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Originally posted by Shar
OK, what you got Is the water is the Father, the blood is Jesus and the spirit is the Holy Ghost. This is why you have verse 7 telling you these 3 are one. Again, you have to remember translations of the modern time. But, this is what that is saying.
Try and read it as a whole. And don‘t knock something till you try it. For those of us who are saved we have the testimony of the change in our lives and the blessings we then receive and the feeling. Oh don‘t think you can‘t feel a change or feel God because let me tell you. You can..
Originally posted by Shar
Again let me say that I said they are all 3 different. I don't know how other christains are. But I myself believe in The Father (God) Jesus His Son and the Holy Spirit. I didn't say they were in the same body. I said I believe in them and they think alike feel the same.
Originally posted by Alexander1111
A slightly different interpretation than that of the Bible is presented in the Urantia book. According to the book the Paradise Deity is threefold in nature consisting of the Universal Father, The Eternal Son (not the same as Jesus) and the Conjoint Actor or Infinite Spirit (not to be confused with the Holy Spirit). As the book states, the Trinity facilitates the Father's escape from personality absolutism being from His nature an eternal and uncaused reality.
You might wonder what is Jesus and the Holy Spirit according to the book since they are not part of the Paradise Deity. Jesus belongs to a group of beings which originate from the Father and the Eternal Son while the Holy Spirit belongs to another group of beings which originate from the Infinite Spirit. Together the Holy Spirit or Divine Minister, as the book refers to it, and the Michael Son, the order of beings where Jesus belongs to, are responsible for the creation, development and care of a local universe, part of the cosmos.
Here is the link with the whole chapter regarding Paradise Trinity:
Paper 10: The Paradise Trinity
010:00.02 Paradise Trinity 1 John 5:7 (Compare) "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
010:00.02 Paradise Trinity 2 Corinthians 13:14 (Compare) "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
010:00.02 Paradise Trinity Acts 2:32-33 (Compare) "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."
010:00.02 Paradise Trinity Matthew 28:19 (Same) "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
010:00.02 Trinity (Paul's early view) 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 (Compare) "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all."
The Council was convened in order to stop the discussion of the nature of God, among the common people.
The priesthood decided it was demeaning to God to have the subject discussed by people who were not authorized theologians.
Originally posted by MatrixProphet
It's hard to comprehend and probably impossible to put in words.
Yet, one of the biggest reasons why Jesus came to earth was to help mankind to love and understand his father.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by JesusisTruth
John 1, if you actually read it is talking about the person it is based on and named after, John the Baptist.
Sorry to ruin all your fun, but the first verses are talking about the spirit of prophesy that made the Baptist, the second coming, so to speak, of Elijah, to proclaim the coming of the Messiah and the Kingdom of God and the overthrow of the old system.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
I said orthodox, meaning the term used after the Council of Nicia.
It was specifically used to differentiate between the followers of Arius and the followers of Athenasius.
We were given the Athenasian Creed as a product of the Council.
We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God], Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made [both in heaven and on earth]; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man; he suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven; and sitteth on the right hand of the Father;
from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
And in the Holy Ghost.
[But those who say: 'There was a time when he was not;' and 'He was not before he was made;' and 'He was made out of nothing,' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable' — they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.]
So pervasive and all-inclusive as to exist in or affect the whole world.
Synonyms: cosmic, cosmopolitan, ecumenical, global, pandemic, planetary, worldwide,