Homosexuality...What's wrong with it?

Just a note, This topic is about love not sex.

Alright, I've been thinking about this for awhile now.
And I have a question, How is being in love with someone of the same sex un-natural? Is love not natural? Does love have boundries?

A question for religous people, Love comes from God right? and hate comes from the Devil right?

So how could 2 people of the same sex that are in love with eachother, and want to spend the rest of their lives together be so evil?

Also I would like to add my $0.02

In my opinion love is blind, and I don't think we choose who we are going to be attracted to and eventually fall in love with, It's something that just happens most of the time. If it happens to be someone of the same sex, then I say go for it, and live a long life full of happiness. Their is nothing wrong with being with the person you love the most.

this actually came up the other day in a conversation over dinner. a couple people got offended, but whatever.

my take on it is this: there is nothing inherently wrong with it in my opinion, however the discussion and emphasis of homosexuality is wrong. Let me explain:

Whether it's a character on a television show (both kids and adult now), or a person in real life - if they actually declare themselves as gay, or homosexual, it is offensive, unless being discussed in a bar, or sex club, or privacy of some other place.

For example: if you are just hanging out with friends, and are introduced to someone for the first time, and then either they - or someone else introduces them(selves) as gay/homosexual, it's like whenever I meet someone for the first time, or even after I've known them for a little while - and just declare out of nowhere "By the way, I really enjoy having sex with women. really, I like [snip]
Now, there aren't very many times that's appropriate to declare - and I don't consider myself prude or conservative. I hope I'm not coming across that way, but I'm trying to make the point clear.

Being homosexual isn't any different than heterosexual, except for the obvious. The difference is that by declaring / proclaiming yourself as homosexual, you are, by definition and by namesake - declaring your sexual preferences. So whenever someone says "Oh, I/they am/are gay...," I just follow up with "[snip]
Technically, it's the same - but but saying "straight" doesn't have the same effect as saying "gay," so more detail is needed to match the definition.


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[edit on 22-3-2008 by elevatedone]

There is nothing wrong with loving someone for who they are, regardless of gender. Many animals have shown homosexual behavior such as chinstrap penguins, and even after introducing female penguins they still stayed with the male partner.

But, I also do believe it is no different then an animal being born with a slight genetic difference. Sadly, most geneticly different animals end up not surviving or cannot reproduce in order to keep the species thriving as a whole. If a group of humans in the past had been homosexual, that would ensure the death of their kind. Not including surrogate mothers and such, homosexuals are unable to pass on their genes by male to male interactions. That to me makes it seem like it goes against what nature intended. I will not spout any christian propaganda because I believe it to be immoral to try to dictate to others how they should lead their personal lives, but from a evolutionary standpoint, it goes against the survival of their kind..

A person who is Christian has a very difficult time overcoming the prejudice surrounding the gay issue.

Putting aside the fact that the Bible does speak against homosexuality (and it does), there is a high mortality rate amongst the gay population. I know because I work a lot with them in counseling and sponsoring. Yes, there are many gay monogamous couples but not at all in comparison to heterosexuals. Even with the high divorce rate. And the fact that if the human population depended on them - humanity would disappear within a couple of generations. So we can see how the Creator did not figure them into his plans initially.

Ok, other side of the issue: how many grew up thinking they wanted to be homosexual? Of all the ones I have met, and it is many, most wished that they were not homosexual at some point in their life! It is very hard for all of them because it would be natural for them to feel outcast and different, a going against the tide, so to speak. Many leave off God because they feel he is not accepting of them (the Bible told them so). That is the sad part!

Although a gay person might not appreciate this analogy; a person does not wake up and say, "I want to be an alcoholic when I grow up!" The same can be said of a gay person. So as a person dealing in something that sets them apart from the majority, this person can learn to work with it. Unfortunately, many turn to sexual addiction. It is not just a matter of loving one person as you said, but having multiple partners a night, "Hot Johns," pornography, etc, etc.

I know many though, who have made peace with God and are now spiritual persons and seem to have an abundantly spiritual life and one that is monogamous. But there is a price... intolerance from the outside world even though homosexuality may not at all be of their choosing.

