obama's wife hated american until now?WTF

reply to post by FlyersFan

Yep. Sure did.

IF she were sincere? IF? So now she isn't sincere?
OF COURSE she was saying that she was ashamed of America.
The opposite of being proud is being ashamed.
She ment exactly what she said.

Funny, I'm inclined to lean in the opposite direction that you did NOT thoroughly read the posts judging by your answers here. You missed what I said earlier, so don't make it sound as if I'm trying to change the argument.

Obama can't help what the man said. HOWEVER, Obama either showed extremely poor judgement being cozy with the man OR Obama believed exactly what he spewed. (I believe both - bad judgement AND prejudice)

Seriously? I mean seriously? 23 years, sooooo, let's see here...

I guess that would have made him 23 years old. Yes, let's attack his judgement of him having this man in his life starting from 23 years ago. Well, if that doesn't make sense, I don't know what does. 'Obama, you were foolish to get to know this guy 23 years ago! You have bad judgement!' There we go.

Too little, too late.

Hold on, it doesn't work like this. You can't just ignore Obama's contributions because of what one man said, and then when Obama publicly denounces it, say 'too little too late'. A little biased are we?

I just hope to God that most of America doesn't agree with you

You're right. America would be MUCH better off with a perpetual war, torturing people, or a woman who has shown she will lie AND cheat to get her way, PLUS much, much more.

You want him? That's your right. But ya'll really can't put forth that Hillary and McCain are liars and that Obama isn't. Obama certainly is just like they rest of them

I've never said Obama isn't. It seems to be a popular trend nowadays, that when someone argues AGAINST Obama, they just focus on the point of him not being PERFECT; all the while, forgetting to state why he's worse than the other 2 alternatives. Bravo. Bravo. You showed that Obama is not a perfect Godsend. Who would've known?

Oh yeah, he's human, and a politician.

[edit on 3/18/2008 by bigbert81]

Cyfre, Sy-gunson,

It sure is nice to finally get some help here. I swear I feel like I'm the only sane person on this forum anymore.

ESPECIALLY the only one here for Obama.

Thanks.

[edit on 3/18/2008 by bigbert81]

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I'm just trying to contribute with some insight, you know?

I just want to come out and say that Wright does seem to preach a lot of very anti-American ideas. Whether he actually believes it or not i won't comment on, although i will say the kind of things he has preached about have obviously caught fire. This brings publicity to his church and congregation, and money usually follows publicity. I think a lot of these preachers (any big time preachers, black, white, whatever) begin to believe their own useless rhetoric after years of doing it. That's what people start to expect, and before you know it, you're believing your own hype.

I don't like any of them to be honest, Obama, Hilly or McCain. But i'm not going to sit there and try to tell you that ANY of them are terrible people because of who they've been associated with. *I* have been associated with some pretty shady characters as well, and i've made those personal decisions to keep them in my life because of the few positive things they bring to the table.

Obama may not agree with some of the things Wright says, but i won't hold it against him. Just like i won't hold McCains relationship with a lobbyist against him, just like i don't hold Hillary's nefarious associations against her.

You have to put yourself in the shoes of a presidential candidate, trying to please all people at all times. I can't even please everyone in my life, and i'm appealing to MILLIONS fewer people than our candidates are.

I am not especially proud of America. I am, in many respects, ashamed of our history and our actions. I am disgusted with the populace, although I guess I can't really blame them for becoming complacent considering life has been fairly easy here for quite a long time. God forbid we make a judgment about people or hold anyone to account, government or individual.

Although I would never vote for that Socialist (to be kind) Obama, I kinda think it's about time we got at least someone in the public eye that was actually pissed off at the bed we've made for ourselves.

So she's not satisfied or has anger against America (which generally translates to the government, fyi, not your local Tom Dick or Harry), big deal.

I think more people should be. Hatred, like many things, is not always wrong and it's not always unjustified, unless you are a jingoist or blind.

