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Originally posted by budski
COOLHAND
Now please provide evidence to support your assertions, and contribute something instead of just posting "where's the proof"
Originally posted by budski
I don't consider an interview with a perpetrator and co-conspiritor and armed forces member to be proof.
Time magazine is also part of the AOL Time Warner group and has had legal issues in the past for libel.
Can you post anything by a neutral 3rd party organisation?
Originally posted by budski
reply to post by hinky
So for thinking that the proven detention of innocent civilians is bad, a person is either a simpleton or anti-american?
Do you also condone the proven torture of innocent civilains?
Tell me how you would feel if armed forces invaded your home, took away your male family members, held them without trial or charges, tortured them, granted them absolutely no rights, then released them a few years later as innocent.
The kind of thinking that you have displayed, with apparently no knowledge or comprehension of the situation is what has allowed bush to ride roughshod over the US constitution.
Perhaps you'll be happy when they have real nazi-style concentration camps not only for "terror suspects" but also for any who dare to disagree.
Originally posted by budski
reply to post by eyes2open
They are not signatories to the geneva convention - we're supposed to be the good guys and as such we have to be clean, and not doing what we
So, your saying that as long as you haven't signed a treaty you can do all the horific things you want?!?
BTW - since the coalition invaded, the average iraqi's life has become far, far worse.
Very little food, no jobs, little healthcare, water and electricity for a couple of hours a day and a mortality rate that is far above what the MSM reports, as well as over 4 million displaced persons.
If someone invaded your country, promising freedom and a better life and then delivered exactly the opposite how would YOU feel?
The resistance and terrorists never stopped to give the Iraqi's a chance. Before, with Sadam there was no hope, at least now there is hope. I guess it depends on the news reports you read (liberal or conservative). The truth usually lies somewhere in between.
The insurgency came about because of US policies and mistakes - they had NO plan for re-building the infrastructure after saddam was got rid of.
Everytime the Iraqi's and US build something the "Bad Guys" blow it up alomg with theiir own countrymen. But that's OK, they just want what's best for thier fellow Iraqi's.
Perhaps a little research might be in order before you start posting about how others feel.
Where's your research, posting an opinion piece as fact and you have not exactly shown any proof now have you.
Originally posted by budski
reply to post by eyes2open
Oh I've shown plenty - open the links and read them.
And like I said - we're supposed to be the good guys.
Which means we have to have the moral high ground - I don't like what the insurgents are doing, but they are not doing it in my name.
You are showing a profound lack of understanding of what's going on in iraq.
Can you provide links to support your assertions that the iraqi's are blowing up things the americans have built?Other than main stream media which has been proved to be government sponsored lies...
I also find it interesting that you immediately want to label everything either liberal or conservative - I'm afriad my viewpoint is rather more complex than the simple labels you choose to use.
Originally posted by budski
If the head of an LA gang was on trial, would you trust his lieutenants to tell what really happened, or only their side of it?
High ranking military officials stick to the party line - they have to if they want to keep their career.
As for your other link - what's that supposed to prove?
That's from iraqi prison officials - the same applies to them as it does to military officers.
I mean a neutral link, like amnesty international, the red cross, human rights watch or even the UN human rights people (at a pinch - the UN is pretty much controlled by the US)
Originally posted by budski
Sorry, but ranking officers toe the party line - I speak from experience, and I say this with complete certainty.
Do you not consider the red cross and amnesty international to be more neutral then?
I think I see the blinkers you're wearing.
Only warmongers despise peacefull organisations which have humanitarian goals as their mission statement.
BTW, this isn't about what the iraqi's do - this is about US detention camps - your point is irrelevant.
Originally posted by budski
My experiences have nothing to do with you, and it would be a mistake to think you know anything about me because of a few lines in a discussion forum.
If the red cross etc are so bad, please provide evidence to support this.
For a person who constantly questions other peoples sources, you seem remarkably poor at providing decent sources to refute those of others.