If we went by the Bible with no addendum to it, then the homosexual would be in dire straits according to it. It is my belief that if God wants perfect people - he is out of luck! I think he takes all into consideration and that includes homosexuality. Also, Jah gave over 600 laws to the Jews coming out of Egypt. He knew that they would not be able to obey them all, but mankind wanted them, so he gave them an insurmountable mountain to climb, of which no man has been able to do. Does God really expect it? Or is it man and religion that expects the impossible?

I mentioned an addendum to the Bible, perhaps that is exactly what he is working on right now and this could be part of it! Where does love come in?

Originally posted by scientist
"By the way, I really enjoy having sex with women. really, I like having [snip]

Thanks, for making my day scientist. I always enjoy your logic & humor.

I must say scientist hit the nail on the head again. Sometimes some things are better left unsaid.

Everybody loves, but spare us the details just so you can have us validate your behavior.


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[edit on 22-3-2008 by elevatedone]

imo, homosexuality isin't right because while the boy or girl was forming in the womb, something went wrong. think of a blind person. that person was SUPPOSED to be able to see..but something got screwed up along the way while the person was developing. the normal process of the development stage didn't work out right.

also, i'm sure yall have ran into that one little crazy ass bum on the streets who talks to himself. why does he talk to himself? cause he ain't right..something is lacking there. the same could be said for homosexuals imo.

Originally posted by LordInfamous
imo, homosexuality isin't right because while the boy or girl was forming in the womb, something went wrong. think of a blind person. that person was SUPPOSED to be able to see..but something got screwed up along the way while the person was developing. the normal process of the development stage didn't work out right.

also, i'm sure yall have ran into that one little crazy ass bum on the streets who talks to himself. why does he talk to himself? cause he ain't right..something is lacking there. the same could be said for homosexuals imo.

Those are terrible comparisons.
Being blind is a disability, being homosexual isn't.
Do homosexuals get handicap parking, or a check in the mail every month for disability? no.

Their is also a huge difference between being homosexual and being mentally insane.

Thanks.

*double post*

Sorry.

[edit on 3/23/2008 by Uniceft17]

Actually his comparison is a really valid one. being homosexual is a disability in so far as you are disabled from prodcing children as a result of these relationships. We all know that in terms of human physiology that it is wrong this ismt a statement over the morality of such actions as that is purely a human standard applied to the situation, but to say that it is a good and natural way to be would be incorrect as it goes against the survival of the species. Now my personal view on it is that these people are this way for a reason that in the long run benefits the species as a whole by them being excluded from the gene pool.

Originally posted by LordInfamous
imo, homosexuality isin't right because while the boy or girl was forming in the womb, something went wrong. think of a blind person. that person was SUPPOSED to be able to see..but something got screwed up along the way while the person was developing. the normal process of the development stage didn't work out right.

also, i'm sure yall have ran into that one little crazy ass bum on the streets who talks to himself. why does he talk to himself? cause he ain't right..something is lacking there. the same could be said for homosexuals imo.

Would someone who's unable to read, write or spell at the level of an adult be considered disabled too?

What do you mean? There's nothing wrong with it. Even straight people are trying it:

(work safe)

Birds do it, bees do it, even educated fleas do it.

I just wonder what Kirk Douglas was thinking.


[edit on 23-3-2008 by Badge01]

Originally posted by jokei

Originally posted by LordInfamous
imo, homosexuality isin't right because while the boy or girl was forming in the womb, something went wrong. think of a blind person. that person was SUPPOSED to be able to see..but something got screwed up along the way while the person was developing. the normal process of the development stage didn't work out right.

also, i'm sure yall have ran into that one little crazy ass bum on the streets who talks to himself. why does he talk to himself? cause he ain't right..something is lacking there. the same could be said for homosexuals imo.

Would someone who's unable to read, write or spell at the level of an adult be considered disabled too?

in a way...

Originally posted by Jovi1
Actually his comparison is a really valid one. being homosexual is a disability in so far as you are disabled from prodcing children as a result of these relationships. We all know that in terms of human physiology that it is wrong this ismt a statement over the morality of such actions as that is purely a human standard applied to the situation, but to say that it is a good and natural way to be would be incorrect as it goes against the survival of the species. Now my personal view on it is that these people are this way for a reason that in the long run benefits the species as a whole by them being excluded from the gene pool.

Disabled from producing children? I have never heard of that one, I know alot of homosexuals including myself that have had children.

