beware the Bormann conspiracy … Organization Der Ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen ... now called 2012, f, page 1

beware the Bormann conspiracy … Organization Der Ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen ... now called 2012, formerly called Odessa & World Order & NWO

I'm tired of being dumbed down, financially broke, in debt and hungry.

(Some of this info appears in my long thread www.abovetopsecret.com...)

There are opposing views:
(1) Hitler did not die, but escaped
M57: The Flight of the Wolf: The Escape of Adolf Hitler
Dave Emory describes his radio show: miscsummary.blogspot.com... :

Documents Adolf Hitler's escape from Germany at the end of World War II, using information contained in previously classified U.S. intelligence archives, accessed by a London Times journalist and discussed in a military history quarterly. The story was revealed to U.S. intelligence operatives during their debriefing of former Gestapo chief Heinrich Mueller, prior to his going to work for U.S. intelligence in an anti-communist capacity. Confident that his situation with his U.S. sponsors was secure, Mueller disclosed that Hitler escaped to Spain after the war and that his place in the bunker (and the grave) was taken by a double, a distant blood relative of the Fuehrer. Mueller's alleged death at the war's end has also been effectively debunked.

Here are descriptions of hundreds of hours of broadcasts, all neatly summarized. For example, three of the first ten deal with mind control, cults & abductions. Scroll down past the beginning to blow your mind www.spitfirelist.com... AND HERE www.spitfirelist.com...

(2) Bormann succeeded Hitler (along with Gehlen and von Bolschwing) and managed Odessa and about 175 billion dollars (in 1944) dollars he invested in 750 dummy & real corporations that comprised the WO and NWO and are behind 2012. (The rest of this post introduces the background leading up to 2012.

(3) The City of London’s Bank of England & Fed & Bundesbank etc are currently engaged in economic warfare forcing high food & gas prices, mass starvation & genocide.

There are several types of warfare currently monitored by intelligence agencies:
1-Conventional, armed conflict
2-Covert action
3-Terrorism
4-Unconventional warfare: biological (germ) & chemical, genetic, electronic, nuclear, radiological, weather warfare
5-Propaganda, mind control, information (media) warfare, disinformation
6-Economic warfare.

I am concerned making people aware that the threat of 2012 is trace-able directly to the Bank-of-England/Fed/Bundesbank/etc. interlocking corporate directorate that funds al Qaeda and all the other para-military terrorist operatives, owns all the banks, own all the oil companies, raises food prices, poisons food and wants to eliminate 90% of humanity -- and also funded the Nazis, Russians, Americans, British, Arabs, Israeli's Vietcong and so forth to bring about 2012.

<> Operation rat line part 1 www.youtube.com...


I don’t care about the historical workings of the Nazi Party unless it affects today. I researched the subsequent neo-Nazi genocides in eastern Europe in the 1990s and the current neo-Nazi/al Qaeda genocides in Africa and Eurasia. I am only too aware of ongoing Nazi activity from 1923 to 2012. I’m not too concerned with who said what. Or when. Nothing personal … just not my thing.

Here are some historical movies about the effects of Odessa, and some radio broadcasts, and some references to books. Odessa was managed by Martin Bormann, who also managed 175 billion dollars in Nazi war loot and founded 750 dummy companies to hide the money in after WWII … those companies now dominate the technology and business of the world and arrange all the major warfare and genocide – in a successful bid to keep the people down …dumbed down, financially broke, in debt, and hungry.

<> Operation rat line part 2 www.youtube.com...


This whole Nazi investigation stuff leaves me cold and who said what simply doesn’t matter to me in terms of being an activist TODAY in identifying and holding responsible those money-issuing families currently waging 2012 against us, which is the Bank-of-England/Fed/Bundesbank/etc. interlocking corporate directorate in my effort -- and yours -- to stop 2012.

<> Operation rat line part 3 www.youtube.com...


