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SAAB offer Gripen NG to norway , india

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posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 05:50 AM
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www.gripen.com...

^^

Saab have offered 48 Gripen NG as the requirement for Norways F16 replacement and FCA (future combat aircraft) this would be instead of the F35 , and being honest bang for buck its the best option for them (and swiss fighters as well)

www.cnbc.com...

^^ Saab have formally tendered the Gripen NG for the MMRCA competition within India for 126 aircraft , incompetition to the Boeing F/A18 offered on friday

EADS throws the typhoon into the mix later on today/ early tommorrow as well


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www.defense-aerospace.com...

VV picture of the proposed aircraft carrying

In its multirole configuration, Gripen IN can be armed with 2 Python V missiles on Station 1 (L&R), four Derby BVR missiles Stations 2 (L&R) on twin launchers, four GBU-12 LGBs on Twin Store Carriers fitted to Stations 5 (L&R), plus 2x 300 US gallon Fuel Drop tanks on Station 3 (L&R). Station 4 is fitted with Laser Designator Pod, and Station 5 is empty.

taken from

www.defense-aerospace.com...

hmmmm do either US offering have IRST yet? i know the USN hornets have got a contract last year to develop one but they are not in use as yet (or even built afaik)


[edit on 28/4/08 by Harlequin]




posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 07:34 AM
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The Swedish offer also includes a broad spectrum of Swedish cooperation with Norwegian industries all over Norway, exceeding 100 percent of the Gripen order value.

This will be interesting where this goes??
I think the NG will turn out to be a great plane.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 08:09 AM
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As i mentioned earlier in the year Norway signed an industrial co-operaton agreement with saab last year - and are allready benefiting from it , whereas the money sink called the F35 , they have spent $$$millions on for effectively nothing - i really think Norway AND denmark will buy into the Gripen NG;


as for India? who know - the Mig Gripen and F16 are what they are looking for really - the others , although nice are treading on the MKI toes.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 08:12 AM
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Well the airforce prefer F35 from a operational point of view, however

Gripen is a perfect choice for the socialists when Norway is to pull out of

NATO.

The goverment dont want to buy anything made in America these days.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 08:45 AM
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Who are willing to analysis will Norway wait F-35?



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 09:55 AM
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might be `perfect` but cost is the main factor - and given the choice of 24 F35`s or 48 gripen for the same money - numbers will win



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 10:32 AM
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Thales norway have a 2 billion NOK business arrangement that could potentially be worth alot more if further sales go ahead , KDA have over 12 billion NOK of business and Nammo and Simrad have 1 billion and 6 billion of business respectively

the Gripen NG will be worth alot of money to norway , so they would be rather silly not to take this opportunity and run with it - 100% offsets is worth massive money.

[edit on 28/4/08 by Harlequin]



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by Harlequin
hmmmm do either US offering have AESA and IRST yet? i know the USN hornets have got a contract last year to develop one but they are not in use as yet (or even built afaik)
[edit on 28/4/08 by Harlequin]


Are you referring to the F-16 and Super Hornet? If so then yes both have an AESA option and there are currently a significant number of both types with operational AESA radars in service.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 01:26 PM
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i just meant IRST and not aesa , we both know the us has the most varied types of aesa sets in teh world to date



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Harlequin
Thales norway have a 2 billion NOK business arrangement that could potentially be worth alot more if further sales go ahead , KDA have over 12 billion NOK of business and Nammo and Simrad have 1 billion and 6 billion of business respectively

the Gripen NG will be worth alot of money to norway , so they would be rather silly not to take this opportunity and run with it - 100% offsets is worth massive money.

[edit on 28/4/08 by Harlequin]


Sweden is a neutral country in case of a war, but that doesn't stop anybody who attacks Norway attacking them as well.
In a war that means no more spare parts.

Due to the Norwegian/American mutual business arrangement concerning the F16 and the upgraded F16
Norsk sensor teknikk alone have a deal with Boeing worth 9 billions for sensors for the B777.

Then we have Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk/Nato, Pivco/Ford, Norwegian Aluminium/GM (millitary and civilian),
and many many more.

Add that the F35 is brand new technology and Gripen a upgrade of old stuff, and the picture changes.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 02:22 PM
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The issue as norway have said is one of cost - the real world cost of the F35 is rising which makes the gripen far more attractive to them



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 05:54 AM
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This sounds horrible, and is highly unsubstanciated.... but I hope India never gets the Gripen NG. It would be nice if aircraft like this would stay from the Region they're developed. Heh....

Anyone agree?



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by SickSoul
Due to the Norwegian/American mutual business arrangement concerning the F16 and the upgraded F16
Norsk sensor teknikk alone have a deal with Boeing worth 9 billions for sensors for the B777.


Could you explain this a bit more please?


Also, bear in mind Lockheed are the main contractor for the F-35, not Boeing (while they do make some parts, I do not imagine them putting civilian contracts at risk over it).


The gripen also has an American engine.



Then we have Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk/Nato, Pivco/Ford, Norwegian Aluminium/GM (millitary and civilian),
and many many more.



Irrelevant.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 01:26 AM
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Sweden is a neutral country in case of a war, but that doesn't stop anybody who attacks Norway attacking them as well.
In a war that means no more spare parts.


after more in depth reading there is a ToT (transfer of technology) in detail , allowing spare parts for maintain operations to be manufactured locally.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by SickSoul
Sweden is a neutral country in case of a war, but that doesn't stop anybody who attacks Norway attacking them as well.
In a war that means no more spare parts.

That could be a scenario for any country that manufactures aircraft - however, you have to look at the likelihood of a nation getting in a war and at present I don't see any potential war on the horizon for scandinavia...

The Grippen's a good aircraft, and the tech transfer offering they have made has certainly made Saab a serious player, I don't think they'll win the competition, but they are serious.



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 03:17 PM
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No, I don't get it.
Why does it matter? India has money and SAAB has planes.

What's with the loadouts of Pythons & Derby's, is that specifically for the Indian offer? Or is that a South African loadout?

And what exactly are the upgrades the Gripen NG gets anyway, are they only avionics upgrades, or does it get the F414 engine too?



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 01:10 AM
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It's like making a replica Spitfire, painting Nazi simbols all over it and pretending it's an FW-190.

National pride type thing I guess.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 01:53 AM
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engine: F414G based upon the current SH F414-GE-400 engine , with 22,000lb thrust

cockpit : Gripen's new avionics suite will include an AESA radar - supplied by Thales; Other avionics include flight management computers, switching and data transfer units, video processors, head-up display and cockpit displays all to be delivered by Rockwell Collins.

undercarraige has been moved to a slightly different position allowing increased stores carriage

edit:

www.flightglobal.com...

some more details there

[edit on 1/5/08 by Harlequin]



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 02:00 AM
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Slightly off topic, but related closely enough that I don't see the point in a new thread: Does any know what the state of the Swiss RFP for F-5 replacement is?
I know that Boeing withdrew an offer. The Typhoon seems unlikely. Is it between Rafale and Gripen now? This seems to be a perfect customer for SAAB to add.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 03:33 AM
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given some of the price coments about rafale made with the failed morrocco deal - i think tbh saab are the only realistic option



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