Oh yeah and speaking of which, I heard on the JFK II documentary and a few other places that the Skull and Bones initiation involves laying in a coffin and being masturbated onto by accepted members (no pun intended, but hilarious nonetheless).

In my opinion and speculation, some major political figures have been coerced into performing homosexual acts which are being used as collateral in case they ever decide to abandon their allegiance. The blackmailers keep some sort of record, probably a video taping of the act and use it to blackmail these people who go on to become world leaders. is used it is for reason of blackmail. Keep in mind these are devout Christian family men with orthodox 'beliefs' and 'family values'. If you have the power to destroy a person's life you essentially have power over any and all of their actions.

[edit on 14-10-2008 by freakyty]

Here we see that in Freemasonry, both aspects of masculine and feminine are embodied within the Goat God or Baphomet. This does not create a clear link to homosexuality and Freemasonry, however, it supports the argument that such behavior may be tolerated and not out of the norms of various lodges. The local lodge is called the "Blue Lodge." different lodges may have different norms and there is also a hierarchy from state to state on what is allowed. For instance, in certain states, women are permitted to join lodges.

While these things are not permitted as rituals in the Temple, it does not mean that members may not take it upon themselves to participate in such mockery. I detest the debasement of innocence and how absolute power tries to hide behind religion and Fellowcraft. Such power should be outed. It is the duty of every Mason to correct the problem themselves if they are unwilling to stop it by letting the light shine on the dark thing. Most become Freemasons to be better people. Those that misuse it are worthy of...

As others will tell you, there is good and bad in every organization. No organization is inherently evil. Every organization is subject to graft, but few will admit the folly when it occurs because of oaths and allegiance. Many use the Craft to their aim of gaining power and hiding their deeds which are unseemly. I think that this is wrong and gives the Brotherhood a bad name.

In an earlier post, I did not mean to sound dismissal with regards to Freemasonry, when I mentioned the duality of Baphomet. It is just that there is a philosophy which postulates that such differences may not be as black and white as the uninitiated suppose. I know that there are Brothers here. It is incumbent upon the initiated to own up to misdeeds of those unworthy and maintain the oath to support democracy and society that was taken early on in the journey.


Liber Capricornus, The Symbolism of the Goat
by Eugene W. Plawiuk, Master Mason

Presented to Norwood Lodge No.90 A.F.& A.M. G.R.A.
September 3 1991 C.E.

"The androgenous symbolism of the horn of plenty is typical of the symbolism of the goat in general. While the Greek Goat Gods Pan and Dionysius were male, we look at the goat as an animal in masculine terms while it is both male and female. The identification of the the male goat in by his beard, since both genders have horns. The phrase " by my beard, or " he pulled my beard " as well as the style of beard called a 'goatee' all relate to the goat.

The goat-Gods Pan and Dionysius in Greek mythology represent the forest and unbridled nature; lust in the case of Pan and Drinking, and fertility in the case of Dionysius. Hence from the OED we have the term for a lecherous older man; "you old Goat". Pan is represented as being half human, half goat with horns, and would later be used in medieval times to represent the devil.



The Goat of Mendes or Baphomet whom the Templars were accused of worshipping is a Goat Headed deity, being formed of both male and female principles, with a Caduceus of Mercury for its phallus. One arm points up and one down , with the latin ' Solve et Coagula' written on them. This is not the christian devil but a symbol of the ancient alchemists representing the fact that nature and natures God is a combination and balance of male and female forces, light and darkness, moisture and dryness. The very principle of Hermes Trismegitus; As Above So Below" is what is symbolized by Baphomet."

To the OP...... you've done some research, and made some very tenuous connections. What I find is interesting is that you seem to think it's a big smear on Masonry to infer that they might have homosexual members.

Gee, you think?

What next, a furtive tie to ....... *gasp* teachers, and...... *double gasp and a sigh* doctors...... Nooooooooooooooo! and pediatricians! EEEEEK!!!

Listen, we are humans. Homosexuals will comprise a general cross-section of every demographic. It just IS. No conspiracy.

Agreed freaky, the cadillac symbol represents female fertility aswel. Same concept as the U.S military's triangle ranking system representing males.

Nobody takes the concept seriously that higher ranking Golden Dawnish Illuminati Occultists are into sodomy. Thats the worst part of it because we know there are people that can be so vile. Crowley traveled the world and did no less.

As for sex with demons, I dont think that needs to be brought up either

p.s. I was a DeMolay for two years. My Mom was an Eastern Star, my Dad a Mason. I don't recall his ranking, and not certain if either of them ever told me. At the time I joined the DeMolays, they had both been into Masonry for better than 15 years. There were no "odd" rituals, and you know what? I KNOW for a fact that had there been anything untoward, they would NEVER EITHER OF THEM have encouraged me to join the DeMolays. I left the organization to strike out on my own to parts semi-known.