I’ve provided this radio broadcast urls because they’re free and you don’t have to buy – or read -- the books that contain the declassified info. Just sit back with a beer and listen, it’s easier than reading. Plus, you have the benefit of the radio host who’s already studied everything, organizing it for you … and …reading it to you.
First, here’s a few 1-2 min videos of Emory speaking. Be patient, he has over 600-1,000 broadcasts. Don’t expect to learn everything in one or two sittings: ftrsummary.blogspot.com...
Here’s his broadcasts, that can be downloaded (see FTRs, below) wfmu.org...

For those without Loftus' books, The Secret War Against the Jews; and, The Unholy Trinity, here’s a sample of what Loftus is about ...
<> US energy companies were secretly negotiating with the Taliban <>
Here’s John Loftus’s website www.john-loftus.com... It always has a bunch of recently declassified documents, for example, stuff like this, too

A captured Al Qaida document reveals that US energy companies were secretly negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline. The document was obtained by the FBI but was not allowed to be shared with other agencies in order to protect Enron. Multiple sources confirm that American law enforcement agencies were deliberately kept in the dark and systematically prevented from connecting the dots before 9/11 in order to aid Enron’s secret and immoral Taliban negotiations.

[edit on 22-4-2008 by counterterrorist]

Here's some of Dave Emory's free radio interviews of John:
<> FTR-145 (note: I've been unable to locate FTR-145 dated 3/21/99)wfmu.org... Paul Manning's Correspondence with Other Journalists 3/21/99
According to Emory:

Anticipating the defeat of the Third Reich, Reichsleiter Martin Bormann set up 750 corporations in neutral countries, primed as vehicles to receive the liquid wealth of Germany.

According to Emory, these corporations in effect constitute the NWO. I might add, under the umbrella of the City of London Bankers that direct the Bank of England and own & direct the Fed, Bundesbank, etc.

Nazi money trail heats up after 50 years.
<> FTR-305 Description - www.spitfirelist.com... Radio program – [url=] wfmu.org... The Bormann Organization June 1997. According to Emory,

The broadcast begins with discussion of the resumption of long-dormant investigations of the Nazi money trail created as the Third Reich siphoned off its wealth, in an effort to politically survive the inevitability of military defeat. ("Nazi Money Trail Heats Up after 50 Years" by Greg Steinmetz; Wall Street Journal; 4/28/97; p. A1.)

<> FTR-332 www.spitfirelist.com... Radio program – wfmu.org... “B” as in Bush, “B” as in Bormann, “B” as in Von Bolschwing 10/21/2001
According to Emory,

Otto von Bolschwing, one of the principal officers in administering Hitler’s liquidation of the Jews. (For more about Von Bolschwing, see RFA#’s 3, 30, as well as FTR#’s 180, 216, 221, 222.) In addition to his own significance, Von Bolschwing is noteworthy because Helene van Damm (a protégé of Von Bolschwing’s) selected the lists of personnel from which Ronald Reagan’s cabinet appointments were made. It is Mr. Emory’s conviction that the Reagan administrations (and the administrations of both Georges Bush) are fronts for the “Underground Reich” and the remarkable and deadly Bormann organization

Here’s Loftus on radio for you to listen to:
<> FTR-618 Radio program –
wfmu.org...
Veterans' Day Interview with John Loftus 11/11/07 According to Dave E.

Program Highlights Include: Discussion of John’s new online radio program; Richard Nixon’s participation in the Crusade For Freedom; Ronald Reagan’s participation in the Crusade For Freedom; William Casey’s participation in the Crusade For Freedom; the elder George Bush’s involvement with the Crusade For Freedom milieu and his installation of the Nazis as a permanent part of the Republican Party; the links of GOP lobbyist Grover Norquist to the terrorist funding apparatus busted on 3/20/2002; Karl Rove’s links to the same terror-funding milieu.

Here’s an example of the kind of folks Odessa smuggled out of Europe via the Vatican into South America -- Hundal was a bishop helped Rauff escape. Who was Rauff? According to
www.telusplanet.net...

Walter Rauff , perfected the mobile gas van that is used in the death of 100,000 peoples, mostly eastern European women and children. Walter Rauff was a friend of Bishop Hudal in 1943. Monsignor Don Giuseppe Bicchierai would shelter Rauff in the convents of the Holy See.

