Originally posted by Res_ipsa_loquitur
Numerous message boards here on ATS talk of how torturing terror suspects is so 'evil'; however, I would argue that now, more than any other period
in history, its use is entirely justified.
Human rights/civil liberty promoters endlessly rant about how inhuman, unconstitutional, illegal, etc the practice is. I think the key flaw in their
whole argument is that torturing suspects who wish to threaten our freedom and liberty is indirectly preserving our rights granted by law by removing
the threat which they desperately advocate.
Another way of looking at the whole situation is to look at it subjectively, as opposed to objectively. Imagine, the situation: your loved one goes to
work in a nearby city by means of a train commute. That train/subway is then attacked, as in London back in 2005, and your loved one dies as a result.
However, the whole heartache and loss could have been prevented if the authorities were legally allowed to extract crucial information prior to the
attack by means of torturing an associate of the terrorists. Would you still abhor the use of it as so many of you do?
Of course there will be innocent people who are wrongly suspected of involvement in any attacks/plots and subsequently tortured but is the torture of
one innocent that wrong in order to be able to torture ten guilty persons?
People in the U.S. should be more proud of their government organisations, in particular the CIA, who allegedly participate in these practices.
There are several problems with this.
1. A suspect is someone accused of a crime and has not been found guilty of it. So that person you think is ok to be tortured could be innocent and
this has happened at least a few times. That is NOT acceptable.
2. Torture has NEVER been shown to be a reliable means of extracting information.
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reply to post by Res_ipsa_loquitur
Have you ever had an Ear, Nose, and Throat (ENT) doctor tell you that you need to use saline solution to rinse your sinuses?
The most efficient procedure is to lay on your back with your head hanging off the bed and spray the saline solution in each nostril.
The only significant differences between this procedure and waterboarding is you are doing it to yourself (and not being held down) and you are using
salt water instead of plain water.
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Why is torture so offensive to people?hmm, maybe becasue subjecting our fellow humans' to die a horrid, slow, agnonizing death is not nice, when we
can end it quick and is not the best idea for them or us, nor is good for the soul. Or maybe because nowhere in the bible does it say thou shall
torture your fellow man or rip them limb to limb. Well those are just my thoughts slick....Peace!
[edit on 19-5-2008 by pak88]
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Originally posted by Res_ipsa_loquitur
Another way of looking at the whole situation is to look at it subjectively, as opposed to objectively. Imagine, the situation: your loved one goes to
work in a nearby city by means of a train commute. That train/subway is then attacked, as in London back in 2005, and your loved one dies as a result.
However, the whole heartache and loss could have been prevented if the authorities were legally allowed to extract crucial information prior to the
attack by means of torturing an associate of the terrorists. Would you still abhor the use of it as so many of you do?
I guess I know what you meant! I would most certanly torture someone in order to save a loved one. But would do so knowing, being 100% aware, that it
is wrong! Ready to suffer the circunstances of my did!
Not having this acknowledge is just scaring!
Originally posted by Res_ipsa_loquitur
Of course there will be innocent people who are wrongly suspected of involvement in any attacks/plots and subsequently tortured but is the torture of
one innocent that wrong in order to be able to torture ten guilty persons?
unfortunatelly the numbers are the other way around! And IF you'd actually studied the subject, you'd know this for sure!
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reply to post by CharlesMartel
And you're not using a soaking rag held over your face to stop your breathing while you struggle to stay alive.
At least keep it logical!
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