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Originally posted by ArMaP
How do you know that they are not telling the truth? Have you any inside information directly from NASA to support your idea that they are not telling the truth about UFOs?
Originally posted by BlasteR
2- NASA is not telling the truth about UFO's in orbit even though the UFO reality is supported by countless photos, videos, and first hand accounts all made by NASA personnel.
How can you say that? What real evidence do you have that these are unknown spacecraft flying under intelligent control? They are unknown, just that.
5- That these UFO's are not space debris, ice, or otherwise anything other than an unknown spacecraft flying under intelligent control.
To know the acceleration we need to know the speed reached in any amount of time. We know the time, but to know the speed we must know the distance travelled, and to know that we must know the distance from the camera to the objects, and that we do not know because we do not know the size of the objects and we need to know one of those things to know the other, we cannot know the distance if we don't know the size and vice versa.
Sorry but a small magnetic force, or anything else man-made for that matter, cannot cause an object to instantaneously accelerate into a 14,000G maneuver in orbit.
Once more, that "Mach 245" idea is based on nothing.
2-Ice or space debris does not change trajectory or otherwise accelerate to mach 245 at the flip of a switch.
How can we know that they use encrypted communications for anything involving UFOs? Just because someone says so? Or did NASA announced it?
It also proves that NASA now uses an encrypted radio communications system for all discussion of anything involving UFO's in orbit.
careful analysis of the video shows that:
The distance from the Discovery to the Earth’s horizon is 2,757 kilometers
The UFO’s speed before accelerating into space is 87,000 kph (Mach 73)
Three seconds after the light flash, the UFO changes direction sharply and accelerates off into space at 340,000 kph (Mach 285) within 2.2 seconds
Such an acceleration would produce 14,000 g of force (1g is normal Earth gravity)
Originally posted by ArMaP
How do you know that they are not telling the truth? Have you any inside information directly from NASA to support your idea that they are not telling the truth about UFOs?
Not really, only if the other videos were made with the same camera (I don't know if this was the camera with the light enhancement device or a common camera) and is also focused on an object some 90 miles away.
Originally posted by Shades1035
If this was just debri or ice particles as some say, then logic suggest you would see the same kind of stuff in other nasa videos?
Originally posted by ArMaP
Well, I would prefer to keep on discussing this in just one thread, I have already posted in three different threads about this and I would not like to have a fourth.
The problem I have with that is that ex-employees are not the most trustworthy type of witness, I have seen some examples of that in the (small) company where I work.
Originally posted by BlasteR
There have been NASA personnel who have come forward and admitted that NASA airbrushes out anomalous objects in photographs.
I only have seen signs of image manipulation on two photos, and in both cases nothing of the Moon (the subject of the photo) had been altered.
Airbrushing of some kind is apparent in several different photographs NASA, itself, has released.
Once more, how do we know if they have an encrypted radio link for discussing these things? Did NASA itself announced that? Or was it someone else? Or is this just a rumour?
We have radio communications of astronauts in orbit referring to these objects as "Unidentified flying objects" and "alien spacecraft", we now have an encrypted radio communications link with ground control for discussion about these unknown craft.
I confess that I never gave any attention to that case, but once more we have someone that commited a crime and may be using that as a way of getting people on his side.
you also have a computer hacker, who came public, who supposedly hacked into NASA computers and has seen with his own eyes airbrushing taking place.
Did you noticed that they do not say what is the distance between the shuttle and the UFO? All the calculations about speed and acceleration (that I think I not correct, but I am a bit confused about the formulas I should use) are connected to the distance to the UFO.
From this link there is a little bit of background on this:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
careful analysis of the video shows that:
The distance from the Discovery to the Earth’s horizon is 2,757 kilometers
The UFO’s speed before accelerating into space is 87,000 kph (Mach 73)
Three seconds after the light flash, the UFO changes direction sharply and accelerates off into space at 340,000 kph (Mach 285) within 2.2 seconds
Such an acceleration would produce 14,000 g of force (1g is normal Earth gravity)
The problem is that the calculations are not real calculations, just by looking at the video nobody can say what was the size and the distance of the UFO. Those "calculations" are just suppositions based on an arbitrary value attibuted to the size or the distance of the object, probably the distance.
These calculations may not be exactly accurate and, in all likelihood, are probably not.
Once again, that depends on the distance, if this was really some small object near the shuttle then the flash could be really just the firing of one of the thrusters.
Then you also include the fact that something/somewhere/for some reason was firing some kind of high-speed projectiles at this object from the ground and you have an extremely convincing piece of footage (This is with this one case).
Originally posted by ArMaP
PS: the sentence "Such an acceleration would produce 14,000 g of force" is wrong, "g" is a way of comparing acceleration, not force.
SUBJECT: UFO's and the Shuttle FILE: UFO45 PART
I am posting the following file that I received from James Oberg, a well-known writer on the space program. He is discussing the same videotaped footage from NASA's STS-48 mission that has been endlessly shown as a supposed "UFO." Richard Hoagland, a major promoter of the "Face On Mars," claims that NASA cameras accidentally caught a secret "star wars test". Here is Oberg's rebuttal.
James Oberg, Rt 2 Box 350, Dickinson, TX 77539
Re: Did STS-48 view a "Star Wars" test?