[edit on 18-3-2008 by KrazyJethro]

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Socialist (to be kind) Obama

Hmmm, I've seen this a couple of times throughout the forum; people calling OBAMA the Socialist one, but no one ever cares to explain why they think that HE'S the Socialist of the group.

Please, do elaborate.

There are plenty of preachers on the right, who attack America. For example, Pat Robertson blamed America for causing 9-11, because of homosexuality and abortion. It is standard practice for the church to denounce everyone's sins.

I support a president, who can look at America with a critical eye. Bush has ignored many of America's greatest problems. The president should be around people, who will point out the problems with America. Just because, some go too far, or do so in harsh terms, should not prevent Obama from listening to them.

Obama's preacher only enunciates a view, that is shared by many African Americans. In representing these people, I believe it has been important for Obama to understand view, and work from it. I have had enough of politicians, who try to hide in morally vacuous, politically-correct vacuum.

This is a bit old news...

Never the less it is a telling sign of the type of person that Barrack Hussain Obama is.

His greatest streangh is that he is an unkown quanity... he has no wexperience, and because of no experience, you cannot point to where he has severly screwed up.


Now, we are getting to know those that he surrounds him self with... and the results have not been kind.

Months ago, ATS reveled the Truth of Barrack Huessain Obamas Church, Pastor, and spiritual advisor... even though tthe Major news media, and the American public had no idea who his pastor was, we did, and we knew what his pastor thought...

Now his pastor is public enemy #1... the Major Media outlets picked up his comments, and ran with them...

Rather then beat the dead horse on his pastor some more, cause i know anyone who knows anything is sick of that story already... lets talk of his wife...

Her statement is that of someone who is either mentely unstable, or an Egomaniac who only agrees with the current situation because the situation favors her now...

She means that she doesn't think America has done anything worthy, ever.. until; they started putting a black man in the election cycle.


I do not know that much about Obama.. but the more i learn of the people that he associates himself with... the less that i belive he can even be a good man.

Between his Pastor, and his wife, two people of whom he is most close too, you have an insight into the personality of BHO.

Both individuals seems to be Rabid Anti-american, and more then just on the fridge of racism... The chruch is particualy bad... and most likly will have its tex-exemption status revoked because of this fiasco...


This however, i don't feel is the end of his personality coming to light... the mans ties to the middles east have yet to be fully brought to the light...

... and when it does, this latest fiasco will only look like a musket shot, compared to the bomb that is looming in the future...

reply to post by TKainZero

Barrack Hussain Obama

Hmmm, I wonder what your post is about?

Anytime someone decides to throw his middle name in there, you KNOW it's going to be a crap slander job.

His greatest streangh is that he is an unkown quanity... he has no wexperience, and because of no experience, you cannot point to where he has severly screwed up.

Oh, I can see you've bought in to the media's bs as well. You DO realize that he has more legislative experience, and a longer time as an elected official in the Senate than Hillary.

But I guess none of that experience counts, right?

Barrack Huessain Obamas

Hmmm, needed to use the middle name again, huh? Like his middle name means he's going to follow in the footsteps of Saddam, right?

Her statement is that of someone who is either mentely unstable, or an Egomaniac

You've got to be kidding me. Mentally unstable or an egomaniac? C'mon now. Where did you get THIS from? Did you read the above posts as well?

She means that she doesn't think America has done anything worthy, ever.. until; they started putting a black man in the election cycle

Once again, you are being FAR to over-analytical.

This however, i don't feel is the end of his personality coming to light... the mans ties to the middles east have yet to be fully brought to the light...

AAAAANNNNNDDD there it is. I KNEW some ridiculous comment like this was coming after seeing his middle name typed out twice.

And yes, it IS ridiculous and not based on ANYTHING.

I think Obama explained his complicated relationship with a pastor who has controversial views in his speech today. While he hasn't agreed with everything Rev. Wright says, he has not disowned him either just because he's getting unfavorable attention. Who among us insists that everyone in our lives say only what we agree with or we will not associate with them? Obama has shown himself to be exceptionally mature in an arena that is often infantile.

