SAAB offer Gripen NG to norway , india

www.gripen.com...

^^

Saab have offered 48 Gripen NG as the requirement for Norways F16 replacement and FCA (future combat aircraft) this would be instead of the F35 , and being honest bang for buck its the best option for them (and swiss fighters as well)

www.cnbc.com...

^^ Saab have formally tendered the Gripen NG for the MMRCA competition within India for 126 aircraft , incompetition to the Boeing F/A18 offered on friday

EADS throws the typhoon into the mix later on today/ early tommorrow as well


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www.defense-aerospace.com...

VV picture of the proposed aircraft carrying

In its multirole configuration, Gripen IN can be armed with 2 Python V missiles on Station 1 (L&R), four Derby BVR missiles Stations 2 (L&R) on twin launchers, four GBU-12 LGBs on Twin Store Carriers fitted to Stations 5 (L&R), plus 2x 300 US gallon Fuel Drop tanks on Station 3 (L&R). Station 4 is fitted with Laser Designator Pod, and Station 5 is empty.

taken from

www.defense-aerospace.com...

hmmmm do either US offering have IRST yet? i know the USN hornets have got a contract last year to develop one but they are not in use as yet (or even built afaik)


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The Swedish offer also includes a broad spectrum of Swedish cooperation with Norwegian industries all over Norway, exceeding 100 percent of the Gripen order value.

This will be interesting where this goes??
I think the NG will turn out to be a great plane.

As i mentioned earlier in the year Norway signed an industrial co-operaton agreement with saab last year - and are allready benefiting from it , whereas the money sink called the F35 , they have spent $$$millions on for effectively nothing - i really think Norway AND denmark will buy into the Gripen NG;


as for India? who know - the Mig Gripen and F16 are what they are looking for really - the others , although nice are treading on the MKI toes.

reply to post by Jezza


Well the airforce prefer F35 from a operational point of view, however

Gripen is a perfect choice for the socialists when Norway is to pull out of

NATO.

The goverment dont want to buy anything made in America these days.

Who are willing to analysis will Norway wait F-35?

reply to post by SickSoul


might be `perfect` but cost is the main factor - and given the choice of 24 F35`s or 48 gripen for the same money - numbers will win

Thales norway have a 2 billion NOK business arrangement that could potentially be worth alot more if further sales go ahead , KDA have over 12 billion NOK of business and Nammo and Simrad have 1 billion and 6 billion of business respectively

the Gripen NG will be worth alot of money to norway , so they would be rather silly not to take this opportunity and run with it - 100% offsets is worth massive money.

[edit on 28/4/08 by Harlequin]

Originally posted by Harlequin
hmmmm do either US offering have AESA and IRST yet? i know the USN hornets have got a contract last year to develop one but they are not in use as yet (or even built afaik)
[edit on 28/4/08 by Harlequin]

Are you referring to the F-16 and Super Hornet? If so then yes both have an AESA option and there are currently a significant number of both types with operational AESA radars in service.

reply to post by WestPoint23


i just meant IRST and not aesa , we both know the us has the most varied types of aesa sets in teh world to date

Originally posted by Harlequin
Thales norway have a 2 billion NOK business arrangement that could potentially be worth alot more if further sales go ahead , KDA have over 12 billion NOK of business and Nammo and Simrad have 1 billion and 6 billion of business respectively

the Gripen NG will be worth alot of money to norway , so they would be rather silly not to take this opportunity and run with it - 100% offsets is worth massive money.

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Sweden is a neutral country in case of a war, but that doesn't stop anybody who attacks Norway attacking them as well.
In a war that means no more spare parts.

Due to the Norwegian/American mutual business arrangement concerning the F16 and the upgraded F16
Norsk sensor teknikk alone have a deal with Boeing worth 9 billions for sensors for the B777.

Then we have Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk/Nato, Pivco/Ford, Norwegian Aluminium/GM (millitary and civilian),
and many many more.

Add that the F35 is brand new technology and Gripen a upgrade of old stuff, and the picture changes.

The issue as norway have said is one of cost - the real world cost of the F35 is rising which makes the gripen far more attractive to them

This sounds horrible, and is highly unsubstanciated.... but I hope India never gets the Gripen NG. It would be nice if aircraft like this would stay from the Region they're developed. Heh....

Anyone agree?

Originally posted by SickSoul
Due to the Norwegian/American mutual business arrangement concerning the F16 and the upgraded F16
Norsk sensor teknikk alone have a deal with Boeing worth 9 billions for sensors for the B777.

Could you explain this a bit more please?


Also, bear in mind Lockheed are the main contractor for the F-35, not Boeing (while they do make some parts, I do not imagine them putting civilian contracts at risk over it).


The gripen also has an American engine.

Then we have Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk/Nato, Pivco/Ford, Norwegian Aluminium/GM (millitary and civilian),
and many many more.

Irrelevant.

reply to post by SickSoul

Sweden is a neutral country in case of a war, but that doesn't stop anybody who attacks Norway attacking them as well.
In a war that means no more spare parts.

after more in depth reading there is a ToT (transfer of technology) in detail , allowing spare parts for maintain operations to be manufactured locally.

Originally posted by SickSoul
Sweden is a neutral country in case of a war, but that doesn't stop anybody who attacks Norway attacking them as well.
In a war that means no more spare parts.

That could be a scenario for any country that manufactures aircraft - however, you have to look at the likelihood of a nation getting in a war and at present I don't see any potential war on the horizon for scandinavia...

The Grippen's a good aircraft, and the tech transfer offering they have made has certainly made Saab a serious player, I don't think they'll win the competition, but they are serious.

reply to post by C0bzz


No, I don't get it.
Why does it matter? India has money and SAAB has planes.

What's with the loadouts of Pythons & Derby's, is that specifically for the Indian offer? Or is that a South African loadout?

And what exactly are the upgrades the Gripen NG gets anyway, are they only avionics upgrades, or does it get the F414 engine too?

reply to post by xmotex


It's like making a replica Spitfire, painting Nazi simbols all over it and pretending it's an FW-190.

National pride type thing I guess.

engine: F414G based upon the current SH F414-GE-400 engine , with 22,000lb thrust

cockpit : Gripen's new avionics suite will include an AESA radar - supplied by Thales; Other avionics include flight management computers, switching and data transfer units, video processors, head-up display and cockpit displays all to be delivered by Rockwell Collins.

undercarraige has been moved to a slightly different position allowing increased stores carriage

edit:

www.flightglobal.com...

some more details there

[edit on 1/5/08 by Harlequin]

Slightly off topic, but related closely enough that I don't see the point in a new thread: Does any know what the state of the Swiss RFP for F-5 replacement is?
I know that Boeing withdrew an offer. The Typhoon seems unlikely. Is it between Rafale and Gripen now? This seems to be a perfect customer for SAAB to add.

given some of the price coments about rafale made with the failed morrocco deal - i think tbh saab are the only realistic option