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It really is a matter of what you or the gay individual wants to do. Your conscience is going to let you know what feels right for you regardless of what anyone says or even the Bible. But...make a decision and then accept the consequences.

For every choice there is a consequence. "But hey," you may say, "I don't feel that I have a choice. Why am I this way if there is something evil about it?" "I feel that God made me this way, and why, if it's not his will?"

Being homosexual is not evil! Nowhere does it say in the Bible (I guess it would depend on the version one is reading) that it is. But the gay individual has to make peace with God. Or choose to be celibate if one is Christian. If that is the case, I know many Christians who are homosexual but choose to not act on it.

The choice is yours or the person you are referring to. You may feel that you did not have a choice in being homosexual, but where the choice comes in is; in the decision as to whether you choose to act on it, or not. But I hear a crisis of conscience in your post. Whatever your decision, try to not let Jah out of the picture.

reply to post by Uniceft17


According to the laws of nature, a homosexual cannot reproduce with another homosexual without the aid of medical science. Hence, if a land was populated by only one sex without the aid of a vagina or sperm, then regardless of sexual orientation the human species would die off. In a homosexual's case that would happen anyway.

And also, if a gay person chose to use medical science or adoption to have a family there is no guarantee that they can reproduce "their kind." Perhaps through environment they can sway a child to go homosexual if it is encouraged. Studies have shown that the environment a child grows up in can determine many, many things and can override some natural tendencies.

Homosexuality is considered a "weak link" in the evolutionary chain. I am not saying that - that is a bad thing. According to a scientist I know, he feels this is mother natures way of limiting over population on the earth!

Here's an interesting movie that touches upon both 1950s racism but also sexuality.

Far From Heaven



It was nominated for 4 Oscars and got another 73 wins & 32 nominations from various film societies. Julianne Moore was nominated (2003) for the Oscar in the category of Best Actress in a Leading Role.

Though the 'villain' in the movie could be thought of as also a victim, the portrayal and the script changes the viewer's perspectives on both of those bias.

The real reason the person was a villain was not due to their sexuality, but the way they betrayed and abused those around them

Not only is the film full of symbolism, the cinematography and the musical score is top notch.

However, prepared to be moved and even disturbed a little.

One thing I liked about it was the great job they did with the sets and costumes and backgrounds making one feel they were in the 1950s.



Haha, ok, and the fact the Julianne Moore is in it. One of our great actresses, right up there with Michelle Pfeiffer and others or her era. (Meryl Streep being in a class by herself).

Anyway, this movie shows that the problem is not always with the morays, or the gender/sex issues, but with the way society reacts and the way individuals react in turn.

Will it change the way you feel about the issues in this topic? Perhaps.

2 cents.

Originally posted by Jovi1
Actually his comparison is a really valid one. being homosexual is a disability in so far as you are disabled from prodcing children as a result of these relationships. We all know that in terms of human physiology that it is wrong this ismt a statement over the morality of such actions as that is purely a human standard applied to the situation, but to say that it is a good and natural way to be would be incorrect as it goes against the survival of the species. Now my personal view on it is that these people are this way for a reason that in the long run benefits the species as a whole by them being excluded from the gene pool.

exactly. bravo guy..

Homosexuals are gay......

Aside from that, there's nothing wrong with being gay at all.

Love wise, there is nothing wrong with it. But there are two things about it, I think at least, most people don't like about it.

1) it's equal to heterosexuality. Love wise, yes it is, but it is not by any other standards. To most Americans, we don't think homosexual marriage is equal because they can't produce children. And being that we need more people for more workers in the future, we don't like looking at it equally.

2) it's over broadcasted. Most people don't like sexual parades such as the gay parade, going down the streets. Love is special, and should not be brodcasted down the streets. It should remain at home, preferably in the bedroom. You most certainly don't see heterosexual parades. You're out, we get it, we still don't care.

Originally posted by Uniceft17
I know alot of homosexuals including myself that have had children.

...errr... How exactly is that physically possible?? You mean adopt? because their perfectly good parents as any, so long their moral and don't broadcast their sexuality onto their children. i'm sorry, neither hetero nor homo sexuals should EVER broadcast sexuality or express it to their children. It's just... eww. It's like showing pornographic images to a toddler. There's just something that shouldn't be. Their fine parents all the same though.