Rauff is a subject of this video: Confronting Nazi legacy in Argentia
www.youtube.com...
http: //www. Youtube .com /watch?v=taGuLzH_9Jc






[edit on 21-4-2008 by counterterrorist]

[edit on 21-4-2008 by counterterrorist]

THE SECRET AMBER ROOM
<> San Jose Mercury News, 4/28/2000, FTR#234 www.spitfirelist.com...www.spitfirelist.com... " target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">details a young German’s accidental and terrifying encounter with the Bormann outfit. Emory

1. As part of a growing rapprochement with Russia, Germany recently returned pieces of a priceless work of art known as the Amber Room. (San Jose Mercury News, 4/28/2000, p. 22A) Presented by Prussian King Frederick William to Czar Peter the Great, the Amber Room was plundered by German troops during World War II and subsequently disappeared. Considered priceless, the amber sculptures have been the object of a decades-long search by art experts, the KGB and what Mr. Emory calls “the Underground Reich.” (See FTR#180.) This broadcast sets forth an account of the Bormann group's search for the Amber Room, set forth by Frank Brandenburg, a young German who infiltrated the Underground Reich elements in Germany. (Quest: Searching for the Truth of Germany's Nazi Past, Ib Melchior and Frank Brandenburg, Presidio Press, copyright 1990, ISBN 0-89141-397-9.) (For more on the Bormann group, the economic component of a Third Reich gone underground, see also: FTR# 's 87, 90, 99, 102, 120, 122, 123, 125, 127, 134, 145, 152, 155, 158, 177, 179, 180, 187, 189, 193, 194, 195, 215, 216, 218, 219, 224, 226, 232, 233.)

Here’s some more of Emory interviewing Loftus you might find interesting.

According to Loftus,

There are twenty vaults underground and each vault is one acre in size.

FTR-473 scroll down a page or so… [url=] www.spitfirelist.com... John Loftus on the Arab-Nazi-Al Qaeda Network 8/22/04 Emory interviews Loftus

When I was working for the Attorney General, I was assigned to do the classified research about the Holocaust, so I went underground to a little town called Suitland, Maryland, right outside Washington, D.C. and that's where the US Government buries its secrets-literally. There are twenty vaults underground and each vault is one acre in size. Anyone see the movie 'Raiders of the Lost Ark'? The last scene of that movie is what the underground vaults are really like,

FTR-406 scroll down a page or so… [url=] www.spitfirelist.com... An Interview with John Loftus 4/13/03
[ex’ ] The program begins with an account of the lawsuit that John filed against Sami Al-Arian.

program highlights follow-up to suit —the Operation Green Quest raids of 3/20/2002. As discussed in FTR#357, it was the information provided by John Loftus to federal investigators that precipitated these raids.

In this part of the program, John notes that George W. Bush is in a difficult position. If the investigation were to go as far as it might, Bush would be in the position of seeing his father indicted. (For more about Operation Green Quest, see--among other programs—FTR#’s 356, 357, 359, 366, 382, 389, 390, 395, 400, 404.)

After helping to launch the Operation Green Quest raids, John was instrumental in forging the legal coalition and providing the documentary underpinning for the lawsuit filed against powerful members of the Saudi elite on behalf of the survivors of victims of the 9/11 raids. John is the intelligence adviser to that suit. (For more about that lawsuit, see—among other programs—FTR#’s 386, 389, 390.)

Next, the program highlights the role of Enron in brokering the Caspian Sea pipeline deal across Afghanistan.


FTR-564 scroll down a page or so … www.spitfirelist.com... Interview with John Loftus – He Who Tells the Truth Gets Chased Out of Nine Villages 08/13/06
FTR-532 scroll down a page or so… spitfirelist.com... Interview with John Loftus about Unholy Trinity and Intelligence Summit 11/06/05
FTR-514 scroll down a page or so… www.spitfirelist.com... Conversation with John Loftus About the Muslim Brotherhood 06/12/05

To download the book about Bormann in PDF, go to: Manning - PDF
To download the chapters in HTML, go to: www.animalfarm.org...
To read a synopsis on Paul Manning, go to: About Paul Manning [url=] www.spitfirelist.com...]
FTR-290 The Japanese Economy and the Kido Organization (the Japanese Bormann Organization) 4/8/2001
For addition nonprofit broadcasts on college radio by Dave Emory you can Dave Emory
[url=]http://wfmu.org/playlists/DX.[url]

Spitfire offers free books online and free program summaries.
spitfirelist.com...