As far as Michelle Obama's comments go, I take her to mean that she hasn't always been proud of everything America has done. I haven't been proud of everything America has done either and neither has anybody else I know. That doesn't mean any of us "hates" America.

To accuse everyone who criticizes this country, or would like to see changes for the better, of hatred is an overly simplistic view.

A little music... to set the mood

Barrack Huessain Al-li-dubi Obama...


If Hiliary Rodham Clinton is your bar for experience... well... not much i can do there...


You felt the need to make commments on most of my post, but failed to put any reasoning behind your thoughts... other then offering that Barrack Huessain Al-xi-Kari Obama has more experience then The Hildabeast...

Other then that little idea, you basicly just say over and over... 'Nah, i don't like the way hes typing... he cannot possibly be right...'


But hey, what ever... this is a site made to Express opinion...

You seem to be one of Barrack Huessain Ahmed Aubadi Muhammed Obama followers...


SO continue to supprot your man, and the ideas that he is spewing... if this is the retheric that you see as the furture of America, that is your choice...


So.. all i am going to say in closing is...

I am very happy that you think i am being "over-analytical"

Originally posted by bigbert81

Hmmm, I've seen this a couple of times throughout the forum; people calling OBAMA the Socialist one, but no one ever cares to explain why they think that HE'S the Socialist of the group.

Please, do elaborate.

I'll keep this quick for the moment since it's late for me and I have only a few minutes (but would be glad to go into more).

Obama, regardless of his anti-corporate rhetoric, generally trends more towards an increase in centralization of governmental power and their general power over States.

The fact that he is an "agent of change" simply points to his willingness to take moderate Socialism (what we have now), clean it up, and use the slough to add other features to the pot (universal health care is a good example).

Being a more responsible Socialist than the other two (and dare I say more staunch one as well), does nothing to mitigate him as such.

It wasn't an indictment, but rather simply my observation since we've been tending in that direction since FDR (to point out the most obvious re-alignment, ignoring Lincoln).

We seem to me like England, only 10 years behind or so, at least generally.

Originally posted by TKainZero


I am very happy that you think i am being "over-analytical"

As you should be. That's an overrated comment. I promise you you're not being over anything as far as analytical goes. So, you're hawt for that told guy McCain. I'm cool with that.

I think you secretly want that gay, traitor that can't raise him arms McCain to win. Then he can import all the Latin L-O-V-E-R Republicans secretly desire and give them AMNESTY to stay here and be you're husbands.

Right?

Or did you believe some other marketing from reality?

Originally posted by TKainZero

You seem to be one of Barrack Huessain Ahmed Aubadi Muhammed Obama followers...

And you seem to be a flaming homosexual if you support John McCain that wants to give amnesty to gay pedophile Mexicans.


Oh, and tax breaks to Paris Hilton!

I have to say that while TKain and I have always been pretty much on the opposite side of the issues, I've always had the utmost respect for him and what he has had to say. That being said, i will say the posts he has made in this thread seem a bit out of his character. Sorry if i'm mistaken, TKain. Good to see you around!

I think it's time for people to stop getting upset when people use Barack Hussein Obama's full name. I do realize that it has been a blatant attempt to discredit him without actually discredit him. Yes i know it is his true name and because of that people should be able to call him by his full name without suffering the backlash. I also realize that some conservatives have looked to use that middle name as leverage to insinuate that he has ties to the middle east.

These ties you speak of, TKain. What do you think they are? His father was kenyan which is in Africa, not the middle east. His father was muslim, this is true, but he is not. If you think Obama is a closet muslim, then i'd have to say kudos to him for sticking with a christian church for the last 23 years. Unless you're insinuating that the black christian church he belongs to is only a cover, and that they're all muslims in disguise. If that's the case, i simply don't buy it. There's not a good enough motivation for doing that for 23 years.