I think this [thread] is a snipe hunt.

[edit on 14-10-2008 by argentus]

I generally ignore anonymous posts, but frankly, this one had a level of misconception that I went ahead and responded:

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Here we see that in Freemasonry, both aspects of masculine and feminine are embodied within the Goat God or Baphomet.

No, no actually we dont. We clearly see Baphomet has no relationship to freemasonry and never has. You see when you do the research on Baphomet you find quickly that the term applies to an accusation made against the Knights Templar, whom by the way have been exonerated from that charge and all others. Additionally, you find that the link came to freemasonry came through the Leo Taxil hoax. A HOAX. It wasn't real, the hoaxer admitted it in front of a ton of media.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
This does not create a clear link to homosexuality and Freemasonry, however, it supports the argument that such behavior may be tolerated and not out of the norms of various lodges. The local lodge is called the "Blue Lodge." different lodges may have different norms and there is also a hierarchy from state to state on what is allowed. For instance, in certain states, women are permitted to join lodges.

This is just not based in fact. No such behavior would ever be tolerated in a lodge, what people do outside the lodge is none of the lodges business - although none of the accusations of the flavor made here are likely to ever happen to begin with. Also, there is not 1 regular lodge in the world that admits women. Women, of their own accord, have started female masonry and co-masonry, but they are not recognized as regular by regular grand lodges. If we don't even recognize them as regular and have no masonic relations with them, exactly how is it were going to go about having "sex rituals" with them?

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
While these things are not permitted as rituals in the Temple, it does not mean that members may not take it upon themselves to participate in such mockery. I detest the debasement of innocence and how absolute power tries to hide behind religion and Fellowcraft. Such power should be outed. It is the duty of every Mason to correct the problem themselves if they are unwilling to stop it by letting the light shine on the dark thing. Most become Freemasons to be better people. Those that misuse it are worthy of...

The problem is that there is no problem, so there is nothing to fix. Your preaching about what should be done for a problem that was made up and is no where to be found.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
As others will tell you, there is good and bad in every organization. No organization is inherently evil. Every organization is subject to graft, but few will admit the folly when it occurs because of oaths and allegiance. Many use the Craft to their aim of gaining power and hiding their deeds which are unseemly. I think that this is wrong and gives the Brotherhood a bad name.

Of course the facts also dictate that while there is bad in every organization, there are multiple organizations that one can join that would be much more efficient to do all the evil things masons are accused of. Also, combined with the fact that there are millions of members and the few scandals that occur can be counted on 1 hand - with an organization that has exited for coming close to 300 years - means we're doing good compared to other organizations.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
In an earlier post, I did not mean to sound dismissal with regards to Freemasonry, when I mentioned the duality of Baphomet. It is just that there is a philosophy which postulates that such differences may not be as black and white as the uninitiated suppose. I know that there are Brothers here. It is incumbent upon the initiated to own up to misdeeds of those unworthy and maintain the oath to support democracy and society that was taken early on in the journey.

Lovely, except Baphomet has nothing to do with freemasonry. Never has been, never will be. As such, there is no problem with it, and nothing to "own up" to.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Liber Capricornus, The Symbolism of the Goat
by Eugene W. Plawiuk, Master Mason

Yet again, we have people selectively quoting from masons. Yet again, I must remind you that no 1 person speaks for freemasonry or has authority over its dogma. And to begin with, if you looked at what you quoted, it does not at ALL say anything that backs up what you've said. Its a paper about where the term Baphomet comes from - and surprise - its not freemasonry and never has been. Someone wrote it because of people like you, who continue to make this false connection despite all evidence to the contrary.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Would you defer to the statements and writings of Manely P Hall? Could you explain the role of "Lucifer" in the gnosticism of the Freemasons? is this Venus?

Hall is often quoted by those who have done no research into masonry. The books with the "seething energies of lucifer" are written by Hall before he was ever a mason. He became a mason only later in life, after those things were already published - at the time he couldn't possibly have known what he was talking about.

Also, one thing your just going to need to accept is that no one speaks for freemasonry. Any mason can write any thing he wants, and it doesn't make it true. However, people only focus on those masons who write things that make for good anti-masonic quotes.

There is no Lucifer, or gnosticism in freemasonry. Never has been.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Is it true that Freemasons have special words that they can say in court that can get them off the hook? Could high level criminals and child molesters use special privileges given to Freemasons to get themselves off the hook from prosecution?