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
According to Simon Wiesenthal,

By 1944 it was clear that the fortunes of war had turned against Nazi Germany. Many Germans began to anticipate defeat and to plan for that eventuality. On August 10, 1944, a secret meeting of top German industrialists and bankers was held at the Maison Rouge hotel in Strasbourg to devise a means of insuring a secure future for Nazis. Among those attending were coal tycoon Emil Kirdorf, Georg von Schnitzler of IG Farben, Gustav Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach, steel magnate, Fritz Thyssen, and banker Kurt von Schroeder.

and furthermore:

The Nazis recognized that Germany's assets would fall into the hands of the rapidly approaching enemy if they were not transferred and hidden. The nation's wealth, much of it acquired through the plunder of the nations it invaded and the people the Nazis murdered, had to be transferred so they would be out of judicial reach, but accessible to fund a future movement to resurrect the party and build a new Reich. Leading Nazi officials also feared retribution from the Allies and, rather than face likely punishment for their war crimes, they decided to seek safe havens outside Germany, and beyond the reach of justice. According to the protocol from the meeting:
The party leadership is aware that, following the defeat of Germany, some of her best-known leaders may have to face trial as war criminals. Steps have therefore been taken to lodge the less prominent party leaders as "technical experts" in various German enterprises. The party is prepared to lend large sums of money to industrialists to enable every one of them to set up a secret post-war organization abroad, but as collateral it demands that the industrialists make available to it existing resources abroad, so that a strong German Reich may re-emerge after the defeat.....
The outcome of the meeting in Strasbourg was the genesis of an organization; one well-financed and well-organized, with the express purpose of helping fleeing Nazis escape justice. This organization was called the "Organization Der Ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen" "The Organization of former SS members) — better known as Odessa.

Also to document Odessa, read Christopher Simpson’s several books, including: ‘Blowback: America's recruitment of Nazis, and its disastrous effect on our domestic and foreign policy” . The term ‘blowback’ refers to intelligence operations and disinformation that become publicly discredited and are a source of embarrassment to the perpetrators – such as a pedestrian example, ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, for example. Also, Simpson’s, “The Splendid Blonde Beast: Money, Law and Genocide in the Twentieth Century”.

From Blowback:

One organization is worthy of close scrutiny. It is the prominent Catholic lay group known as Intermarium. During its heyday in the 1940s and early 1950s leading members of this organization were deeply involved in smuggling Nazi fugitives out of Eastern Europe to safety in the West. Later Intermarium also became one of the single most important sources of recruits for the CIA's exile committees. This can be said with some certainty because about a score of Intermarium leaders ended up as activists or officials in Radio Free Europe, Radio Liberation, and the Assembly of Captive European Nations (ACEN), each of which the U.S. government has since admitted as having been a CIA-financed and -controlled organization.

Factions within the church that had long been sympathetic to the Nazis' extreme anti-Communist stand organized large-scale programs to facilitate the escapes of tens of thousands of Nazis and collaborators from Germany, Austria, Croatia, Slovakia, the Ukraine, and a number of other Eastern I European states.

The pivotal role of the church in the escape of the l Nazis has been emphasized by Luftwaffe Colonel Hans Ulrich Rudel, the highly decorated German air ace who became an international spokesman for the neo-Nazi movement after the war. "One may otherwise view Catholicism as one wishes. But what the Church, especially certain towering personalities within the Church, undertook in those years [immediately after the war] to save the best of our nation, often from certain death, must never be forgotten!" Colonel Rudel exclaimed in a speech at Kufstein in 1970. "In Rome itself, the transit point of the escape routes, a vast amount was done. With its own immense resources, the Church helped many of us to go overseas. In this manner, in quiet and secrecy, the demented victors' mad craving for revenge and retribution could be effectively counteracted."