I think Barack Hussein Obama's experience (or lack thereof) should be analyzed and exploited. I think the connections he has to his church should also be exploited. I think every single issue in his life should be brought up and dissected. I also think that about the other two candidates in the race.

Obama isn't a socialist, as much as conservative talk radio would like to say. They do say it, they say it often and every chance they get. They want us to believe he is a "naked marxist," that he is some kind of mad genius who just needs to get into office so he can turn this country inside out.

I do agree with the somewhat frightening fact that his following seems to perceive him as the messiah, when he is only the catalyst. I think that when we get fanatical about anything, that's when things can go wrong. I don't think it's a good idea to support blind change without really knowing what kind of change he wants to bring. I think the time for vague references to hope and change should come to an end, but that's not going to happen unless his numbers start to slip.

Hillary is not going to catch Obama, and Obama will be up against McCain in the general. Obama supporters who want to cry over the use of his real name, however justified you may be (and you are), need to stop. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. You should learn to work with it rather than bitch and moan about it. It didn't get Ron Paul supporters very far to constantly talk about how there was media bias, etc. It just got our guy out of the race.

Originally posted by bigbert81
You missed what I said earlier,

No I didn't. I read it. But it was completely flawed.
Berti .. just because you say it, doesn't make it fact, ya' know?

'Obama, you were foolish to get to know this guy 23 years ago! You have bad judgement!'

He was foolish then .. and he's STILL foolish at almost 50 years old for hanging out with the guy and making him his mentor. You can't excuse him because he started the relationship in his early 20s. He's a grown up .. middle aged .. almost old enough for AARP. He should know better by now. Either he doesn't know better, or he believes the crap Wright spews. Eitherway ... that means he shouldn't be POTUS.

You can't just ignore Obama's contributions because of what one man said, and then when Obama publicly denounces it, say 'too little too late'.

1 - the man has a relative empty resume ... he doesn't have potential POTUS level 'contributions'.

2 - any 'contributions' he may have do NOT excuse him for his very close and long term association with anti-white/anti-American Wright (and all the racist pigs who were jumping up and down with glee whenever WRight spewed.

3 - YES I can say 'too little, too late' because that's exactly what it is. Obama wasn't going to do any denouncing of this guy and the ONLY reason he did was because the house fell down on top of him. Too little, too late. And his denouncement was completely unbelievable.

A little biased are we?

YOU certainly are!

I've never said Obama isn't.

Your post insinuated it. You called Hillary and McCain liars and said that we shouldn't vote for them because of it. I showed that Obama is also a liar. Thus, any arguement that he's better because Hillary and McCain are liars is a non-arguement. They ALL lie.

all the while, forgetting to state why he's worse than the other 2 alternatives.

Everyone has already shouted why. Many times. Your pro-obama biased-ness is getting in the way here berti.

- Obama is a proven liar - just like all politicians. Therefore he is NOT about 'change' or 'hope'. He's just another politican.

- Obama claims he's the candidate of 'unity' but he has been an active participant in an anti-american/anti-white church for 20 years. His spiritual advisor and personal mentor is a racist pig. Therefore Obama is NOT a candidate of 'unity'.

- Judicial Watch has him as one of the top ten most corrupt politicians in DC.

- Tony Rezko ... read up.

- An empty resume compared to Hillary and McCain. He has NO POTUS level experience.

- What he claims to want to do with America is financially impossible. He'd destroy what is left of this economy. Every economist says so. (not to mention the fact that what he wants goes deep into socialism - and we are NOT a socialist country)

- berti ... his wife is a racist and anti-american *****.

Bravo. Bravo. You showed that Obama is not a perfect Godsend. Who would've known?

wise-guy

Originally posted by The Cyfre
his following seems to perceive him as the messiah,

Yes. The messiah-filled language surrounding this guy is frightening.
It's not just his disciples, but Obama himself that uses the same language.

Yesterday I saw a speech by him and he said 'my hour is almost here'. EXACTLY the words Christ uses.