The STS-48 mission was the 43rd shuttle launch, the 13th flight
of OV-103 Discovery, with the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS). The crew was John Creighton, Ken Reightler, Jim Buchli, Mark Brown, and Sam Gemar. It was launched from KSC Pad A at 2311GMT Sep 12, 1991 (twilight),landed at EAFB on Sep 18, 0738GMT ght), duration 5d08h27m. The orbit was inclined 57 degrees to
the equator at an altitude of about 570 km, second only to the 616 km altitude of the Hubble deploy mission a year and a half earlier. Due to radar experiments with the deployed UARS satellite, I was present in the control room for two planning shifts (my job was as "Guidance and Procedures Officer" for actions related to orbital rendezvous, such as the planned checkout of the radar which had shown performance anomalies on several earlier missions).
I have reviewed the videotape by Richard Hoagland alleging that the notorious STS-48 videotape shows a "Star Wars" weapons test against a target drone with astounding propulsion. In my judgment, the facts, analysis, and conclusions presented by Mr. Hoagland are entirely wrong.
Is the object really very far away? Hoagland's argument depends on proving that the object is at or beyond the physical horizon, "1713 miles away". Proving this depends on optical analysis of the image and of its motion. All of Hoagland's analysis is invalid. First, Hoagland alleges that the videotape shows the object suddenly appearing at the edge of the Earth, as if it had popped up from behind the horizon. But a more cautious viewing of the tape shows this is not accurate. The object does NOT rise from "behind the horizon". It appears (arguably, it becomes sunlit) at a point below the physical horizon, just slightly below, to be sure, but measurably below the edge of the Earth (the "limb").
On January 23, 1980, CAUS (citizens against UFO secrecy) filed a freedom of information lawsuit against the NSA (national security agency) for the release of UFO related documents. The lawsuit was dismissed, but the NSA had to admit that it had such documents in its possession - first 79, then 135, then 239. In a top-secret affidavit (for which the judge himself had to obtain a temporary top-secret clearance), NSA representative Eugene F. Yeates told the court that the release of this material would seriously compromise the national security of the United States. Two years later, CAUS asked for, and obtained, copies of the court records. Of the 21 pages of the NSA affidavit, 14 were completely blacked out. It was also learned at that time that the affidavit was classified top secret umbra, which is the highest level of classification for SIGINT (signals intelligence) documents.
Cases like this don't prove that UFOs are of extraterrestrial origin, but they prove that agencies of the US government know more than they let on, and that they are lying when they claim that they have no interest in UFOs. (to be continued)
Yes, but if you notice the person speaking is not the one who did the airbrushing, she said someone else said that other people would airbrush what she thought was a UFO.
Originally posted by BlasteR
This video from youtube talks a little about the airbrushing:
That link does not work, at least for me.
This is apparently a different well-established ex-NASA employee talking about airbrushing on a radio show (this is the transcript):
www.fortunecity.com...
This is part of the video I think shows two different things, both different from the ones on the tether incident and the one that was supposedly the target of a gun shooting from Earth.
This footage, below, is also from STS-48 although it is unknown what the objects are that are whizzing by. STS-48 launched on September 12, 1991 and we know that there were no major meteor showers occuring in the timeframe STS-48 was in orbit.
That guy has a strange look and he has an expressionless face. It may be the result of some medical condition, but I think that it may be more related to psychology than to neurology...
This is the video of the hacker I was talking about earlier who hacked into NASA and DOD computers:
I don't know if you were talking about this particular text you posted as an external source, but if you were then what it says is NSA, not NASA.
ALSO.. from www.webpan.com...
This part goes to show that NASA really does withhold information from the public regarding UFO's...
Originally posted by BlasteR
Basically he sais exactly what you said and more. The strange part is that if this really is something completely normal, as NASA claims, then why the projectile/unknown object flying onto the screen and the other object conducting maneuvers to avoid being hit? The nasa explanation doesn't really talk about that aspect of the video. I am not an expert on this video but I haven't really heard any rebuttal that makes sense until I read the NASA rebuttal. The fact is that noone really knows how far the UFO-in-question was to the actual camera at the time.
Originally posted by BlasteR
FROM: www.ufos-aliens.co.uk...
These frames of moon video were supposedly captured during 2 completely different apollo missions which landed hundreds of miles apart from one another yet the mountains are EXACTLY the same. How is that possible? The guy goes on to explain that in some cases the camera pans over to the same area the lander was previously yet the lander isn't even there anymore? Not really sure about that because I haven't seen any of this before but it does make you scratch your head lol.
Originally posted by 987931
Originally posted by BlasteR
FROM: www.ufos-aliens.co.uk...
These frames of moon video were supposedly captured during 2 completely different apollo missions which landed hundreds of miles apart from one another yet the mountains are EXACTLY the same. How is that possible? The guy goes on to explain that in some cases the camera pans over to the same area the lander was previously yet the lander isn't even there anymore? Not really sure about that because I haven't seen any of this before but it does make you scratch your head lol.
If they really are supposed to be hundreds of miles apart arouse extreme suspicion (or signal incredible incompetence). Is there verification of a claim they are from two different missions far apart?