And, from Splendid Blonde Beast,

Shortly before World War I, a secretive and disciplined cabal of young Turkish military officers known as the Ittihad took power in Turkey and brought the country into an alliance with Germany. These were the original "Young Turks," and their capacity for cruelty and violence still reverberates in that phrase today.

The genocide was particularly cruel to Armenian women and girls, who became the objects of a pervasive, tacitly sanctioned campaign of rape. Turkish police encouraged gangs of thugs to prey upon the deportees as a means of humiliating and destroying these women. Meanwhile, some Armenian girls were able to escape deportation by announcing a religious conversion to Islam, and in this way some Turkish men secured Armenian concubines and house slaves.

I think the Bormann conspiracy is active today, to the tune of at perhaps several trillion dollars of fascist, neo-nazi (actually, original nazi, too) influence including today’s interlocking directorates of the Bank-of-England/Fed/Bundesbank and so on.

CITY OF LONDON
I believe that may of today’s most successful multinational corporations including the most successful banks, pharmaceutical companies, rocket and automobile manufacturers, insurance companies, and so on … were in fact made so using Odessa officers and what would be today trillions of dollars of Nazi war booty. That, as Hitler said, the international conspiracy of international investment bankers (who co-direct the Bank-of-England/Fed/Bundesbank/etc etc) NOT just Jewish but Christian, Catholic, Protestant what-have-you remain today responsible not only for funding WWI, WWII, Hitler, Communist Russia, Saudi Arabia, bin Laden and actively support Communist China in aggregating a “one-world-government-2012-catastrophe”. Hitler was a puppet just like the Bushes and the British monarchy – of the CITY OF LONDON/FED/etc – because they own the banks that own the oil and utility companies.

I would postulate the central bank of Russia, and Communist China and the Iranian Bourse and the pro-western new oil currency/central bank postulated for the islands off Saudi Arabia … and the Canada/U.S./Mexico new central bank signed-off on by G. Bush DUPLICATE the Bormann holdings, to a large extent INCLUDING the South American COCAINE syndicates founded by Nazi Klaus Barbie AND today’s HEROIN syndicates G. Bush allowed bin Laden to monopolize in Afghanistan and Pakistan as a thank you for bin Laden’s organizing the neo-Nazi, Saudi-Arabian Muhajidin (as they were named in the 80s) listed today (2008) as Al Qaeda … as they all are pursuing all the conspiracies described in the 2012 movie expose:

Once again, please read former Federal Prosecutor John Loftus (also a Nazi hunter) accounts of Odessa in ‘The Secret War Against the Jews’. Loftus is not a Jew, although he is honored by Jewish and non-Jewish organizations and American, British and German intelligence agents and counter-agents. As I recall, he extensively documents Odessa and you may use his index. Note his book in 1992 hardback and revised 1998 paperback. There is a hardback Paperback edition www.amazon.com...=reader_auth_dp [/url" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">(1998) from St. Martin's Griffin, Unholy Trinity: the Vatican, the Nazis & the Swiss Banks – and the original hardback edition (1992) Unholy Trinity: How the Vatican's Nazi Networks Betrayed Western Intelligence to the Soviets [url=] www.amazon.com...=sib_dp_pt/102-3391836-8600930#reader-link

Also, see Lou Wolf’s back-issues of Covert Action Bulletin, an intelligence watchdog & whistle-blower publication. www.covertactionquarterly.org...

Emory, Wiesenthal and Manning unmasked Odessa to the world. Bormann may well of been Hitler’s post-WWII successor in converting the World Order to the New World Order to 2012.

I can attest to the accuracy and well-meaning of Dave Emory, and also to any shortcomings. And, I can, based upon the handful of researchers in the 20th Century who dedicated themselves to the truth, and to democracy, also 100% stand behind John Loftus. I also stand behind Peter Dale Scott, Lou Wolf, Carl Oglesby, Wm. Domhoff, Sean Gervasi, Antony Kimery, Antony Sutton, Martin E. Lee, Christopher Simpson, Henrik Kruger, Kurt Riess, Michael Sayers, Albert Kahn, George Seldes, James Stewart Mills and Eustace Mullins. Google these names.