Also - there is THIS Look at the words Obama uses. (paraphrase) 'see the light and vote for me. You'll have an epiphany. Once you see me you won't be able to help yourself.'

Very frightening.



[edit on 3/19/2008 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by sy.gunson
Hates her country ? ...says you. Not Obama's wife.

Actually, I said she either hates it or is ashamed of it. That's the opposite of 'proud'. And that was HER words. So yes ... says Obama's wife.

because that's in sympathy with your bigotry.

Oh .. you are one of THOSE, eh?

The obamatrons loooooooove to claim that people who can see through Obama and his wife are anti-black. When the truth is that we have not been assimulated by the Obama-borg and we can see the truth of the situation.

you're entitled to your delusions.

Glass houses! I'm not deluded. But the Obamatrons certainly are. Their messiah-language with this guy is beyond frightening.

And I never said who I'm going to vote for. You assume too much.

And what about Bush's grip on reality ?

He's been losing that steadily .. year by year.
But this is a thread about MICHELLE OBAMA. Not Bush.
(btw - Bush 43 never really ran this country - Cheney did)

WMD in Iraq... yeah right.

Actually, it's well documented that there were WMD in Iraq.
Tens of thousands of dead Kurds ring a bell?
And, because Bush screwed up the war and let the enemy know we were coming, the enemy had almost a year to hide the WMD in Syria.

you love those Republican losers so enjoy.

gotta love it when people assume ... you know what they say about people who ASSume, don't you??

Come back and compare notes when America firmly rejects ignorant rednecks at the ballot box.

You mean in favor of anti-American/Anti-white bigots like the Obamas?

I am glad at least some can kind of grasp what i am saying about mrs.obama.

to be un proud is ashamed wich lead's to hatred 99% of the time.

look at rev.wright for example....hatred but at one time he was ashamed.
i could bet money on it.

In a way women need to speak up more.
Not taking hillary's side here..But She is the first woman running for president... and that meen's alot too.

But becouse of the anti-american anti-white hateing church obama goes too.
it's became all race. race race race.
And let's face it they get to pull the race card out every chance they get...
Hillary has no woman card lol...

Black people have been able to vote way before women.of any race.

Just saying hillary clinton is as important to american history for runing.
As obama is for being first black man to run.
for that i give them both respect for running.

But the racial bias that spew's from the obama's and there Obamalite's..is enough to make some sick to they stomach.

to sum up Obomalite's............................

Either your with us or your a biggot..racist....ignorant...or republican lover.

The white man has been holding us down blah blah blah.......

If any thing come's about that show's bad light on obama and his family....
Denouce them. i strongly disagree...
truth is simplistic that church has allway's been that way under rev wright.
the people standing in the pew's...patting rev wright on the back...going woooot wooooot GD america...AMEN lol gd and amen go togther in most church's lol
obamma has heard these speech's his kid's and his wife allso.
to say so otherwise is for lack of word's dumb.

otherwise these peopel in this church would have been apauled offended and shocked .
that there rev wright of 20= year's has lost control saying GD AMERICAN hillary never been called a Nword...ect...THEY HAVE HEARD THE SERMON BEFORE............it's not hard to understand.

ON MICHELLE OBAMA -

THIS was interesting.

She claimed that America will only have this one opportunity to vote for Barack. She absolutely said with this statement that he will NEVER run again for POTUS.

or will the obamatrons claim that this is just more example of her saying what she doesn't really mean?

Note to Michelle Obama - PROMISE? PROMISE that if we Americans reject him as POTUS that he will NEVER EVER run for the White House again?

Betchya if he doesn't get in the Oval Office then she'll go back to saying that she has never been proud of America in her life. Betchya.


[edit on 3/19/2008 by FlyersFan]

reply to post by TKainZero

Barrack Huessain Ahmed Aubadi Muhammed Obama

Where do you get your facts from?

And from whatever source, it's obviously bs, so I don't really think you have ANY ground to be debating this at all.