, rapists, people who commit sucide that day etc etc every week!



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Dude, no need to get all worked up about it. During the 1980's I lived in Belfast, as my dad was a soldier.

We lived every day expecting the car to have a bomb in it, expecting to be shot at while going shopping, expecting more trouble on the Mainland. It didn't stop us from just living our lives. Interesting times them and I have stories to share.

And just for added perspective, I was in London on the day that the 7/7 bombers did their recon. In the same stations, using the same tube lines, visiting the same sites as them at the same time.

Doesn't stop me going back to London when the fancy takes me, otherwise they win, do they not?

The yanks might get all emotional when terrorism stikes and totally over react but us British don't do that sort of thing. Just go about your business. The actual risk is significantly less than the perceived risk, exactly like it was when we had REAL terrorism from people who KNEW what they were doing, not these half-baked Islamic idiots who have not yet figured out that you can actually detontate a bomb from a safe distance.

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Precisely.

To borrow a soundbite from the old guard:

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Agreed, the fewer excuses used to extend what is already a reasonable facsimile of a police state the better!
the one aspect of this incident that appears least explored at the moment is the alleged perpetrators background and motives and the readiness of all the press to slap the term "extremist islamic" on someone whom little of a concrete nature is known; a shade too convenient for my taste.

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Yheah man - that's exactly what I thought!... At least there might be something interesting to read in the Herald for a while

Looks like this guy was a bit of a doughnut, but it only takes one I suppose, the news this morning said his neighbours in those stonehouse flats said he spent all his time glued to his computer, guess it wont be long before they figure out if he was acting on some orders or just pieced things together him self - they said he was mentally ill, but not in what way (i don't think).

I racking my brain for any other terrorist events in the south west... all I can think of was Dingles burning down in the 80's, animal rights nutters put incendiaries in the pockets of fur coats. Oh and I think there was a bit of a scare at the ferry port, they had info there was something either at the Plymouth end or France.

Harry's Place commenting on the bombing



Somewhere in the west country could be cell active, but this does seem like a group of half wits which the police are dealing with pretty well.

UPDATE:

Armed police have arrested two people in Plymouth

i live here in plymouth and the shopping centre is about 10 mins away! i dont think it was an over reaction to evacuate the people as someone stated earlier because a bomb is a bomb and is designed to cause damage and death.
there were infact two bombs and only one went 'partially' off so no real damage was done (apart from the bombers face lmao) also that same guy has been arrested.

99.99% of all animal rights activists would never deliberately harm an innocent person. Harming scientists who have been promoting severe animal cruelty, while still over the top, is justifiable to extremists. Just wanted to clarify this before people start painting ALF in the same light as Al Qaeda.

Just a small update this morning.

www.timesonline.co.uk...


Now, remember those of you on the other side of the pond, when us Brits say "Asian" we mean Indian/Pakistani and not Japanese/Chinese. Although when I say "hot Asian chick" I do mean the other way around

www.timesonline.co.uk...


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www.independent.co.uk...




He was on a bus with a device that might have been set off by shaking?! Dozens of people really dodged a bullet that day in two locations.

Obviously Al Qaeda believes their actions are "justified" as well. Terrorism is terrorism. We've got the damned ELF up here in the Pacific Northwest and they're just as much a terror group as any muslim terrorist group is. Same can be said for abortion clinic bombers. They all have sick, easily manipulated minds that open them up to "justifying" heinous acts geared towards changing people's actions and beliefs through fear.

The term 'insane' was used earlier in this thread as a description of the person that attempted to blow-up something or someone? Now, if we are referring to a state of mind in this case being 'insane', then I don't think that a person who conceived the idea of causing destruction large or small then put together the device and then proceeded with the plan could be described as 'insane'? I'm guessing that the term was used to express your feelings about this in relation to your opinion of his state of mind? So, what words do we attribute to a suicide bomber who uses the only means they feel they have as protest, say in Palestine, presumably to shock us from our apathy regarding their suffering? Or what words do we use for this country that invades other countries and contributes to its destruction and inevitable toll of innocent deaths and misery?

An ‘insane’ UK government and Prime Minister?

I'm glad that more people were not injured in this act and may be we need more protection from the ‘insane’?

I realise that, in the way that most people realise that the majority of muslims would not take part in terrorism.

However ALF can be painted with the same brush as islamic terrorism. Both are radical, both commit crimes against property and person, both attack percieved enemies and both are fundamentally terrorists.

ALF may seem like a cuddlier option because they attack the "mean, animal abusing" scientists rather than "innocent" people. But to me all people are innocents and do not deserve death because of their professions or religion.

Where would the extremists of ALF stop? Theyve already gone to arson against buildings, shooting scientists (trying to find a source for that btw), releasing animals that have been tested upon back into the wild (fairly cruel IMO) etc etc.

Will ALF eventually attack anyone who is a non-vegetarian? Then what difference would there be between ALF and Al Qaeda. I am much more likely to be attacked by ALF than Al Qaeda considering my line of work, and to me both are equally despicable.

Quick update...



Laira is an area on the opposite side of the city centre from Stonehouse (where the Exeter bomber lived) prob about 2-3 miles away

Edit: fogot the bloomin link!

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