Bormann conspiracy WTC/911 links

THE SOLDIERS CHANGE BUT THE WAR REMAINS THE SAME

This is excerpted from page 6 (see page 2-of-9)of my long thread
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Bormann conspiracy WTC/911 links
According to Dave Emory spitfirelist.com...

This broadcast sets forth elements of a network that Mr. Emory believes to be a Bormann/Underground Reich network. This network was part of the apparatus involved in the execution of the 9/11 attacks. Beginning with review of the Carl Duisberg Gesellschaft and its role in bringing 9/11 hijack ringleader Mohamed Atta to Germany, the broadcast traces the evidentiary tributaries running out of that organization. In addition to a fellowship operated on behalf of the Russian Alfa conglomerate, the CDG network also encompasses the Robert Bosch Foundation Fellowship. The Alfa firm, in turn, has profound links to criminal syndicates in Asia, Russia and Latin America, as well as elements that participated in activities overlapping both the Iran-Contra and Iraqgate affairs. One of the central elements in this network is the royal family of Liechtenstein, a tiny European country that is an epicenter for money laundering. In addition to participating in a front company that was part of the Al Taqwa constellation that funded Bin Laden, the Liechtenstein royal family (in 2001) assumed the powers of absolute monarchy, just in time to interdict any legal investigations that might have gone in the direction of 9/11. The head of the political party that fronted for Prince Hans Adam’s assumption of absolute power is a powerful lawyer who works for an Alfa subsidiary! The dovetailing of powerful German capital interests apparently linked to the Bormann milieu with Russian oligarchic and criminal elements appears to be an outgrowth of traditional German “Ostpolitik.” For more about Ostpolitik, be sure to access Germany Plots with the Kremlin by T. H. Tetens, available for free downloading at: Spitfirelist.com/Books. [spitfirelist.com...]
Program Highlights Include: The German industrial figures on the board of directors of the CDS; a history of the Carl Duisberg Gesellschaft and its American subsidiary, the CDS; the Alfa Group’s links to Cheney’s Halliburton Oil company; the Alfa Group’s links to Iraqgate arms trafficking; the Alfa Group’s links to the oil-for-food scandal in Iraq; Alfa’s links to the Cali cocaine cartel of Colombia; Alfa’s links to heroin trafficking; Attorney Norbert Seeger’s role with Alfa subsidiary Crown Resources; Norbert Seeger’s role as head of the Progressive Citizens Party in Liechtenstein; links between Liechtenstein and the milieu of the CDU funding scandal; Atta’s father’s friendship with the German couple that sponsored Atta’s entry into Germany under the auspices of the Carl Duisberg Gesellschaft; review of John P. Schmitz’s links to many of the entities and personalities discussed in the program.

These five world authorities and the tops in their fields document with evidence that Bormann and Odessa are true ...

<> PREMIERE AUTHORITY ON ALL 20TH & 21ST CENTURY WO & NWO OPERATI0NS
John Loftus is one of the premiere Nazi hunters in the world. His job was to hunt them down for the U.S. Department of Justice. He is an attorney and the hundreds of intelligence agents that come to him for help to declassify documents THAT WERE USED TO BUST AL QAEDA FINANCING ORIGINATING FROM THE U.S. He is a reputable intelligence watchdog and whistleblower. His The Secret War Against The Jews is investigative journalism about double- and triple-agents ON ALL THE MAJOR WO & NWO INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS OF THE 20TH CENTURY that is documented and unrivaled in the world.

<> PREMIERE NAZI HUNTER ACKNOWLEDGED BY SUCH IN THE WORLD
Simon Wiesenthal is recognized as one of the PREMIERE NAZI HUNTERS IN THE WORLD. He is recognized around the world as reputable.

