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Originally posted by JoshNorton
If you're saying 32° Masons can't quote Pike because they're not 33°, then you automatically have to extend that to prohibiting non-Masons from quoting Pike on the same grounds.
And I'm fine with that. Pike's not that special. He wrote some stuff ~150 years ago that's not that relevant to Masonry today.
Originally posted by OSSkyWatcher
i'm sorry but could all of the 33 degree masons here on ATS please identify yourselves before you talk about masonry, because the OP posted information from a 33rd degree mason, and everything i have read says that 32 and 33 aren't the same thing in masonry, so maybe you learn a few things once you hit 33
Originally posted by Road Warrior 31
we all know that J.W.Bush is a skull and bones but
was his father a freemason or not..?
Originally posted by wayno
with due respect, I must correct (to no avail, I know already) all of you who state that it is a "fact" that homosexuality is a "sin".
"Sin" is a religious term. It therefore belongs in the realm of opinion, dogma, belief; etc. but not fact.
One religion may or may not concur with another's notion of sin or right and wrong. People who aren't religious surely are not beholden to the opinions of those who are.
Your arguments about sin are erroneous, meaningless, and pointless. You are free to hold your views, but they bear no weight outside your circle of "believers", and certainly are anything but facts.
now, back to the mudslinging and paranoia - oh yah, the Masons ...
so then, is it a "fact" that homosexuality is something someone is "born" with? Is that your contention? Because you will need real "facts" to back that up. Good luck in finding that from "credible" science - that is, the ones without an 'agenda'.
Originally posted by cutbothways
In my opinion, the problem with homosexuality is regeneration.
If you are a man, and are a homosexual, you have no chance
of continuing your bloodline.
Once you are dead, if you have no children, you cease to exist, even by bloodline.
And this, I believe, is the reason for the 'push' of accepting homosexuality.
I was under the impression that all of the degrees had been rewritten within the last 10 or 20 years or so by the SR education committee... and it's probably been about that long since they stopped giving out Morals & Dogma and substituted it with A Bridge to Light? Not to discount the work he did, but even the white caps that teach the classes admit there's more accessible and understandable material now days.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
I must disagree with this. Pike is profoundly relevant in the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction of the USA.
Bill Schnoebelen exposes the truth behind the secret club known as Freemasonry. A large percentage of Masons are kept in the dark on purpose so the real agenda can be carried out. Bill exposes the intentions behind the images put forth by the Masons and Shriners.
Google Video Link
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Originally posted by JoshNorton
I was under the impression that all of the degrees had been rewritten within the last 10 or 20 years or so by the SR education committee
and it's probably been about that long since they stopped giving out Morals & Dogma and substituted it with A Bridge to Light?
Not to discount the work he did, but even the white caps that teach the classes admit there's more accessible and understandable material now days.
Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
Its so stupid of the usual Mason posters to say this or that doesnt happen.
It's a fact that there are some gay Masons. It's a fact that some of these gay Masons might want to hang out with, or otherwise communicate with other gay Masons. It's a fact that some gays are afraid they might not be allowed to become Masons because they are gay. It's a fact that tolerance towards gays in the lodge has been very slow in coming around, as the acceptance of blacks and other racial or religious groups. Sad fact: there's intolerence everywhere, if you look for it. Hopefully things are getting better.
Don, I've mentioned before, on a few occasions, that there are gays in my lodge. Blacks too. And Jews, and Muslims; we even let a few Scotsmen in. I fail to see a problem with that. But it doesn't go very far to show Masonry as a whole pushing a gay agenda. It only shows that Masons believe in equality of men, regardless of their backgrounds, religion, social status, or sexual orientation because Masonry itself is about none of those things.
I challenge all Masons here to disclose if they have gay, cross dressers, street queens and what ever in their lodge. And if you dont, why not!
I double dog dare you!