No, its not true that there are any words freemasons can say in court to get them off the hook. Its a urban legend, it's never happened. No one is getting out of their criminal charges due to being a mason. In fact, masonic judges are more likely to treat masons with harsher penalties and be even more severe with them because they broke their obligations.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
What's more important to a Freemason, justice for a non-Mason or preserving the name of Freemasonry?

Clearly, justice for a non-mason. It is not a masonic duty to "preserve the name of Freemasonry." Additionally, it should occur to you that the actions of 1 man do not have any impact on the name of freemasonry.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Is it true that in war Masons are safe from their enemy if their enemy recognizes then as a fellow Mason through signs of fellowship, (widow's son)? If their enemy saves them, then who really are they loyal to first, their country or the Great Work?

No, its not true. There are urban legends about this, which could have some basis in reality. However, it has nothing to do with the way you phrased it. In practice it would sort of be like how in World War II both sides would pause during Christmas and cross battle lines. Being loyal to your country FIRST is a masonic obligation.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS Could the few incidences of of Freemason scandals be more a function of control through influence of the media, criminal justice system and other control functions within society? Thank you for your anticipated response to that which you not bound by oath to conceal.

The few instances of scandal that occur are are due to the actions of individuals and not organized freemasonry. They are people acting on their own for bad purposes. However, given the little power and authority freemasonry really has these scandals are extremely rare. When they do occur, they get hyped up because the press loves to have a field day with us since they still think we're a "secret society."

Finally, there is almost nothing I could not reveal to you. The things I have sworn to keep secret are signs words and grips...which you could find in 5 minutes actually. I just don't tell you them because I said I wouldn't.

However, your welcome

id say all these are "ex post facto!" they condemn before they hear. why wont any of them try to get in and see if there's any truth in what they profess?

My first inclination upon reading this thread was to offer comments that would show the OP and the readers the blatant ignorance of this topic. I have however decided to take a different route regarding this post.

I will suffer greatly for what I am about to reveal. I will loose my place in our organization and possibly even my life. There is a chance I may have to go into the HPP (homo protection program) because of what I am about to disclose to all of you.

There is in fact a gay agenda. We have been working behind the scenes of your civilization since the very start. Militarily some of your greatest icons were in fact our operatives establishing our dominion over this world. Alexander The Great was in fact one of us! So were the emperors of Rome, China, Japan, and more! We have been laying the groundwork for our militaristic takeover since the inception of warfare! Every empire that has risen and fallen has been but a domino placed by us to gain ultimate control over this world.

We have dominated the artistic mediums since the days of cave men and will continue to do so until our fiendish goal is met. By controlling your art we control your medium of expression and insure that all that is art compels you to surrender yourselves to us!

We are the tailors of humanity. From loin clothes to today's business clothes we have insured that every human on this planet wears clothing designed by us. If I gave away the secret of why we do this I would surely be put to death so I must leave this at a vague insinuation.

We control your governments. We regulate taxes, control parliamentary procedures, and even hide some of our top operatives in positions of ultimate power within major world governments. This way when the final implementation takes place your own governments won't be powerless to help but unwilling to do so!

Every incident of homosexuals suffering violence, beatings, and death by heterosexuals have all been false flag operations perpetrated by us to give you a false sense of security. I can assure you that no one homosexual can come to harm on this world, we have orbiting satellites that will zap any would be attackers with a "lesbianic beam" turning them instantly into flannel shirts and six packs of canned beer.

We control the airline industry. We always have an operative on any airliner in the sky. How else would we insure our chemtrail generation devices were always fueled and functional?

I must clarify that we do not rape or harm children. For a child to be raped by an adult of the same sex would surely cement their heterosexuality in their brains and to accuse us of doing so is insane. Why would we undo several thousands of years of work just for that. We do recruit from outside our own ranks but not by forcing sex upon children. We use additives in baby formula and children's media outlets for that sort of activity. And yes, we do get rewards for doing so; I am actually due for a toaster oven soon for my last convert that I convinced to make the same choice as all of us and turn gay.

Do not fear us people of this world. We have always been here and will always be here. We have plucked the puppet strings of civilization for thousands and thousands of years. Soon our time to do away with the puppets and seize the reins of power for ourselves will be at hand! This was predicted by the ancient Maya as the 2012 prophecy. What many of you need to know is the Mayan were the originators of our great conspiracy so their timeline does not denote the end of the world, just the homosexuals taking control once and for all. This is beyond dispute that they were homosexuals being that they all died out. Obviously this could only have happened if the population were entirely gay.

Do not loose heart. Soon the transition shall come. It will be a peaceful one as long as the breeding stock (as we call you) does not resist.