Jesus the Magician?

This is for Trustnobody....

While the OP's intent may not be crystal clear, you may have misinterpreted the content of the thread. The above quote appears to be much more than a magic vs illusion discussion.

reply to post by Quazga

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What are your thoughts on angel then?

reply to post by darcon

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Not only did i read your openning post, and the posts that followed it, i quoted it in my response.

I didnt offer anything scientific in my response, only evidence that Others and Myself have gathered in the Criss Angel Discussion thread over its 200 + pages. They are observations and not the result of scientific analysis.

But seeing as you brought up the fac that this thread is about opinion, would you not consider scientific opinion? Or do you have something against scientific exploration?


Further more, it has been asked to present this question to you by another member:

So, how did you become familiar with Chris Angel? And more importantly, since the only place I've seen him perform is on TV....wouldn't that also make him a "sham"? Or is some TV not a sham?

And how does the Internet compare to the TV and programming?

Credits for that go to MrPenny

Angel? Oh I don't really care one way or another. He doesn't really appear to have any real message to speak of.

reply to post by InSpiteOf

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I would say the internet is way more free then tv. I have watched much of his stuff on Youtube. His best tricks are there. I also used to have television about a year ago.

My bad, I should have paid better attention to the original post. Sorry about that.

Thanks
Trustnobody

reply to post by InSpiteOf

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Most of what is on Television is a sham. Like commercials and such. Most of the media is bull. But there is some interesting stuff to see. Some of what is on television is not a sham, but most is.

[edit on 25-3-2008 by darcon]

Yes, but most of what we think is true is also a sham.

Rumi said it best. He said that Scriptures are like soap. Soap is nothing but grease and grime etc. However Soap is the dirt that we buy to remove the dirt that we don't want, but alas the scriptures (and anything else we hold with reverence) is still just dirt.

reply to post by darcon

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thanks for the quick reply but I think you missed the main part of the question posed by MrPenny




Although Angel has stuff on the Internet, it is without his authorization, I believe. Making TV the sole meduim for his artwork.

Edit: you answered the question in a general manner, so I will attempt to be more direct without being confrontational.

If most of what is on TV is a sham, and Angel is on TV. Does not your logic dictate that Angel is a sham?

If not, where do you draw the line; what are the determinning factors?

[edit on 25-3-2008 by InSpiteOf]

reply to post by darcon

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But what about his "tricks" ( love your choice of words ), he performs on TV? Does the medium that you refer to as a "sham" diminish their quality?

And, if all or some of the TV's programming is a sham....doesn't it follow that some of the Internet's content is a sham? It's often one and the same. The delivery method is different, but watching a video on YouTube, perception and experience wise, is no different than seeing it on a television screen.

Whether viewed on a computer monitor via the Internet, or on a television via a cable broadcast....the "tricks" are still produced, directed, and staged the same way.

Huh, imagine what Jesus Christ would be like today with something like a Pixar studios......nobody would buy it, be all, "fake"...."fake".....



[edit on 25-3-2008 by MrPenny]

Personally, I think Jesus was misrepresented.
A lot of the Bible has had bits added, removed, 'tweaked'. How much of the Gospel is Gospel anymore is anyones guess, or belief

The Lord working in mysterious ways

reply to post by InSpiteOf

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You know, it is hard to draw where the line is. You know it and i know it. Sometime you just never no. You know my opinion on Criss, as i know yours. I think perhaps you just have to trust your intuition, i know it is not saying much, but there is much bologna on t.v.

reply to post by Mark Roazhar

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I to believe much of what the bible was, has been changed over the years, and many things have been taking out by the church.

Yea. Everyone knows Jesus used camera tricks and paid off actors too. The whole walking on water thing? Pause at 3:15 in, you can totally see the wires. Fraud!