<> PREMIERE ANTI-FASCIST & CONSPIRACY RESEARCHER IN THE WORLD
Dave Emory is one of THE PREMIERE ANTI-FASCIST & CONSPIRACY RESEARCHERS IN THE WORLD, broadcasting for over 30 years, he has a photographic memory and is perhaps the most knowledgeable conspiracy theorist in the world. He has researched and interviewed on the air the major authorities on the WO & NWO. Just the exhaustive summaries of his radio programs are the equivalent of several books. He is a reputable intelligence watchdog and whistleblower. His investigative journalism is unrivaled in the world.

<> EDITOR & PUBLISHER OF MAGAZINE DEDICATED TO ELIMINATING CIA & FBI
Lou Wolf’s Covert Action Quarterly was the ONLY MAGAZINE IN THE WORLD for 20 years DEDICATED TO GETTING RID OF THE CIA & FBI, and the ONLY publication that was an intelligence watchdog and whistleblower and TOTALLY documented.

<> Paul Manning was one of THE LEADING INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS IN THE WORLD, and COMMUNICATED WITH BORMANN.

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Thank you very much for your comment.

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The NAZIs were into the occult, they did posses awesome knowledge way way ahead of what we possess even today in the white world..

They used the exact same occultism as ancient orders because they understood what it meant and how it worked.

The Mayans had 2012 pegged thousands of years ago, as did tibetan mystics, as did the hopi and other Indians.

The NAZIs knew this and wove their own thoughts and wishes into a system where the occult motivated all and every thing that they did.

A 2012 NAZI revolution ? terrifying.

Originally posted by Dan Tanna
I spent the morning reading your thread.

It makes an alarming amount of sense, backed by reputable peoples and with a huge amount of data backing up what your saying..

2012 and the NWO are just NAZI re-emerging from hiding ? ...now that's something that scares the poop out of me.

It also explains why so many weird 'alternate' topics such as moon bases, antartic bases, man made UFO's, NASA being run by NAZIs are so ridiculed.

Thank you. Please also see my response at www.abovetopsecret.com...

The German bankers (& Illuminati dating back to the 1st Reich around 1200-1400 a.d. about 400 years later) founded the Bank of England which founded the Fed in 1913 which financed the Germans & Communists and Nazis, and after WWII the Nazis were absorbed into the CIA and did the bogus Cold War against the Soviets who defeated the Germans in WWI and WWII, and then went on to finance and train al Qaeda who did WTC/911 to benefit the oil companies that sponsored them

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I want to thank you again for the time you put in reading the post. And especially for your response.

You might also appreciate, "The Secret Treaty of Fort Hunt" www.abovetopsecret.com...

This book has Hitler’s flying saucers, both fixed wing and the plans for the circulating (frizbee) wing www.missilegate.com...


This has some flying wings & experimental aircraft www.burlingtonnews.net...

& www.avroarrow.org...
www.powells.com...

www.zephyrtechnology.com...


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Just finished reading all your information. Thank you for posting.

What you have brought forth has possibly confirmed some of the stories I've heard from my family concerning activities on the south east coast of Georgia during WW2.

Not only have I heard these stories but children of prominent families in the area have also heard them.

I did not believe German military officers were aided by local citizens. To think that anyone here could have supplied the Germans with fuel and food was unimaginable to me.

It was hard to comprehend a German submarine coming into our waterways and entering our town and also an island close by ( Jekyll Island).

My grandfather was German. He is said to have captured 2 Germans from a submarine on his property. They were not in uniform and spoke perfect English. Their mistake was speaking in German at times not realizing my Grandfather was fluent in the German language.

Thank you again for your posts. You have brought some validity to the old family stories I've heard.

[edit on 5-7-2008 by dizziedame]

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I appreciate it when people take a huge chunk of their own time and do what I feel is a 'show stopper ' thread.

People need to understand just how many very powerful people today are in their positions because of one simple thing : Alliegence to the NAZI ideal. It may not be their ideal, but it certainly was the ideal of their grandparents and parents.

The Bush connection never fails to stun me, even though I read it time and time again.

Just goes to show how secrets of a huge magnitude can be kept for generations.

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