Jesus the Magician?, page 2
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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 05:12 PM by sumperson
Whats up everybody, great thread darcon...but I actually started this exact same discussion a while back. Here take a look, its called
Was Jesus a Magician? almost identical

Was Jesus a Magician?

There's some pretty weird ideas in there man......

(Jesus pulls a rabbit out of a hat) Good Stuff
Fox could come up with a great show.... something like
MAIN EVENT: STEEL CAGE MATCH TO THE DEATH
JESUS CHRIST VS. DAVID BLAINE VS. CRIS ANGEL


reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 05:20 PM by darcon
reply to post by sumperson



Hey man, sorry, did not know there was another thread like this. Everyone should post there from now on, and if a mod roles by, shut this thread down.



reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 06:21 PM by darcon
reply to post by Stanley Mimix



Much of the bible is distorted, he may or may not have done those things.


reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 06:43 PM by Myrdyn
'Magician' and 'Illusionist' conjour the image of an entertainer. If we are to believe the stories of Jesus, I don't suppose anyone would consider that his primary role.

Jesus became prominent because of his accomplishments, not the other way round. He was a well travelled man. We know he spent much of his childhood in Egypt. It has been suggested he travelled to India and Tibet too. He may well have travelled through Iraq where the Sumerians established the first great sophisticated civilisation on Earth. He will have learned much on his travels that would easily impress, astonish and amaze the primative folk of Galilee at the time.

'Walking on Water' for example could easily be explained if you wanted to do a little research
www.theregister.co.uk...
It's also worth noting that Jesus wasn't the only one who walked on the water en.wikipedia.org... This would demonstrate a little initiative, nothing more.

I could just imagine one of the Vatican's secret Gospels describing how Jesus covered the Sun with darkness, turning day into night. Edited out of the Bible by Constantine because knowledge of astronomy had already caught up with that one.

Imagine Jesus' frustration at his followers yelling 'Miracle!' every time he did something clever or out of the ordinary. He may well have used the occasional alternative cure or scientific trick to help someone, illustrate a point or to solve a problem.. Why not? He was on a mission.

I'm not a religious person, but with regard to the story of Jesus, what impresses me most and what I carry with me personally, is the simplicity of his love, wisdom and kindness. In my opinion, the conjuring tricks are irrelevant.



[edit on 24/3/08 by Myrdyn]


reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 07:20 PM by darcon
reply to post by Myrdyn



Thanks for the opinion

(Sorry for the one liner)

[edit on 24-3-2008 by darcon]


reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 07:24 PM by Techsnow
reply to post by darcon



Darcon, you don't have to thank everyone for their opinion.

Come on mods... one liners anyone??



reply posted on 25-3-2008 @ 09:01 AM by trustnobody
reply to post by darcon



Jesus as in a stage magician, I highly doubt it. Jesus didn't have access to the technology that is available to Chris angel. Also folks back then where more concerned with everyday survival than parlor tricks.

Now as in Magician in the sense of sorcery that is most definitely a possibility. He wasn’t that far from Egypt where he may have learned few conjurations and stuff.

Peace
Trustnobody


reply posted on 25-3-2008 @ 09:06 AM by darcon
reply to post by trustnobody



That is true, Jesus's time frame varies from angels, in the sense of having the tech to fool somebody.


reply posted on 25-3-2008 @ 09:17 AM by trustnobody
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The walking on water trick, I think Chris uses clear bocks floating in the water that can't be seen, and he walks on them. If you watch his steps are slow and deliberate. As if he is stepping on something you can't see.

Peace
Trustnobody


reply posted on 25-3-2008 @ 10:18 AM by darcon
reply to post by InSpiteOf



If you would of read one of my posts, it said this is thread is about Opinions, not a Scientific Analysis.

Of course their is no real evidence to support if Jesus was a magician/Illusionist.


reply posted on 25-3-2008 @ 10:26 AM by Quazga
reply to post by darcon



Actually, Jesus himself said that others would come and do the same stuff he did.

Also at the time many people were performing miracles. The miracles, whether through some sort of psychic understanding or mere trick were not the point, only the marketing.

So it really doesn't matter. I for one believe the man to be an amazing humanist and intellectual. The fact that he performed miracles doesn't really phase me, but I know it phases those who need some sort of "PROOF". Usually those are the ones who don't have the ability to see the logic in his words.

In summary... beware anyone who claims his works were real beyond the shadow of a doubt, because that is not what matters in the Gospel. What matters is everything he pointed out about self and society.


reply posted on 25-3-2008 @ 10:27 AM by darcon
reply to post by Choronzon



Yes, tv is a sham, that's why i have no cable

People sound so freaked out when i tell them that, but i do not have to hear all those bull commercials, and oh my, do not get me started with the elections


reply posted on 25-3-2008 @ 10:38 AM by Quazga
Originally posted by darcon
reply to
post by Choronzon



Yes, tv is a sham, that's why i have no cable

People sound so freaked out when i tell them that, but i do not have to hear all those bull commercials, and oh my, do not get me started with the elections


All you need is TIVO. Tivo removes commercials... it's grand.
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